GoT, S7E6
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Epic episode. Was that Thoros of Myr who got killed on that island? The Hound is a stud. (And a cvnt.) Wonder what that spear the Night King threw was made of. Someone is gonna have to kill that dude. Wonder if the dragon he raised dies with him.
Loved everything about that episode, except I'm finding it hard to buy that Sansa and (particularly) Arya could be turned against each other so easily and quickly. I realize that you have to suspend disbelief quite frequently with a story like this one, but c'mon.
Loved everything about that episode, except I'm finding it hard to buy that Sansa and (particularly) Arya could be turned against each other so easily and quickly. I realize that you have to suspend disbelief quite frequently with a story like this one, but c'mon.
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Sansa and Arya were never close. Their differences were emphasized considerably in Season 1. I don't find it unbelievable.
Oh man what a fantastic episode.
Littlefinger really knows how to play the game.
Don't know why Arya would reveal she is a faceless man and can turn into almost anyone. She just just lost a big advantage over Littlefinger. If Sansa knows, Littlefinger will now know. Stupid girl
The Knight King is one bad a$$ mofo. Now he will ride his dragon around Westros burning everything and everyone and not to mention it's dead which will make it much harder to kill. Westros is in a heap of trouble now.
Littlefinger really knows how to play the game.
Don't know why Arya would reveal she is a faceless man and can turn into almost anyone. She just just lost a big advantage over Littlefinger. If Sansa knows, Littlefinger will now know. Stupid girl
The Knight King is one bad a$$ mofo. Now he will ride his dragon around Westros burning everything and everyone and not to mention it's dead which will make it much harder to kill. Westros is in a heap of trouble now.
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Arya is playing Littlefinger with her arguing with Sansa. She will eventually "play" Sansa and get the dibs on that smirking bastard. As far as the dragon goes, will it still respond to its "mother" or the Night King? TBD.
Getting a little tired of the Calvary saves. First, Bronn comes out of nowhere to save Jamie and then emerge free on the other side. Now, Jon comes out of the water by his sword after the dead have left, only to be noticed, and then Uncle to the rescue. This Uncle is becoming a little convenient when a nephew needs saving. By the way, Jon is an idiot. He lost his cool in the battle of the bastards and charged to his death if not for another last minute save by Knight Vale. In this episode he charges the Night King and almost drowns.
Interesting that Jon's wounds have not appeared to healed or else those are some bad looking scars.
The Night King is cool under pressure.
Sam is going to have to come up with a plan.
Why does Dany keep Tyrion as hand? Because he is no hero?
Interesting that Jon's wounds have not appeared to healed or else those are some bad looking scars.
The Night King is cool under pressure.
Sam is going to have to come up with a plan.
Why does Dany keep Tyrion as hand? Because he is no hero?
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Tyrion is still useful to her as the Hand and he keeps her in check when she wants to go all mad king on everyone.
Johns will never heal, just like Beric's wounds. Basic lost his eye in one death and several others shown when the hound killed him years ago. He also less and less of him came back each time.
I enjoyed a ton about the episode, but I agree with Canuck, the last second rescues are becoming tiresome. Part of what made this show great is that it didn't do that constantly. Sometimes bad stuff just happens. Now every single precarious situation works out beautifully. And the dragon raising thing was pretty obvious, I think that been predicted in these threads before. Once again convenience dictated that strengths be balanced out. Finally and I'll stop bitching, I hate everything about Sansa/Arya's little arc. To be played so easily by Littlefinger....just hate it.
I think the finale isn't going to be very exciting. It's just going to be an episode setting up the final season.
I guess I'm alone here, I've found this season very meh. Everything that happens now is so convenient, so cliche with the last second rescues every time, the love with Dany and Jon was forced too quick because they decided they had to finish everything in X episodes. I don't know, we had a show that slow burned for so long, doing incredible character and story development, and now everything has to be rushed because they had to finish in 13 episodes.
It's like you smoked a brisket for 12 hours, and at the end threw it in the microwave to finish.
I think the finale isn't going to be very exciting. It's just going to be an episode setting up the final season.
I guess I'm alone here, I've found this season very meh. Everything that happens now is so convenient, so cliche with the last second rescues every time, the love with Dany and Jon was forced too quick because they decided they had to finish everything in X episodes. I don't know, we had a show that slow burned for so long, doing incredible character and story development, and now everything has to be rushed because they had to finish in 13 episodes.
It's like you smoked a brisket for 12 hours, and at the end threw it in the microwave to finish.
^^^^^ And this is what happens when "Hollywood writers" take over a script ^^^^^
Remember, the first 5 seasons the HBO writers more or less had to follow the books. The books were ahead of the show. I believe the show passed the books at season 5. Last year and this year, you can definitely see the stale, old and over-used hollywood cliche story lines taking place. The last second saves from defeat are right out of the "Hollywood script writing 101" class.
This entire lame-brain idea of having 7 guys go north of the wall... to face the Army Of The Dead.... to kidnap 1 wit ...... to be able to bring that 1 wit back to show Cersei Lannister ..... to convince Cersei to help their cause with her depleted army ..... even though in the long run you can not trust Cersie ....... >>>>> To me this entire lame-brain plot was devised ONLY to be able to have the scene where Dany came swooping in with there dragons to save the day for Jon and create the Jon-Dany coming together.
It's like Hollywood needed the "end game" and they said "OK, we need this end game, what can we do to create this end game....." And they came up with this story line.
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Then everyone whining does not need to watch anymore. Oh yeah, many scenes of people b.s.ing on a long journey were enthralling TV. NOT. We finally get dead guys and dragons blowing shit up and some are bitching. Sorry, but Martin will never finish his series of books. He will not be around because he is too much into the minutiae to move the story along.
I'm a little off on the size/time sequence of the wall. The Army Of The Dead and the White Walkers are walking towards the wall for what seems like years and years and year. But they seem to never be able to reach The Wall. Yet Jon and his band can casually take a stroll and meet The Army Of The Dead in no time at all. And then, Robert Baratheon's Bastard Son can simply take a run, and get back to the wall very quickly. .... who knows maybe Robert Baratheon is not his Dad, maybe his dad is an Ethiopian Marathoner??
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Share a lot of the same sentiment but this show gets a long leash from me - I'll have more later but will add I do not think Littlefinger has the upper hand with Arya....
I totally agree. They have made an effort to make Arya the littlest bad-a$$ in all of Westeros, and I do not see her losing to Littlefinger. Not only is she a master swordsman which was on display during her training bout with Brienne. But she is also cold and calculating, which was on display with her mass murder or the Frye's. And she now has a wisdom beyond her years which allows her a vision to see and understand things, which was on display with her tit-for-tat conversation with Sansa.
They are not going to take 6 episodes building a little bad-a$$, all just to have her lose out to a creeper like LIttlefinger.
Arya has her own plan and I thought Sansa might be in all on it but she is not. The tables will be turned on Littlefinger and I still think Sansa will outwit him on one of his crosses. In this episode, Littlefinger tells Sansa to keep Brienne close so she can protect her from her sister. Littlefinger appears to be hoping Arya will act and Brienne will kill Arya or Arya will be exposed. Arya seems to know this and doesn't act and tells Sansa knows about the faces. I predict at some point, Arya will be wearing Littlefinger's face.
Did anyone else think Jon was going to ride the other dragon? That would have been better than the Uncle Ben save.
I think it arya that knows how to play the game, upcoming twist that is the one with the big advantage.
Don't see the dragon burning "everyone", that would mean not adding to the dead army.
Arya is going to kill the night king with the Valaryian Steel dagger that was used in the assination attempt on Bran during season 1. After she kills the night king the dead dragon will shatter. That's why Jorah Moremont was inquiring to Jon why all the white walkers died when he killed the one.
I did. Figured that was gonna be the only way he got out. I was kinda expecting the other dragon to swoop in and pick him up. That would have fit the story better than his "uncle"
Yes, I was the one who called the hook up between Jon and Dany... if only I could use my powers to identify the winning power ball numbers!
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I think they're saving Jon riding a dragon until it's revealed to him he's a Targaryen.
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Well - Benjen still needed a role and a way to close his arc. And again, I think they're saving Jon's dragon ride for a bigger scene.
"The Night King is cool under pressure.". This is a great hold my beer meme. See a dragon roasting your army, calmly pick up a spear and lance him from several hundred yards away.
Am I the only one amazed by the GPS technology and afterburners used by the ravens and Dany's dragons? Not to mention Genrey's Olympic marathon time running back to the Eastwatch gate? Damn, that rescue was faster than the Navy Seals could've done!
I think that would be pretty sick if Arya could infiltrate the white walkers to take out the knight king.
I try to watch the episodes a few times before scouring the interwebs for others thoughts. I thought last night was good but not a great episode for the standard this show has set, which is a cut above normal TV. it would have been great for other shows, but just fell a little short for me. Like some of the others said, they spun this multi year story and now it feels there is this rush to just end it. I also agree that when they were following the books they had their story and it was easy to copy, but now when the tv writers get in there it has become very predictable and unrealistic to the show arc.
where in the heck do they get that chain out of nowhere to pull the dragon up. its just sitting in a cave, its back at walker base camp. stupid. would have been cool if the knight king could have summoned him up with some magic. the whites were afraid to cross the ice and fall in the water, but now they are scuba diving down to the bottom of a lake, wrapping some heavy chain around the dragon and then pulling it up. this is a show about magic and fantasy, we all suspended disbelief to get into the show, so now one of the biggest happenings in the show appears to have been done without much thought.
arya is setting up LF and he gets his by her hands, its coming. I think she had to see if sansa was all in or if she was conflicted by power and her time in kings landing.
as for Uncle ben, he is tied into the 3 eyed raven and i suspect bran was watching what was going on and sent him to help out.
gendry had his track shoes on, but I think when they fell asleep on the rock a good bit of time passed, which allowed Usain-gendry to get back.
the love boat set sale so that is fun. I know she cant have kids, but Im hopeful there is a twist on that.
its so obvious that Cersei will agree to send troops north at the summit next week. she wont after she hears the WW killed the dragon, hoping they all get killed and she can try to survive the winter remaining as queen. this will obviously piss off jaime and he runs to help. again its too obvious.
im guessing the scorpian gets a dragon glass broadhead and they figure out how to make it a repeater or mount on to something.
all i got for now....
I thought last season was very good. In fact, IMO the last 15 minutes of the last show of last season was some of the best television ever. This season is not nearly as good as the other seasons for the reasons stated above. I fear the next season will not be as good either. It is Martin's imagination and story telling that created the Game of Thrones. I believe we are seeing the effects of the TV show getting ahead of the real talent behind the story line.
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Ummmm- half the world knew they'd hook up and the Dragon would become a walker. But thanks.
I agree more with the inconsistencies that you point out relating to whites not wanting to fall into the water during the heat of battle then scuba diving in the same water to pull out the dragon. Pulling the dragon out of the water with chains was totally unnecessary as it would have been just as dramatic to see the Dragon opening its blue eye under water. The only way that I can square the foregoing inconsistency is to imagine that the whites did not want to fall in the water during the battle because it would have been an ineffective way to fight the battle. However, the whites have shown absolutely no ability to think logically or strategically (see them jumping off cliffs in the first battle) so in my head, it is very hard to square the inconsistencies. I know we are required to suspend belief in these types of stories but the magic that exists in these stories should at least be consistent.
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Yes, the mission beyond the wall never made sense. Yes, Gendry is apparently half Usain Bolt and half marathon runner. Yes, random uncle saving in the middle of Siberia while looking like the headless horseman is eye-rolling. And yes, ravens and dragons can now fly via instant transmission. But who cares? You know you don't. That dragon just got killed by an ice spear and raised as a frost wyrm. So cool.
I like the Stark sisters story arc. Together with their different, yet shared experiences, they could rule the whole kingdom. They'll figure it out after some general "women hate other women" time and turn the tables on Littlefinger. I could see Sansa being Lady Warden in the North when this is all done.
Next week should be fun.
I like the Stark sisters story arc. Together with their different, yet shared experiences, they could rule the whole kingdom. They'll figure it out after some general "women hate other women" time and turn the tables on Littlefinger. I could see Sansa being Lady Warden in the North when this is all done.
Next week should be fun.
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I quit caring about the 'details' of certain things (how magic works, how people travel so fast, why Tyrion never killed Littlefinger for setting him up, etc.) a while ago. Just not worth getting worked up over when there are so many other things to enjoy (Sansa and Arya! Dragons! Dany and Jon! The Hound and Tormund!). I will say a lot of us have a certain 'slow burn' expectation with storytelling and that is why there is so much groaning, but you can't let perfect be the enemy of near-perfect; just enjoy. I thought there were two more episodes this year and when I saw the preview for next week and it said 'Finale' I was so bummed!! But, we get (hopefully) Cersei, Dany, Brienne, Jon, The Mountain, Jaime, Euron, and Davos (and Drogon no doubt somewhere nearby) for what should be one of the best character set-pieces in some time when they have their 'sit down' meeting next week. And the episode should clock in at over an hour and a half, so lots of time to take their time.
All that said, the BIGGEST time-killer in this whole show was how Martin had Dany meandering in Essos for six seasons. Once her dragons were big enough to do some damage, she should have set sail for Dragonstone. Then, in about Season 4, she could have had her proxy war with Cersei while Jon and everyone else was doing their thing. Dany needed the first two seasons to grow; after that, gloves off. Now her storyline is so fast paced you're kicking yourself for having to watch her deal with the complaints of commoners and slave owners in Yunkai. This is the biggest area IMO where the show-runners should have strayed from the books early on (second biggest was Bran's story - important, but wrap it up in a season or two).
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As others have stated this season has been a big let down. Some of it is borderline cheesy and not having cheesiness was what made GOT so great. I'll continue to watch, but doubt I will re-watch any episode from this season. Hoping for the best next season, but I'm not expecting much. It is what it is. Maybe Arya will use the face of the girl that she saw Littlefinger talking to when she was hiding in the barn to set him up.
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I think the biggest issue was only having four books to use as source material for the first four seasons. Once the writers went out on their own, and once the actors all started getting bigger and demanding more money (not to mention how expensive each episode is to film), they needed to find a way to wrap things up. Even the fifth and sixth seasons plodded along to some degree (Arya's time in Braavos, Bran forever searching for the Raven, Ramsey doing whatever he wants, the whole High Septon nonsense) as if the writers had all the time in the world. Now, with their backs against the wall, they have to try to finish this thing and it's a monumental task.
That could be why it seems more "TV-like" now as well. The writers are more or less doing their own thing so the nuances of story-telling have gone away.
I don't mind suspending disbelief at all. I mean, we are talking about dragons and the walking dead, so anything to do with realism doesn't bother me much. It's the storytelling change that has frustrated me. As plenty have noted, it became obvious when normal TV-types had to take over the story. It became another Hollywood cliché factory. At the same time, I do have some understanding for what the producers are dealing with. Martin can't wrap anything up, so they're left needing to wrap up 100 arcs in 2 seasons. It's inevitable they're forced to be convenient in many instances. I agree with @rudedude that Martin will never finish the story (though I disagree about whether I should be allowed to continue watching). But sending who they sent north of the wall made zero logical sense at all. Until you realize they contrived it that way for no reason other than to find a way to give the Night King a dragon. Then you feel like the producers are insulting your intelligence.
Don't get me wrong, its still my favorite show on television by a mile. My complaints are because the bar is set so high by how incredible the show has been. I'm like an Alabama fan "suffering" through a 10-2 season.
Don't get me wrong, its still my favorite show on television by a mile. My complaints are because the bar is set so high by how incredible the show has been. I'm like an Alabama fan "suffering" through a 10-2 season.
That could well be what Littlefinger intended, but my takeaway from that scene (i.e., the one where he reminded Sansa of Brienne's obligation to intervene should one Stark girl threaten the other) was that he was nudging Sansa to get Brienne out of the picture so that she would not be in the way if and when Sansa moved against Arya. Sansa's dispatching Brienne to Kings Landing certainly lends some support to that interpretation.
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