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Former PSU Walk-on QB Sean Sellinger fatally stabbed in Philly

Rittenhouse Square sounds like a place to avoid. Forever. I'll refrain from further comment.
 
Rittenhouse Square sounds like a place to avoid. Forever. I'll refrain from further comment.


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Rittenhouse Square sounds like a place to avoid. Forever. I'll refrain from further comment.

It’s actually a very upscale area. It’s pretty much the last spot in an urban area that something like this would happen

Larry Krasner is truly a disgusting human being. He was actively working on the side of the defendant
 
It’s actually a very upscale area. It’s pretty much the last spot in an urban area that something like this would happen

Larry Krasner is truly a disgusting human being. He was actively working on the side of the defendant

where hotel doormen get robbed at gun point, like 2 days ago. SMH.
 
But found guilty of tampering with evidence. People don't tamper with evidence unless they're worried about something else they've done. If he felt he didn't do anything wrong, why tamper with evidence??

How do people react after they just stabbed a guy? I personally don't know, but I know that people react all sorts of ways to stress and distress. The tampering was throwing the knife and then disposing of the clothes he wore. That, to me, doesn't seem out of bounds with a reaction someone may have if they just stabbed a guy in self-defense and was freaking out. But, then again, I've never been in that situation, so it's tough for me to say definitively.
 
I'd just like to imagine the reactions if the guy who did the stabbing was a white former walk-on PSU football player (maybe a kicker, so he didn't seem very opposing), and the guy who was stabbed was a black man (maybe some foul-mouthed rapper, or some such). And all other circumstances were the same.
 
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I'd just like to imagine the reactions if the guy who did the stabbing was a white former walk-on PSU football player (maybe a kicker, so he didn't seem very opposing), and the guy who was stabbed was a black man (maybe some foul-mouthed rapper, or some such). And all other circumstances were the same.

Why do you like to imagine stuff like that ?
 
I'd just like to imagine the reactions if the guy who did the stabbing was a white former walk-on PSU football player (maybe a kicker, so he didn't seem very opposing), and the guy who was stabbed was a black man (maybe some foul-mouthed rapper, or some such). And all other circumstances were the same.
Imagine a world where you were sane.
 
I'd just like to imagine the reactions if the guy who did the stabbing was a white former walk-on PSU football player (maybe a kicker, so he didn't seem very opposing), and the guy who was stabbed was a black man (maybe some foul-mouthed rapper, or some such). And all other circumstances were the same.

I knew Sean since he was 12 years old. I know his parents very well. Consequently I attended the opening day of the trial where a compilation of videos of the altercation was played for the jury including the stabbing.

We also saw the 7 inch machete that was used by the defendant to kill Sean.

in my view, an innocent person doesn’t rip the knife out of the victim and then run away.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t hide the murder weapon and lie about his cell phone.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t get out of his bloody clothes, shower and go to bed.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t require a proffer from the DA in order to turn over the bloody clothes and direct law enforcement to the hiding place of the murder weapon.

Sadly, this defense team made this about race when it wasn’t.

Not one witness heard Sean utter any racial epithets. No one, except the defendant.

Larry Krasner lost this case when he reduced the charges.

We know all too well just how poorly our system of justice works. This case was further amplification of the many failures therein.
 
He is not a violent person. Just sometimes he stabs and kills people.

Am I missing something here? Wasn't Sellinger very drunk and high on cocaine and already in an altercation with someone over a traffic stop? Didn't he attack a kid who told him he should chill and stop attacking the person in the car?
 
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Am I missing something here? Wasn't Sellinger very drunk and high on cocaine and already in an altercation with someone over a traffic stop? Didn't he attack a kid who told him he should chill and stop attacking the person in the car?

Simply because someone is drunk and/or high doesn't automatically mean it's okay to knife them. As for what happened during the incident, I guess we'd have to have heard the testimony.
 
Am I missing something here? Wasn't Sellinger very drunk and high on cocaine and already in an altercation with someone over a traffic stop? Didn't he attack a kid who told him he should chill and stop attacking the person in the car?

I'm not entirely familiar with the case ... just reading up on some things based on this thread popping up ... but that seems to be at least one version of the events. Other potential facts are that Sellinger has been in trouble with the law for violence in the past, and that the guys he was hanging out with are notorious "rabble-rousers."

So, this case doesn't seem like a slam dunk, at all. And I think it's silly to try to base whether or not you're going to send a man to jail for a prolonged period of time, based on speculation as to what an "innocent man" would do with the knife, or his clothes, after stabbing someone, and potentially killing them (which ended up being the case, obviously).
 
Am I missing something here? Wasn't Sellinger very drunk and high on cocaine and already in an altercation with someone over a traffic stop? Didn't he attack a kid who told him he should chill and stop attacking the person in the car?

That's what came out on the news coverage during the trial. The defense was able to portray Schellenger as intoxicated and high and basically a hothead. He got out to argue with a driver blocking their car and then got into an argument with White telling him to mind his own business. Furthermore, the clincher was the video that showed Schellenger lunging at White.

My lessons from this, if I see two people arguing in the street over a traffic issue, I'll stay out of that. If a guy is beating on a woman or child in the street that's one thing but I'm not interfering with arguing male strangers.

Two, alcohol + coke + testosterone makes for a hothead. Don't get hammered and start picking fights with strangers. You never know who has what.
 
I knew Sean since he was 12 years old. I know his parents very well. Consequently I attended the opening day of the trial where a compilation of videos of the altercation was played for the jury including the stabbing.

We also saw the 7 inch machete that was used by the defendant to kill Sean.

in my view, an innocent person doesn’t rip the knife out of the victim and then run away.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t hide the murder weapon and lie about his cell phone.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t get out of his bloody clothes, shower and go to bed.

In my view, an innocent person doesn’t require a proffer from the DA in order to turn over the bloody clothes and direct law enforcement to the hiding place of the murder weapon.

Sadly, this defense team made this about race when it wasn’t.

Not one witness heard Sean utter any racial epithets. No one, except the defendant.

Larry Krasner lost this case when he reduced the charges.

We know all too well just how poorly our system of justice works. This case was further amplification of the many failures therein.

Huh? Charges are typically reduced when there is a decent likelihood there isn't enough evidence to support a conviction of a greater offense. How would reducing the charges have hurt the prosecution's case?

You mention the racial epithet ... OK, imagine that one wasn't uttered. Now what? You still have a big, drunk and high guy who was trying to start stuff with another party, on top of you, pummeling you after you tried to stop him from fighting/arguing with someone else. You can't pull out a weapon in self defense?
 
A guy is punching me, so I pull my gun and shoot him dead.
In international conflict, there appears to be a standard of proportionality at play. Does that appear proportional to you.
I used to say “ I can’t believe this.”
 
A guy is punching me, so I pull my gun and shoot him dead.
In international conflict, there appears to be a standard of proportionality at play. Does that appear proportional to you.
I used to say “ I can’t believe this.”

Regardless of how I feel about the above situation, this argument is silly. If someone is punching me, and my only means of defending myself is to pull my gun and shoot him, I just might make that decision. How do I know when the punches will stop? Maybe those punches will eventually kill me (it's happened). So because I'm not armed with a proportional defense weapon, I'm to do nothing? That's just stupid.
 
one lesson ... do not get out of your car to get into it with other drivers. Just keep your eyes on the road. Be patient. There is nothing you can do to make the cars move faster.
 
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or improve the situation.

I told my wife when we moved back to Philly ... do not even look at the other drivers. Do not give them any chance of getting into it with you.

Unfortunately edgy coast cities have some number of people that are looking for trouble. Avoid!
 
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I told my wife when we moved back to Philly ... do not even look at the other drivers. Do not give them any chance of getting into it with you.

Unfortunately edgy coast cities have some number of people that are looking for trouble. Avoid!

It is interesting and I agree with you. Bmore and DC people just seem to be pissed off before they even get into their car.:rolleyes:
I see a huge difference when I drive in NM, AZ and even CA. I think the thing with CA drivers is they just know there is going to be lousy traffic and deal with it. They also don't seem to play the "lets not let the driver merge" game. :rolleyes:
 
I know nothing about this case, but who the hell carries a 7 inch machete around with them?
 
If you google knife law in Pa. you’ll see large knives are legal , but the police can get you on “ common lawful purpose “. This can be pretty arbitrary.


What does 'common lawful purpose' mean?

While the state's knife laws are easy to understand, there is one area that is up for debate. That is the part of the law referring to "common lawful purpose."

Pennsylvania law says that the knife must serve a "common lawful purpose." The phrase has been debated and refined thanks to court cases.

In 1975, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania took up the issue of "common lawful purpose" after David Gatto was arrested for having a 30-inch knife in downtown Scranton.

The court ruled in Commonwealth v. Gatto. that the knife was an implement for the infliction of bodily injury and served no common lawful purpose.

Judge William Cercone said in his opinion that: "Had appellant been on a journey through the tropical rain forests of South America, attempting to travel by foot from Bogota, Colombia to Caracas, Venezuela, it could then be reasonably concluded that a thirty-inch knife had a common lawful purpose; but, appellant was in a high crime urban area of Scranton, Pa. at 3:30 in the morning."
Defending yourself isn’t lawful? SMH
 
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It's a dangerous world the Dems are working towards.

Get a carry license and carry when in public. I recommend a Utah carry license as well as it is recognized in around 38 states. All the states except the communist ones which are pretty easy to avoid.
 
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