Franklin under pressure....

[tboyer]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

Yeah, if Rahne was on the sideline instead of the booth we'd be playing Bama on Monday.

 

[Paguy35]

I dont think he was implying that, he was implying that he thinks the leader of the offensive play calling should be on the field accessible to his players to be able to get their opinion. It definitely wouldn't hurt.

 

[canuckhal]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin

Huh? Just came off a 9-4 season and what should be a top 10 recruiting class. The only one who should be restless is that 2020 guy.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

Rahne seemed a very good QB coach. [EDIT: I accidentally gave him credit for JoMo’s two years as OC and QB coach—oops]. Even if a change is needed in OC, not sure I want to see Rahne shown the door. And who knows what all the other problems were on offense. If you can't count on WRs to run good routes, or catch the ball or if Trace is off or injured without a reliable backup, then the offense changes.

Only the coaches know what feedback these guys have gotten, what they've taken to the players to adjust, how those adjustments, etc. are being approached, etc. and what the plays should have looked like if performed optimally. 4th and 5 was terrible. And it doesn't matter that maybe some would have been decent IF (like IF the OL had blocked using a different blocking scheme than what they were actually asked to do). But if WRs caught 5 more important throws a game, this season likely would have looked completely different.

Hard to know what else needed to change or who is the right guy. I'm not giving RR any awards for the O's performance by a longshot. Only the coaches know where the breakdowns are occurring. But our passing game was good prior to this season and the QB didn't change. Maybe a change at WR coach is enough.

 

[Rollin Stone]

I don’t believe that colleges are allowed video / iPads on the sideline. As you stated the pros have it but I’m pretty sure the rule is colleges are not allowed to have it. (I could be wrong)

Also a lot of OCs (and DCs for that matter) prefer the booth because they can see the whole field from that POV. Also some prefer it because it is more “sterile” and less “chaotic” than the sidelines. They feel it helps that call the game from there.

Ultimately it comes down to personal preference of the OC / DC.

 

[tboyer]

I dont think he was implying that, he was implying that he thinks the leader of the offensive play calling should be on the field accessible to his players to be able to get their opinion. It definitely wouldn't hurt.

Yeah, I just think if you don't like the output, you change inputs.

My preference would be that Rahne just moved on and got more experience at smaller schools before he tries to be a Power 5 offensive coordinator. I don't think he was ready. He was a deer in the headlights and you could see that time and time again in tight games.

But if Franklin's going to give Rahne another year, Rahne should at very least rethink how he does the job.

The offense lacked leadership and confidence this year -- and they shouldn't have. It was largely a unit of juniors and seniors led by a QB who is one of the toughest and most confident dudes to ever wear a PSU uniform.

The offense should have been the strength of the team but never came close to living up to its talent.

They played tight, at times completely without confidence. Yeah the receiver play was bad, sometimes atrocious, but OL, QB and TB were highly inconsistent as well. The only part of the offense playing at a consistently high level was #87.

I think if you're Franklin, you try to address that in multiple ways. You shake things up. You get a new receivers coach but you also put Rahne on notice that things have to change, they have to get a lot better.

It couldn't hurt to have the leader of the offense on the sidelines next year. If nothing else it would demonstrate that Rahne is willing to do whatever it takes to turn this around.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I don't see him under pressure other than him wanting to take another step forward.

 

[canuckhal]

Rahne seemed a very good QB coach. .

Interested in how you came to this conclusion. Hack regressed and so did Trace under his tutelage. He did seem to be a competent TE coach though.

 

[Psychedelic_MackDaddy]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

Why can't you just congratulate Kentucky for playing a great game? I remember Northwestern beating us in 1995 and everyone b1tching, too.

Kentucky had a good team.

 

[PS4814]

Thank god message boards aren’t representative of true fans because some on here don’t live in reality, only the made up world in their heads.

Franklin is under zero pressure from anyone regarding his job. Just rattled off 29 wins in 3 seasons and 3 of the losses this year were by a combined 7 points. He wasn’t under any pressure midway through 2016 and he’s under no pressure now. Get a grip.

 

[Nitt1300]

I don't see him under pressure other than him wanting to take another step forward.

some people will always want change- even if there is no reason for it

 

[PSUdraw]

I am one who thinks the Rahne should be on the sidelines because he is both OC and QB coach. I use yesterday as example why lets say Trace does not come back in the game and Clifford had to finish the game you telling me Rahne was going to be effective helping Clifford from the both where he could not see his face or explain things to him and seeing if he understood him.

 

[lbujoe33]

I am one who thinks the Rahne should be on the sidelines because he is both OC and QB coach. I use yesterday as example why lets say Trace does not come back in the game and Clifford had to finish the game you telling me Rahne was going to be effective helping Clifford from the both where he could not see his face or explain things to him and seeing if he understood him.

Too much scripting. They need to make in game adjustments according to the flow of the game. We have a ton of play makers. We need come out firing on all cylinders. No one on this board can tell me we should lose to a team with 3 or 4 good players.

 

[PSUdraw]

Too much scripting. They need to make in game adjustments according to the flow of the game. We have a ton of play makers. We need come out firing on all cylinders. No one on this board can tell me we should lose to a team with 3 or 4 good players.

Mostly every team scripts plays but usually its the first 10-15 plays and that is it, then the rest of game is called by feel of the game i dont think Rahne has that feel for the game part he seems more analytical as in you might be able to help another coach with seeing something but does he have the decision making process of seeing something and attacking it properly.

 

[Grant Green]

I reluctantly believe that Rahne deserves a second year. I disagree that he can't improve in a second year (though I have doubts). Gotta ditch him if he doesn't improve next year.
Not sure coming out of the booth is really going to help his play calling.

 

[Paguy35]

Hire a wide receivers coach with OC experience. Put them in the box and Rahne on the field.

 

[Crusher1950]

Kentucky is a basketball school, enough said

 

[NittanyOpp]

I reluctantly believe that Rahne deserves a second year. I disagree that he can't improve in a second year (though I have doubts). Gotta ditch him if he doesn't improve next year.
Not sure coming out of the booth is really going to help his play calling.

Agree 100

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Interested in how you came to this conclusion. Hack regressed and so did Trace under his tutelage. He did seem to be a competent TE coach though.

wow! Brain cramp. I stand corrected. Moorhead was QB coach both seasons I gave Rahne credit for. Oh man. That changes my perspective. Ugh.

 

[BTMurphy]

I disagree with the premise. imho, the only pressure Franklin feels, at this point, is self imposed. Now, with his recent recruiting success, failure to compete for and play in BIG Championship games and garner national playoff considerations and I would agree.

 

[marshall23]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

 

[marshall23]

I hope he fires as many coaches as necessary in order to make us happy. After all, it isn't like they have families of their own. Firing people makes us happy. I mean we know coaching can make kids drop footballs....drop direct snaps on fake punts, miss chip shot field goals and fail to maintain contain responsibilities on punt returns. Certainly its a fact that none of these coaches could be loved and respected by the position groups they coach. Show them all the door and continue to do so until we find the right mix. That's the Penn State way. It is a weekly cry throughout the season and dominates the board and twitter....poor coaching....fire, fire, fire. Is Jeff Brohm available....now there is a guy who can coach.

 

[AWS1022]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

34 points a game in the first year without Barkley, Hamilton and Gesicki....oh the horror. Which would be even with or better than our scoring average in every season except one between 1995 and 2011. We averaged a TD more last year and a FG more the previous year...I would say those three guys are worth at least that much scoring.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

A little meth goes a long way, obviously.

 

[AWS1022]

24 ppg last 9 games (12th in the B10 over that time span - - - ahead of MSU and Rutgers )
(Coincidentally, the same production - 24ppg - that John Donovan’s last offense.... the one playing with depth of sanctions roster..... averaged in the B10)

When PSU averaged 40 ppg last two years - they did against BOTH the OOC Cupcakes AND the top B10 teams.

You can look it up.


Anyone is free to choose to “Whistle through the Graveyard”........ but it don’t change what it is.

And the last two years we had Barkley, Hamilton and Gesicki...that’s a lot of offensive fire power for any team to lose.

 

[NittanyOpp]

Of course he's under pressure, every coach is at any level. I am at my job and its not nearly the amount of light and stress these guys endure.

 

[bdgan]

Huh? Just came off a 9-4 season and what should be a top 10 recruiting class. The only one who should be restless is that 2020 guy.

We've got a lot of talent but a new QB and gaps on the OL and DL are a concern.

 

[DandyDonII]

On a positive note, Rahne did solve the horrible mesh point which always caused us to lose 6 yards with Barkley....

It's really hard to judge Rahne based upon all of the dropped balls and the errant throws. On the flip side, the fact he didn't use Hamler much yesterday and had some less than creative play calling does call into question if he is a good OC or not....

 

[tboyer]

On a positive note, Rahne did solve the horrible mesh point which always caused us to lose 6 yards with Barkley....

It's really hard to judge Rahne based upon all of the dropped balls and the errant throws. On the flip side, the fact he didn't use Hamler much yesterday and had some less than creative play calling does call into question if he is a good OC or not....

People here were saying you couldn't blame Corley for dropped balls and poorly run routes because somehow that wasn't his responsibility as wide receivers coach. Apparently Franklin thought differently.

I think you absolutely can hold Rahne responsible for a lack of scoring against good teams, general sloppiness and flatness, lack of creativity generally and particularly a lack of spark and execution when the game was on the line in close games. I think given the talent level on the O and the experience, we should have seen better play this year.

Yes I give Kentucky credit for playing some great D. And I don't think there's any great shame in losing to that Kentucky team. But at the same time PSU beat themselves and that shoudln't happen to a veteran offensive team at the end of a season.

There's no way you can view the first three quarters of that game and not have some questions about the quality of preparation of the offense and the offensive game plan. Rahne is making a lot of money to be responsible for all those things and it wasn't there for 3 quarters.

The drops, the miscommunications, the sloppiness absolutely ARE the responsibility of the coaching staff as well as the players.

 

[psugisher]

Franklin is the coach at Penn State so of course he’s under pressure. His early success has only increased expectations. He has a good idea of what fans are complaining about. He also knows what needs fixed and will do whatever is needed.

 

[JC CATS]

Too much scripting. They need to make in game adjustments according to the flow of the game. We have a ton of play makers. We need come out firing on all cylinders. No one on this board can tell me we should lose to a team with 3 or 4 good players.

If you are referring to UK, I think you are mistaken. We have probably 9 that will be drafted

 

[JC CATS]

People here were saying you couldn't blame Corley for dropped balls and poorly run routes because somehow that wasn't his responsibility as wide receivers coach. Apparently Franklin thought differently.

I think you absolutely can hold Rahne responsible for a lack of scoring against good teams, general sloppiness and flatness, lack of creativity generally and particularly a lack of spark and execution when the game was on the line in close games. I think given the talent level on the O and the experience, we should have seen better play this year.

Yes I give Kentucky credit for playing some great D. And I don't think there's any great shame in losing to that Kentucky team. But at the same time PSU beat themselves and that shoudln't happen to a veteran offensive team at the end of a season.

There's no way you can view the first three quarters of that game and not have some questions about the quality of preparation of the offense and the offensive game plan. Rahne is making a lot of money to be responsible for all those things and it wasn't there for 3 quarters.

The drops, the miscommunications, the sloppiness absolutely ARE the responsibility of the coaching staff as well as the players.

I think if it weren't for some of the drops it could have been a different game and swung the momentum your way.

 

[Howie'81]

Last time the fans were restless like this, Franklin dumped Donovan and hired Moorhead -- and promoted Pry. All the coaching change seemed to invigorate the program, players worked really hard and they had a special year.

I hope it will be like that this year. Franklin has one opening for wide receiver coach; it would be nice if Rahne would move on so Franklin could get a do-over on that hire. A new offensive coaching staff might be just the thing to go with all the young talent at skill positions.

I think unfortunately Rahne has shown what he can do. He's had his shot. He's not suddenly going to become a great game planner and play caller in year two. What we're going to get is what we got this year.

If Rahne stays, I hope at least Franklin requires him to stay on the sideline with his players during games. It's not like Rahne was killing it as a booth coordinator. Heck, maybe the play calling would have been better if Rahne had been on the field listening to players. The players -- including McSorley -- really lacked confidence at times this year.

Having a coach with them on the sidelines can make a big difference in settling people down and providing leadership. One of the biggest wins of the last couple of seasons was pulling it out at Iowa last year. That would not have happened if Moorehead hadn't been on the sideline having a discussion with the offensive players.

In this day and age with video instantly available, booth coaching is just not as necessary as it once was. They can have instant access to full field images with tablets -- in fact I think the players already have it. In the NFL, fine you can have booth coaches. College is a totally different game -- players need coaching and encouragement.

Anyway, Franklin made it clear in the Corley statement that the offensive coaching this year didn't meet the standard of Penn State football. Well I think Rahne didn't meet the standard either so I hope Franklin tries to at least shake things up with Rahne as well.

Pressure?

 

[Howie'81]

I don't see him under pressure other than him wanting to take another step forward.

Correct.

 

[marshall23]

some people will always want change- even if there is no reason for it

It's pretty clear that some don't even like themselves........want misery for everyone else, since they wallow in it everyday.

 

[marshall23]

People here were saying you couldn't blame Corley for dropped balls and poorly run routes because somehow that wasn't his responsibility as wide receivers coach. Apparently Franklin thought differently.

I think you absolutely can hold Rahne responsible for a lack of scoring against good teams, general sloppiness and flatness, lack of creativity generally and particularly a lack of spark and execution when the game was on the line in close games. I think given the talent level on the O and the experience, we should have seen better play this year.

Yes I give Kentucky credit for playing some great D. And I don't think there's any great shame in losing to that Kentucky team. But at the same time PSU beat themselves and that shoudln't happen to a veteran offensive team at the end of a season.

There's no way you can view the first three quarters of that game and not have some questions about the quality of preparation of the offense and the offensive game plan. Rahne is making a lot of money to be responsible for all those things and it wasn't there for 3 quarters.

The drops, the miscommunications, the sloppiness absolutely ARE the responsibility of the coaching staff as well as the players.

Just curious......if the preparation and the game plan were not there for 3 quarters.....where did the fourth quarter come from?
You are seriously blaming drops on the coaches? :LOL

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

I strongly believe Rahne needs to be on the sideline.


On the sideline back at Cornell, that is.

 

[AWS1022]

Just curious......if the preparation and the game plan were not there for 3 quarters.....where did the fourth quarter come from?
You are seriously blaming drops on the coaches? :LOL

It’s the never ending bitching. Remember in 2016 when Franklin couldn’t get his guys motivated early in the game and we had to come back in the second half every game? He couldn’t motivate his guys to come in prepared to play and it was going to cost us. Then it became Franklin can’t finish a game. Guys drop balls, it’s the receivers coach. Kicker misses FG’s, it’s the ST coach. Guys play like sh!t for three quarters, it’s Franklin’s fault for not having them prepared. They play great in the 4th but fall short, it’s Franklin’s time management. Seems everyone is to blame but the people actually playing the game.

 

[m48tank]

It's pretty clear that some don't even like themselves........want misery for everyone else, since they wallow in it everyday.

I have to say I really like this post, as it's very applicable to this board and the other as well!