Graduate transfer rule

[blion72]

it is my understanding that this rule was created for players who (most likely are NOT NFL material) want to pursue a grad degree that is NOT offered at their school. it was to be a way for that type of player to get a scholarship and pick up a MS/MA/MBA, etc

what is key, they must be going to a school that has a program that is not at their school. this seems easy enough to do for a small school guy (ie Weber State punter), but for the big school guys, it seems almost impossible, unless you get some type of very specialized mixed degree. even there most big schools are copying each other with academic programs. if you get a very specialized masters, the student (the operative word) must meet the requirements for that program. for example, if you wanted to get an MS in Accounting, it would require several pre-reqs to even get into the program. if you go to a watered down simple generic MA, then that degree is probably offered at the home school, so would not qualify for a transfer.

I am struggling to see how we get so many of these guys. In fact, I am shocked we could have had a GRAD transfer OL from Stanford.

has anyone seen the grad stats for these transfers? what is their graduation rate (for the masters)? I bet that this goes against their graduation stats with the ncaa.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

it is my understanding that this rule was created for players who (most likely are NOT NFL material) want to pursue a grad degree that is NOT offered at their school. it was to be a way for that type of player to get a scholarship and pick up a MS/MA/MBA, etc

what is key, they must be going to a school that has a program that is not at their school. this seems easy enough to do for a small school guy (ie Weber State punter), but for the big school guys, it seems almost impossible, unless you get some type of very specialized mixed degree. even there most big schools are copying each other with academic programs. if you get a very specialized masters, the student (the operative word) must meet the requirements for that program. for example, if you wanted to get an MS in Accounting, it would require several pre-reqs to even get into the program. if you go to a watered down simple generic MA, then that degree is probably offered at the home school, so would not qualify for a transfer.

I am struggling to see how we get so many of these guys. In fact, I am shocked we could have had a GRAD transfer OL from Stanford.

has anyone seen the grad stats for these transfers? what is their graduation rate (for the masters)? I bet that this goes against their graduation stats with the ncaa.

Believe someone posted here in the last 24-36 hours that the grad grad percentage was 33%.....

 

[Ranger Dan]

has anyone seen the grad stats for these transfers

Someone posted this yesterday or today... apparently, 33% of graduate transfers receive their masters degree as a result of the transfer

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Someone posted this yesterday or today... apparently, 33% of graduate transfers receive their masters degree as a result of the transfer

98% of all statistics are made up on the spot


If one kid out of ten actually utilized the "Grad Transfer" rule in college football to get a meaningful graduate degree, I would be SHOCKED!!

 

[novaclassof90]

Who cares what the grad rate is for the fifth year guys. Kid does exactly what he is supposed to do. Graduate in four years. Why not reward him with the flexibility to use his last year wherever he likes. Also, so the kid does not use the fifth year to get his masters. A ton of people take as many as 5-6 years to get a masters.most masters are 30-33 credits. In that year a kid can knock out 15-24 of those credits if he stays all year. If the kid wants to go away and come back in five years to do the rest I do not see this as a negative.

 

[blion72]

Who cares what the grad rate is for the fifth year guys. Kid does exactly what he is supposed to do. Graduate in four years. Why not reward him with the flexibility to use his last year wherever he likes. Also, so the kid does not use the fifth year to get his masters. A ton of people take as many as 5-6 years to get a masters.most masters are 30-33 credits. In that year a kid can knock out 15-24 of those credits if he stays all year. If the kid wants to go away and come back in five years to do the rest I do not see this as a negative.

the theory of the rule was to provide a way for students to pursue grad school toward a degree that is not offered at their home school. it wasn't supposed to be free agency NFL style. I have never heard that this rule was a reward to let a player go where they wanted. it was to go somewhere that did not offer their program, assuming their home school does not.

if you want a no strings attached grad transfer rule, that is fine, but it should be rewritten with a new purpose.

 

[Doc-M]

The rule is liberally applied.

 

[manatree]

What's worse, a graduated student taking a full slate of Grad classes at another school (no matter the academic program) or a graduated fifth year kid staying at their original school but only taking one class just to remain qualified to play?

It's one of the few rules/loopholes that actually favors the kid. I'm all for it.

 

[psuro]

The rule is liberally applied.

Kind of like sunscreen.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Who cares what the grad rate is for the fifth year guys. Kid does exactly what he is supposed to do. Graduate in four years. Why not reward him with the flexibility to use his last year wherever he likes. Also, so the kid does not use the fifth year to get his masters. A ton of people take as many as 5-6 years to get a masters.most masters are 30-33 credits. In that year a kid can knock out 15-24 of those credits if he stays all year. If the kid wants to go away and come back in five years to do the rest I do not see this as a negative.

Agreed.....in so far as it being a potentially good thing for the kid.

From that standpoint, I am all for it (I've said before, if it were up to me .......get rid of ANY restrictions on a kid moving from one school to another....ANYTIME)


The issues I have with it have NOTHING to do with the "Grad Transfer" situation being better or worse for the kid, but only with the INCREDIBLE NCAA hypocrisy - which was evident to a blind cheerleader from the day the "Grad Transfer" nonsense was announced.
Won't even go into all that again....but it does frustrate me when SOOO many people are so gullible/stupid/ignorant to not recognize that part of the equation (NOT saying that is the case with the OP)

 

[Art]

What's worse, a graduated student taking a full slate of Grad classes at another school (no matter the academic program) or a graduated fifth year kid staying at their original school but only taking one class just to remain qualified to play?

It's one of the few rules/loopholes that actually favors the kid. I'm all for it.

Yup, all of those guys are "taking a full slate of Grad classes" and I'm the King of Sweden.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Yup, all of those guys are "taking a full slate of Grad classes" and I'm the King of Sweden.

Arvid Erikkson! I never knew!

 

[LionwiththeDevil]

Yup, all of those guys are "taking a full slate of Grad classes" and I'm the King of Sweden.

You can say the same thing about their undergrad coursework as well. Many/most aren't student athletes anyway but at least here's a rule that rewards you for grabbing that degree in 4 years. A big named basketball coach mentioned he loved the rule because it offered another option for kids who really need to redshirt their freshman year, or make up for a year missed due to injury, encourage them to stay on the right track academically, and then provide them with an option to play their senior years instead of being potentially trapped on the bench their senior seasons. Any rule that favors kids sign me up as a fan.

 

[ellobo]

Here is some food for thought that is not only relevant to this discussion but you might remember the name because he was once committed to PSU:

Ross Douglas announced (today) that he will be using the grad transfer rule to find a new school. Here are 3 factors to consider:

1) The kid graduated in 3 years so obviously he took academics seriously (History major before anyone asks)

2) However, he has made it clear that this is a football related decision as he says he simply wants to play his last two years (he is buried on the depth chart)

3) He says Harbaugh offered him a the opportunity to return as a GA (when his playing days are over which will likely be in 2 years) as the kid wants to go into coaching.

So under these conditions, even though he is not using the rule for it's initial intended purpose, do you think the end result is a case in which the system is working or not working?

 

[manatree]

So under these conditions, even though he is not using the rule for it's initial intended purpose, do you think the end result is a case in which the system is working or not working?

It's fine by me. He finished his degree, let him try somewhere else, get some additional coursework on someone else's dime. Sounds like it's working to me.

 

[psu1969a]

In many cases it is easy to come up with a degree program not offered by, say PSU. Just change a few words and bingo. Important thing is getting their bachelors degree and hopefully a graduate degree.

 

[novaclassof90]

All these grad transfers MUST be enrolled in at least 9 grad credits to be eligible at their new school. Just like an undergrad must be enrolled in 12 credits each semester unless it is their last semester and only require less in order to graduate that term.

 

[Art]

All these grad transfers MUST be enrolled in at least 9 grad credits to be eligible at their new school. Just like an undergrad must be enrolled in 12 credits each semester unless it is their last semester and only require less in order to graduate that term.

ENROLLED and ATTEND are different things, as a previous poster pointed out.

 

[novaclassof90]

A senior undergrad does not have to attend either, so really no difference. Heck, for that matter if Hack knew he was leaving this season, he didn't have to go to any classes either. All students have a choice on whether or not to attend. Wonder if a freshman hoopster like Ben Simmons at LSU who knows he is going to the NBA is going to any spring classes? As long as he is enrolled, he is eligible all season under NCAA rules.

 

[LSL]

it is my understanding that this rule was created for players who (most likely are NOT NFL material) want to pursue a grad degree that is NOT offered at their school. it was to be a way for that type of player to get a scholarship and pick up a MS/MA/MBA, etc

what is key, they must be going to a school that has a program that is not at their school.

I thought that was the rule too but (very) recently learned that it is not. In general, if a kid graduated and has remaining eligibility he can (with the consent of his current school) transfer to any other school to pursue graduate study, even in a program offered by his current school, without sitting out a year.

The "different" academic program requirement only comes into play if the recruit has already previously transferred. In general, players are only allowed to transfer once. That can be before they graduate, in which case they have to sit out a year, or after they've graduated, in which case they are eligible right away. But if a player has already used their one-time transfer, they can qualify for a second transfer to pursue graduate work, but that's where the restriction that it be for a program not offered at the current school kicks in.

A pretty good description of these rules can be found here:
http://www.athleticscholarships.net/ncaa-transfer-exceptions.htm