Game of Thrones S6:E6 (spoilers)

[wbcincy]

Last night was one of those episodes where I ask myself why I watch the show. Then I answer myself with, "because its the best thing on TV and you love it." But still...oof.

I'm sure every single viewer was desperately hoping Theon would snap out of it and murder Ramsay before he could assault Sansa. Alas, we were left only to hear Sansa suffer, and watch Reek suffer... Just brutal. Just desperately wish there was some way Sansa eventually got a happy ending, but this game of thrones, so she'll probably just suffer immeasurably then die.

The Arya scenes are really boring me at this point. I'm sure its building to something more, but in the meantime, her scenes are weak.

How is it even possible for Tommen to be quite this weak. Hard to imagine any teenager letting them drag away his "first" and the queen when he could waive a hand and have all of them killed. I hated Joffrey, but I'm on the cusp of hating Tommen even more. Will he ever grow a pair, or is Cersei going to remain in charge? And the Lannister's are screwed w/o the Tyrell's, so extremely short-sighted by Cersei. She's certainly not her father.

Tyrion and Jorah being captured explain how Jorah ends up in the pits. Couldn't help but laugh at the line of "keep him alive until we reach the next cock merchant."

But again, the ending, just really tough to sit through. Any other show would've given us Theon killing Ramsay. Part of what makes the show so hard to watch, but also why it's great.

I'd watched Mad Men, then planned to watch GoT and go to bed. After watching GoT, I had to stay up and watch Last Week Tonight just to end things more lightly.

 

[psu00]

Last night was one of those episodes where I ask myself why I watch the show. Then I answer myself with, "because its the best thing on TV and you love it." But still...oof.

I'm sure every single viewer was desperately hoping Theon would snap out of it and murder Ramsay before he could assault Sansa. Alas, we were left only to hear Sansa suffer, and watch Reek suffer... Just brutal. Just desperately wish there was some way Sansa eventually got a happy ending, but this game of thrones, so she'll probably just suffer immeasurably then die.

The Arya scenes are really boring me at this point. I'm sure its building to something more, but in the meantime, her scenes are weak.

How is it even possible for Tommen to be quite this weak. Hard to imagine any teenager letting them drag away his "first" and the queen when he could waive a hand and have all of them killed. I hated Joffrey, but I'm on the cusp of hating Tommen even more. Will he ever grow a pair, or is Cersei going to remain in charge? And the Lannister's are screwed w/o the Tyrell's, so extremely short-sighted by Cersei. She's certainly not her father.

Tyrion and Jorah being captured explain how Jorah ends up in the pits. Couldn't help but laugh at the line of "keep him alive until we reach the next cock merchant."

But again, the ending, just really tough to sit through. Any other show would've given us Theon killing Ramsay. Part of what makes the show so hard to watch, but also why it's great.

I'd watched Mad Men, then planned to watch GoT and go to bed. After watching GoT, I had to stay up and watch Last Week Tonight just to end things more lightly.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like in the last few episodes the storyline isn't really going anywhere. After the last few episodes I keep thinking 'that's it?'

 

[dfm135psu]

I haven't read the books, so this is just a gut feel - Theon will fully snap out of it during Stannis' assualt on Winterfell. He'll do something that will turn the tide, maybe he'll even kill Ramsay.

Definitely agree about Cersei. Her entire existence is coming up with new plans to get herself out the hole her old plans dug for her. They've already hinted that one of the major crimes the Faith Militant worked to eliminate was incest, which shouldn't work out too well for Cersei.

And I also agree about Arya. I'm very interested in where her plot line ends up, and I think the general idea of how she is getting there is pretty cool, but it's been a drag watching it unfold.

 

[lionroar88]

What happened to the younger Snow brothers' story line? Did it just end at the end of last season?

The previews for next week show Sansa telling someone (I think it was Theon) that they have friends in the North outside Winterfell. I think Breean will show up during the battle and it may be her that shakes some sense into Theon, although the Grayjoys may just find this an opportune time to bring vengeance against the Boltons for Ramsey's actions against Theon's sister... now wouldn't that be interesting... a Grayjoy/Baratheon war against the Boltons... hrmmm

And wasn't it the younger Snow brothers who Theon thinks he killed? What if Bran shows up? Lots of ways this storyline can play out.

Arya's story is interesting. I liked how she proclaimed 'I am done playing this stupid game.' and then turned around and played it perfectly with the little girl (although it was tough watching that scene, she gave the little girl hope where there was none to set her mind at ease).

I want Cersi to die 1,000,000 deaths. I have a feeling Littlefinger is going to play a role in the happenings within King's Landing, and Winterfell... just hope his love for, and loyalties to, The Stark Women is stronger than it now appears.

 

[WPB_lion]

I haven't read the books, so this is just a gut feel - Theon will fully snap out of it during Stannis' assualt on Winterfell. He'll do something that will turn the tide, maybe he'll even kill Ramsay.

Definitely agree about Cersei. Her entire existence is coming up with new plans to get herself out the hole her old plans dug for her. They've already hinted that one of the major crimes the Faith Militant worked to eliminate was incest, which shouldn't work out too well for Cersei.

And I also agree about Arya. I'm very interested in where her plot line ends up, and I think the general idea of how she is getting there is pretty cool, but it's been a drag watching it unfold.

Interesting point. Tyrion knows that Cersei was involved in a incestuous relationship with Lancel. Tyrion actually blackmailed Lancel regarding his relationship with Cersei. It would be an interesting way for Tyrion to get back at Cersie (without involving his brother) once he finds out what is going on at Kings Landing. Would Lancel lie if asked to testify before his god? I would guess that he would. Are there any other third parties who have witnessed Cersie's incestuous relationships that could testify other than Bran?

 

[mdahmus]

If it's any consolation, the book scenes with Arya and the assassin school are even more interminably boring.

 

[wbcincy]

What happened to the younger Snow brothers' story line? Did it just end at the end of last season?

The previews for next week show Sansa telling someone (I think it was Theon) that they have friends in the North outside Winterfell. I think Breean will show up during the battle and it may be her that shakes some sense into Theon, although the Grayjoys may just find this an opportune time to bring vengeance against the Boltons for Ramsey's actions against Theon's sister... now wouldn't that be interesting... a Grayjoy/Baratheon war against the Boltons... hrmmm

And wasn't it the younger Snow brothers who Theon thinks he killed? What if Bran shows up? Lots of ways this storyline can play out.

Arya's story is interesting. I liked how she proclaimed 'I am done playing this stupid game.' and then turned around and played it perfectly with the little girl (although it was tough watching that scene, she gave the little girl hope where there was none to set her mind at ease).

I want Cersi to die 1,000,000 deaths. I have a feeling Littlefinger is going to play a role in the happenings within King's Landing, and Winterfell... just hope his love for, and loyalties to, The Stark Women is stronger than it now appears.

The showrunners have said Bran Stark won't appear in this season. He's in the cave w/ the 3-eyed raven learning warg powers while this season goes on.

 

[wbcincy]

If it's any consolation, the book scenes with Arya and the assassin school are even more interminably boring.

Having not read the books, are all of the storylines now beyond where the books are? I know Bran's story had reached as far as it was in the books, but are other characters still catching up with what's already been written, or are book readers seeing things for the first time now too?

 

[Elwood Blues]

There’s edgy and then there’s over-the-edge. The show careened off the cliff last night.

I agree with this snippet of a review I found on line: "You can add these final moments to the list of Game of Thrones scenes that have made me wonder what the f*** is wrong with me that I’m still watching this show. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you what else is on that list. And I don’t want to. I’m trying to forget!"

 

[jjsocrates]

Having not read the books, are all of the storylines now beyond where the books are? I know Bran's story had reached as far as it was in the books, but are other characters still catching up with what's already been written, or are book readers seeing things for the first time now too?

Nope. (and yes) The storylines this season are muddily weaving together all of the storylines that comprise Books 4 and 5. Book 4 stunk, Book 5 was great. So that's why you're seeing some good, some bad, "some where's this going" plots.

The only one that has gone off the rails is the Sansa Stark storyline. None of this is in the books at all. In the Books, Sansa is safely back at the Eyrie with Littlefinger while Ramsay has married a Sansa doppleganger. Brienne was last seen in the "company" of the Brotherhood without Banners and their leader, the "will she/won't she appear in the TV show" Lady Stoneheart.

Boy, do I hate Littlefinger. Ramsay Bolton is a little bastard, literally, but I really hate Littlefinger for putting Sansa in harm's way. Sansa has no clue how to rally people to her cause. There is a slightly better chance of Theon coming to his senses than Sansa evolving into a leader.

Jaime & Bron never went to Dorne in the books. Other than that, things are more-or-less unfolding as planned. Doran Martell appears to just be sitting around doing nothing, but he has a much better grip on things than people think.

Cersei should never have pissed off Oleanna.

I will say that the plot lines in Books 4 and Books 5 plodded along VERY slowly, but ended in pretty sudden, shocking or awesome fashions.

I won't spoil, but I can hint and/or speculate on the fates of these characters:
Things DON'T go well for: Cersei, Jon Snow, Stannis Baratheon.
Things DO go well for: Maegery, Arya Stark.
Things are up in the air for: Daenerys, Tyrion, Sam/Gilly, The Martells, the Greyjoys.
Things I have no clue about: Sansa, Littlefinger, Brienne, Bran/Rickon.

You can pretty much see where the plotlines of most characters are heading...but the biggest cliffhangers to come are what happens to Jon Snow and Daenerys. But then again, this is a song of ICE and FIRE.

 

[jjsocrates]

There’s edgy and then there’s over-the-edge. The show careened off the cliff last night.

Just remember, this is the show that killed off their main character after nine episodes. I don't know what was so over-the-edge about last night. Except that one of the most innocent characters was given over to one of the most evil ones.

 

[vader_psu]

An note from GRRM: The Show, the Books

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Why would anyone think that the ending was over the top? As soon as Littlefinger left, either Sansa was going to get raped by Ramsay or she was going to knife him when he tried.

 

[Elwood Blues]

I'm really not sure if jjsocrates and j30etc are really not sure why I found last night's show to be shocking ...or, like the show's writers ... are they just messing with me?

I get that part of what makes this show great is that it's unpredictable. Unlike most Hollywood productions over the past 100 years, in GOT, bad things happen to good people, a lot. I just think there should be some limit. The Sansa scene was totally unnecessary, disgusting, and a new low for the show. With all the depravity depicted in this show, I guess for me the line is drawn with kids...and Sansa's supposed to be what, 16? I also hated it when Bran was pushed out of the window...same within burning of the kid-who-was-not-Bran.

I know, I know, fiction, obviously....but this is all about entertainment, right? How is the rape of a teenager entertainment?

 

[JBDLion]

Last night was very tame compared to what it could have been if they fully merged the two plots from the book and show. Sansa showed a little bit of spine with Myranda and I'm thinking we'll start to see more of that as this goes along.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Last night's was the first episode where I was left feeling 'meh' after everything. The Sand Snakes were terribly underwhelming and I was so looking forward to them. I did like mostly everything else and was most interested in Littlefinger's 'betrayal' of Sansa. I see his big picture goals here - be Warden of the North (in addition to all his other titles) and marry Sansa - but why tell Cersei she's alive and in Winterfell? He almost certainly has another play here (get the Lannister's to march north, leaving King's Landing unguarded?) but I'm not totally sure what that is.

Arya's story, typically my favorite, didn't do much for me here. My thinking is she's not going to become 'No One' the Faceless Assassin, but rather, as Jaqen suggested, 'someone else.' Not sure where that is going though. I did like Tyrion and Jorah's exchange with the slavers and the Ramsay/Sansa stuff was tough to stomach, but Sansa has been sheltered for a long time. She's way overdue to start playing 'the game'. I'm thinking this is how it happens.

 

[tboyer]

Last night was one of those episodes where I ask myself why I watch the show. Then I answer myself with, "because its the best thing on TV and you love it." But still...oof.

There is a lot that is good about this show but the writers definitely have a sick fetish about Ramsey and forcing us to watch Ramsey torture people.

Geez, there were like three or four long extended Theon torture scenes last year -- far more than any reasonable purpose for advancing the plot. And yes, of course we knew what was going to happen to Sansa -- no need to make us watch it. OK Ramsey is an evil dude -- WE GET IT ALREADY. Probably Ramsey is going to be somewhat important to the plot going forward and he will die in some gruesome way.

Obviously you sign up to watch a lot of graphic violence when you watch a show like GOT. Nobody needs HBO to sanitize it or try to clean it up -- it's not family viewing. But on the other hand I don't like it when HBO seems to wallow in the violence or the sex. Not because I can't handle it but because it serves as a distraction and a waste of time. Every scene pointlessly showing us Ramsey torturing people at this point is a scene lost that could be spent advancing the the story or helping fill out some other character. Every minute spent with Ramsey at this point is a waste of time -- unless there are plans for Ramsey's character to evolve, and I doubt that is in the cards. Ramsey is very unimportant -- it's Roose who is going to be making all the key decisions for House Bolton.

 

[JBDLion]

If you read the notes about last night's episode, it gives some better context on Sansa's age and historical context around alliance marriages and marital expectations from not only Weteros but the Middle Age Europe it was based on. It's not pretty by today's standards but it was not unexpected for the situation.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Unbowed,_Unbent,_Unbroken#Notes

 

[cronk]

Why would anyone think that the ending was over the top? As soon as Littlefinger left, either Sansa was going to get raped by Ramsay or she was going to knife him when he tried.

i guess people forgot Dany got raped on her wedding night as well

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

i guess people forgot Dany got raped on her wedding night as well

And Jaime basically raped Cersei on Joffrey's corpse (though I guess there is some room for interpretation on this one)...

 

[JBDLion]

And Jaime basically raped Cersei on Joffrey's corpse (though I guess there is some room for interpretation on this one)...

I'd say that interpretation is correct. That was purely HBO's embellishment to add more controversy to an already controversial situation from the books.

 

[MohawkLion]

This season has just been bad. ramsay is just annoying at this point. cersei is annoying at this point. the sparrows are dumb. the "fight" between Jamie and the sand snakes was seriously awful. choreography there was hilariously bad it was almost unwatchable. Those 3 female warriors are just lame. 6 episodes of buildup has been almost unwatchable.

 

[WPB_lion]

I'm really not sure if jjsocrates and j30etc are really not sure why I found last night's show to be shocking ...or, like the show's writers ... are they just messing with me?

I get that part of what makes this show great is that it's unpredictable. Unlike most Hollywood productions over the past 100 years, in GOT, bad things happen to good people, a lot. I just think there should be some limit. The Sansa scene was totally unnecessary, disgusting, and a new low for the show. With all the depravity depicted in this show, I guess for me the line is drawn with kids...and Sansa's supposed to be what, 16? I also hated it when Bran was pushed out of the window...same within burning of the kid-who-was-not-Bran.

I know, I know, fiction, obviously....but this is all about entertainment, right? How is the rape of a teenager entertainment?

I agree that GOT goes out of its way to shock and is willing to go to low points that shock the conscience. The GOT gets you to like characters and then the most horrible things happen to the likeable characters. I often walk away from watching the show with a pit in my stomach.

The resulting depth of hatred and disgust that I feel for the bad characters far exceeds the hatred and disgust that I feel for bad characters in your run of the mill television shows. I wait with anticipation for every show hoping that something bad will happen to the bad characters. When something good finally happens (ie. the bad characters get killed), the payoff is tremendous. The resulting highs and lows of this show far exceed any other show that I have ever watched. I think that is what makes the show great.

 

[wbcincy]

This season has just been bad. ramsay is just annoying at this point. cersei is annoying at this point. the sparrows are dumb. the "fight" between Jamie and the sand snakes was seriously awful. choreography there was hilariously bad it was almost unwatchable. Those 3 female warriors are just lame. 6 episodes of buildup has been almost unwatchable.

I agree that last night's episode was bad in many ways, but the season up to this point has been as stronger or stronger than any of the previous 4, IMO.

 

[LafayetteBear]

GOT is a morality play in reverse. On steroids. I'm alternately disgusted and amused by all the horrible stuff that befalls its most likeable characers (the Starks), while the venal, loathesome Lannisters generally continue to come up roses. That and the torture porn stuff make this series unique. The eye gouging, head exploding like a watermelon scene went over the top and then some. LOL...

 

[jjsocrates]

Keep in mind - that Sansa getting raped by her husband was probably not even in the top ten of nasty things on this show. How about Joffrey killing his prostitute with a crossbow?

Of course, they never even SHOWED the Sansa rape scene, just the sounds. I'd guess it was much worse since Sansa is likeable and terribly innocent. But really - if you made a list of all the nasty stuff going on...Daenerys raped on her wedding night by Khal Drogo for one? And she's apparently younger than Sansa. AND they showed that scene. That was season 1, maybe even episode 2. Now, 40 episodes later - NOW Game of Thrones is over the top?

There are no good guys on this show. I think that's been made pretty apparent. There are some innocents, but guess what? War is pretty rampant in this show/fairy tale land - and war is not going to distinguish between innocence. I'm baffled why some people think GoT is moving to new lows...its ALWAYS been like this. Its ALWAYS been nasty and gruesome. Hell, Sansa's younger sister saw her dad beheaded, and it sent her into a PTSD enhanced trance that lasted years and resulted in her wanting to become a ninja assassin. Its been pretty much implied that children get slaughted by the thousands in this show. Daenerys little nephew had his brains bashed out by the Mountain...are we upset that that happened or because the perpetrator was allowed to roam free for so long?

There are no good guys on this show. And there are lots of bad guys. And guess what...sometimes the bad guys win and the good guys lose, and the bad guys go unpunished. This IS fiction, this IS fantasy, this IS allegory for medievel times as well as modern metaphor.

I'm baffled. We ARE all watching the same show??

 

[lionroar88]

We didn't see Ramsey rape Sansa... what happened was all 'noise' and Theon's facial expressions. I'm thinking Sansa's 'rape' will be the impetuous for her 'transformation', and she will call upon Breanne. After watching last night and thinking more on the 'preview', that is where I see this storyline heading.

The more I think about Bran the more I think it is he who will end up controlling the dragons... he is yet to play a major role I think.

The only Lanister that I hope survives is Tyrion, and I hope he plays a role in each of the rests' demise, and I hope his role makes their downfall all the more entertaining and gratifying.

I would agree the sand snakes were less than impressive... actually much worse than that, almost like they were portrayed as pre-teen girls with sticks.

 

[WPB_lion]

List of 20 most shocking moments on Game of Thrones:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...-of-Thrones-the-20-most-shocking-moments.html

Can you think of any not listed?

 

[Pitt is #1]

I guess Ramsay didn't just cut off Theon's penis. He certainly doesn't seem to have a set either. It's very frustrating watching Theon's character. I haven't read the books but he either needs to die or snap out of it. I tend to think Little Finger will become Warden of the North and then turn on Cersei. He will need Sansa to accomplish this. I see Sansa's character hardening and her become more like her mother.

 

[wbcincy]

While there have been tons of awful things on the show, I'd have to say that, "16 year-old girl is raped by a torture-fetish sociopath while her castrated childhood friend is forced to watch" should probably top any list.

 

[jjsocrates]

While there have been tons of awful things on the show, I'd have to say that, "16 year-old girl is raped by a torture-fetish sociopath while her castrated childhood friend is forced to watch" should probably top any list.

Did we forget Theon hoisting the blackened bodies of 2 children (supposed to be Bran/Rickon) to the top of Winterfell castle as a warning to anyone who would resist his attempts to take the castle?

Somehow, I think that was high on the list as well.

 

[rudedude]

Geez, what about The Mountain squishing Oberyon's head like an egg! This episode moved story lines along IMO. They are setting up future events. You can predict things will not end well for Cersei, Ramsey (Reek is gonna carve that MFer up!), Jorah (he is now "stoned"), Tommen ( that pussy!), Jamie & Bronn (imprisoned in Dorne), & those stupid Sand Snakes!

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

This probably went unnoticed by many due to the horrible fight choreography, but how much longer do we think Bronn has now?

 

[bmw199]

This probably went unnoticed by many due to the horrible fight choreography, but how much longer do we think Bronn has now?

Wow totally missed that! Yup I said he had to be a goner soon, but just being executed would be a terrible waste for a great fighter on the show.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

I remember the scene but did not connect to the use of poison by the Dornish. Maybe the Maester back in Kings Landing can do the same thing to him that he's doing to the Mountain. GOT Zombies.

 

[Bkn_Psu]

I would be shocked if Theon didn't end up killing Ramsay in BRUTAL fashion. I thought we were going to see that at the end there.

The last two episodes have massive potential. I've really enjoyed this season so far.

 

[rudedude]

This probably went unnoticed by many due to the horrible fight choreography, but how much longer do we think Bronn has now?

Bronn will live on in Ripper Street as Inspector Bennet Drake. Another show I really enjoy!

 

[PSU.:.]

Yep I noticed the cut Bronn got and I'm pretty certain he will be poisoned. I'm going to be pissed if they kill Bronn because he is my favor character.
Why is everyone all poop poop over Sansa getting raped? This is Game of Thrones this kind of shit happens. It's not the first time something horrible happend on the show. It wansnt even close of being worse thing either.

Sand Snakes get a big fat F, Disappointing.

I love how Cersei is risky war, famine, and death of thousands so she can have her personal vendetta against Queen Margery. This bitch can't die soon enough. If she thinks this is the way to bring down House Tyrell then she's sorely mistaken.

 

[lionroar88]

There are only two episodes left? W.... T..... F......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JBDLion]

There are only two episodes left? W.... T..... F......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Four left. Episode 9 is usually epic with episode 10 left to pick up the pieces, but we have two more before those.