Gratuitous Corby V Willie Thread

[nittinsc]

If you've never had flash burn on the eyes its an interesting pain. The one thing is for sure if you've ever gotten it you'll never want it again. It feels like someone put sand in your eyes and you cant get it out, it is miserable.
Basically its a sunburn on your cornea.

A few more points:
Long term UV exposure raises risk of cataracts and macular degeneration. I wear contacts and even on a cloudy day the sun bothers my eyes enough that I wear sunglasses.

Welding helmets are a big business for a good reason.

I wouldn't be surprised to see late night TV commercials by attorneys seeking victims of UV light exposure from covid sterilization scenarios. I can hear it now "Have you or a loved one been exposed to UV light from......"

I've had to take several people for emergency eye treatment over the years. The worst was when a subcontractor was pumping Portland cement grout and the hose slipped out of his hand spraying his face. Knocked his safety glasses off and packed grout under his eyelids. The only eyewash we had was the water cooler full of water and lots of ice. We laid him back and flushed until we ran out of water to minimize the caustic effect of the grout. He was fortunate because the regional eye clinic was just two blocks away and they flushed more. He ended up with mild corneal abrasions and the next day off at the hotel.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

If you've never had flash burn on the eyes its an interesting pain. The one thing is for sure if you've ever gotten it you'll never want it again. It feels like someone put sand in your eyes and you cant get it out, it is miserable.
Basically its a sunburn on your cornea.

I had sand thrown in my eyes when horsing around at the beach one night. Should have gone to the ER to get them flushed immediately, but just handled it on my own. Hurt like hell until I flushed them, but then would sporadically hurt a ton whenever leftover grains shifted to a place to irritate me. Went on for about 3-4 days until my eyes were clear.

Forget getting kicked in the nuts - that will incapacitate you of course, but if you’re near sand and want to disable someone, sand in the eyes works about as well as a bullet in my opinion. I was helpless until I could clean them out.

 

[nittinsc]

I had sand thrown in my eyes when horsing around at the beach one night. Should have gone to the ER to get them flushed immediately, but just handled it on my own. Hurt like hell until I flushed them, but then would sporadically hurt a ton whenever leftover grains shifted to a place to irritate me. Went on for about 3-4 days until my eyes were clear.

Forget getting kicked in the nuts - that will incapacitate you of course, but if you’re near sand and want to disable someone, sand in the eyes works about as well as a bullet in my opinion. I was helpless until I could clean them out.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

whether these units are being properly and safely used only by people who who have been properly trained

It seemed clear from Willie's first word description that Corby was tinkering with the Sterilaser trying to get it to work. Not so much clear who, if anyone, asked him to. Pretty darn clear he wasn't trained.

 

[nittinsc]

It seemed clear from Willie's first word description that Corby was tinkering with the Sterilaser trying to get it to work. Not so much clear who, if anyone, asked him to. Pretty darn clear he wasn't trained.

And apparently, neither was Willy. Truly a case of the blind leading the blind.

 

[PAgeologist]

I've had sand and dirt in my eyes several times. The worst for me was I had a bumblebee splatter off my truck mirror with my window down. Parts of it went right in my eye. I'm assuming liquids (blood and stinger toxins) from it did as well. I had 3 nurses look at it and clean out what they could. Next morning my eye was completely shut and covered with eye mucus or whatever it's called. That was horribly painful and worse than the dirt and sand IMO.

 

[PAgeologist]

It seemed clear from Willie's first word description that Corby was tinkering with the Sterilaser trying to get it to work. Not so much clear who, if anyone, asked him to. Pretty darn clear he wasn't trained.

Why would either one of them need to operate it? They're journalists.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Why would either one of them need to operate it? They're journalists.

Need to? ... I would say they were trying to help out any way they could at a low cost quickly setup tournament. Seems like a case of good intentions gone bad.

 

[dunkej01]

I once had issues with my eyes..blurry vision. Optometrist gave me drops.

Put the drops in and drove to SC for a weekend with the guys and wives. Problem is the Optometrist didn't read my chart and gave me something with a penicillin derivative.

I'm allergic to penicillin since a kid when it damn near killed me my mother says.

So I'm in a room at the days inn, basically wanting to rip my eye balls out. Put more drops in because I thought that's what I needed.

It was f***ing awful. Some of the worst pain I ever had. On top of it I'm surrounded by drunk MFrS coming back from the bars wanting to break balls. Took 72 hrs before I could open my eyes for any length of time.

Should have sued the optometrist but that's not how we do it I guess.

I don't need to whip out my D on this message board to prove my ability to handle pain...I can....this ranks right up there. It was awful

 

[GogglesPaizano]

 

[PAgeologist]

Need to? ... I would say they were trying to help out any way they could at a low cost quickly setup tournament. Seems like a case of good intentions gone bad.

Ok. I didn't know the circumstances as to why they were using one.

 

[nittinsc]

I've had sand and dirt in my eyes several times. The worst for me was I had a bumblebee splatter off my truck mirror with my window down. Parts of it went right in my eye. I'm assuming liquids (blood and stinger toxins) from it did as well. I had 3 nurses look at it and clean out what they could. Next morning my eye was completely shut and covered with eye mucus or whatever it's called. That was horribly painful and worse than the dirt and sand IMO.

Bumblebees can be downright scary. I was driving a large box truck on the interstate and a bumblebee flew in the open window and landed between my legs. I was wearing loose-fitting shorts and he was might close to my junk. Thankfully, it was an automatic so I didn't have to worry about shifting. I managed to slow down and very carefully brake to a stop and jumped out before anything bad happened.

BTW Pageologist, I'm a PG.

 

[nittinsc]

I got penicillin plenty of times when I was younger without any adverse reactions. In my early 30's I got a shot in the gluts and waited about 15 minutes before leaving the doctors office. About 15 minutes later, while driving with my GF at the time, I started going into anaphylactic shock. My face turned red and my throat was closing up. We drove straight to the hospital about 10 minutes away and I pulled right up to the ER doors. My GF went in and told then what was going on and I was rushed in and given a shot of epinephrine. I was fine in no time, but sure scared the crap out of me. No telling what miight have happened had I been by myself. Now when I get a questionnaire at a doctor's office I write in big letters, no penicillin- anaphylaxis.

 

[Dogwelder]

Uh oh. We’re showing old-man credentials by talking about our physical ailments. Maybe we should leave that kind of thing to the really old guys. Such as rostered Iowa Hawkeye wrestlers.

 

[Sportfan2017]

While everyone seems focused on the Willie/Corby breakup an important lesson is not getting much play. It appears both Willie and Corby suffered serious eye injuries by what has been called a Sterilaser. I don't know if the equipment being used was a trademarked Sterilaser unit or some other manufacturer's equipment, as there are several surface UV-C sterilizers on the market. By the accounts I've read/listened to, Willie and Corby both suffered a serious case of photokeratitis, of which snow blindness, and welding flash eye damage are similar conditions.

I looked at several websites, including the Sterilaser site and nowhere on the websites did I see any mention of possible eye damage from exposure or recommendations for protective eyewear. Nowhere on any of photos the actual units were there any visible prominent warnings, either. Nor could I find a downloadable manual to review. I'm not ambulance chasing, but these products can be quite dangerous if used improperly. Anyone connected to institutions that have, or may be looking to acquire UV-C sterilizers, should inquire whether these units are being properly and safely used only by people who who have been properly trained and wear protective eyewear, if needed. If you have children involved in wrestling or other sports where mats are used, you know that when it's time to clean mats before, during, after use, the kids are usually the ones doing it. UV-C equipment should not be used casually by the unaware.

I am not certain what the model is called but I am pretty certain it is basically a UV light sterilizer. I had a vacuum that also had UV lights underneath...designed to kill bacteria, fleas and ticks.....which is what I bought it for. Yes.....they sunburned their eyes. It is quite painful and ....if serious enough....could blind you. A high quality UV light will appear dim and you might even think it isn't working properly because you can't see UV. You can see some of the violet that most of them produce but if it is a quality UV source.....there might not be much light visible. It is like staring into the sun or getting that welders burn. The pain is inside your eye and you cant rub it or spray it. Those types of light should be respected and used with care. It is easy to stare at those lights because there is so little visible light coming from them. Don't....they are still giving off lots of invisible UV light. I would say these 3 guys were very lucky. I hope the word gets spread on how they work to prevent similar outcomes or worse. As they probably will be used more frequently during the pandemic .....Educate those on what they have and how they actually work so this won't happen again.

 

[Sportfan2017]

I wonder whether they were doing citizen science to follow up a suggestion:

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light … Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way …"

🤔

Only an uneducated idiot would say something that clueless and dangerous. I hoped their 5th grade science teacher corrected them before they spread that stupidity to the masses.

 

[Sportfan2017]

It seemed clear from Willie's first word description that Corby was tinkering with the Sterilaser trying to get it to work. Not so much clear who, if anyone, asked him to. Pretty darn clear he wasn't trained.

As I stated.....it probably WAS working.......they just thought it wasn't because they don't understand how they work. They shouldn't let those things unattended

 

[Str8DBLz]

Neither. Willie said Corby wanted to fight. Stalemates offered to set it up 'Street League' style. It's reported Corby accepted. Willie isn't interested. Perhaps they couldn't agree on a catch weight.

This card really isnt far off from the ASU vs Michigan match #s

 

[PSU_Pride_93]

The only way Willie and Corby can move on is a PPV event. Tag-team match. No holds barred.
Willie & Corby vs the Sterilyzer

 

[1032004]

While everyone seems focused on the Willie/Corby breakup an important lesson is not getting much play. It appears both Willie and Corby suffered serious eye injuries by what has been called a Sterilaser. I don't know if the equipment being used was a trademarked Sterilaser unit or some other manufacturer's equipment, as there are several surface UV-C sterilizers on the market. By the accounts I've read/listened to, Willie and Corby both suffered a serious case of photokeratitis, of which snow blindness, and welding flash eye damage are similar conditions.

I looked at several websites, including the Sterilaser site and nowhere on the websites did I see any mention of possible eye damage from exposure or recommendations for protective eyewear. Nowhere on any of photos the actual units were there any visible prominent warnings, either. Nor could I find a downloadable manual to review. I'm not ambulance chasing, but these products can be quite dangerous if used improperly. Anyone connected to institutions that have, or may be looking to acquire UV-C sterilizers, should inquire whether these units are being properly and safely used only by people who who have been properly trained and wear protective eyewear, if needed. If you have children involved in wrestling or other sports where mats are used, you know that when it's time to clean mats before, during, after use, the kids are usually the ones doing it. UV-C equipment should not be used casually by the unaware.

The Sterilaser website does have this on the FAQ:

CAN USING THE STERILASER™ HARM PEOPLE?
We've designed the Sterilaser™ with safe operation and maintenance in mind. When used as per the Sterilaser Units Operating Instructions and the targeted pathogens will be the only things harmed.​

However, I don't see the instructions and earlier it says this:

IS ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT SAFE?
Absolutely! Germicidal ultraviolet light is an accepted, safe and reliable way to neutralize unseen organisms, including the tape worms, bacteria, germs and viruses that live and thrive in schools, gyms and offices. Hospitals have safely employed germicidal UV light to sterilize their operating rooms and surgical instruments and many municipalities employ UV light to sterilize their water.​

 

[Sportfan2017]

The Sterilaser website does have this on the FAQ:

CAN USING THE STERILASER™ HARM PEOPLE?​

We've designed the Sterilaser™ with safe operation and maintenance in mind. When used as per the Sterilaser Units Operating Instructions and the targeted pathogens will be the only things harmed.​

However, I don't see the instructions and earlier it says this:

IS ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT SAFE?​

Absolutely! Germicidal ultraviolet light is an accepted, safe and reliable way to neutralize unseen organisms, including the tape worms, bacteria, germs and viruses that live and thrive in schools, gyms and offices. Hospitals have safely employed germicidal UV light to sterilize their operating rooms and surgical instruments and many municipalities employ UV light to sterilize their water.​

Seriously....
nowhere in their info was it mentioned that UV light is harmful to your eyes and you should not be looking at the UV bulbs when on? They imply that only the targeted pathogens will be harmed....but does that mean if you flip it over to clean or check the bulbs that YOU become the harmed pathogen. Get Tikk10 on the line...Pronto

 

[nittinsc]

Seriously.....did nowhere in their info was it mentioned that UV light is harmful to your eyes and you should not be looking at the UV bulbs when on? The imply that only the targeted pathogens will be harmed....but does that mean if you flip it over to clean or check the bulbs that YOU become the harmed pathogen. Get Tikk10 on the line...Pronto

Well that's all that I could find, as well, and I even tried googling for a third party pdf of the manual with no luck. I'd bet they have signs in the manufacturing facility that say "Don't look at the lights". I imagine hospitals might have signs for their operating rooms, etc. saying "Do not enter UV sterilization in progress". In an era of "an abundance of caution" not mentioning eye protection is pretty crazy.

 

[Sportfan2017]

Well that's all that I could find, as well, and I even tried googling for a third party pdf of the manual with no luck. I'd bet they have signs in the manufacturing facility that say "Don't look at the lights". I imagine hospitals might have signs for their operating rooms, etc. saying "Do not enter UV sterilization in progress". In an era of "an abundance of caution" not mentioning eye protection is pretty crazy.

Tell Corby and the boys they might have a viable lawsuit. Strong UV light is as dangerous to your eyes as X-rays are to your body in greater quantity. They absolutely have warning signs in the X-ray areas. My son got tested every week for radiation levels as a Navy Nuke. Too high and you were off work.

 

[Dogwelder]

… an important lesson is not getting much play. It appears both Willie and Corby suffered serious eye injuries … nowhere on the websites did I see any mention of possible eye damage from exposure or recommendations for protective eyewear …

The Sterilaser website does have this …

IS ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT SAFE? Absolutely! …​

… Get Tikk10 on the line...Pronto

Great work, guys! No joke. You are honorary Erin Brockoviches!

 

[El-Jefe]

Get Tikk10 on the line...Pronto

Misspelled Flo Karen.

 

[Dogwelder]

When Corby and Willie sue the laser company, and they point out that the laser broke them up, can they thereby claim damages for loss of consortium? 🤔

 

[Sportfan2017]

When Corby and Willie sue the laser company, and they point out that the laser broke them up, can they thereby claim damages for loss of consortium? 🤔

Forcing me to look up the word consortium at midnight........not cool prick

 

[nittinsc]

When Corby and Willie sue the laser company, and they point out that the laser broke them up, can they thereby claim damages for loss of consortium? 🤔

Not when Sterilaser counter sues Willie for claiming on TFW that their product injured Willie and Corby if it was made by another company. Need to check if this was a Kleenex or someone else's facial tissue.

 

[tikk10]

I don't do personal injury or product liability but I am curious, if Willie mentioned on the show, exactly how the injury occurred. I've seen these machines being used and am having trouble imagining how the rays became visible to anyone's eyes, much less two media guys who probably weren't even operating the device, especially if the device was being operated properly.

 

[tikk10]

Never mind, I found.

Willie asserted Corby was upset that he didn't check up enough on him after his eyes were burned when "troubleshooting" the wrestling mat Sterilaser.

I don't know enough to speculate in much depth but I'll guess that the device came with instructions and warnings, which weren't heeded. I'll also guess Corby didn't own the device, so why would he have seen instructions, much less heeded them.

Back in art school we used to create tiny stencils on an index card, tape that to a photo flash, and then pop ourselves with, say, the word CAKE, which word wouldn't disappear for at least an hour, having been temporarily burned into our retinas. We were stupid, but at least we had the excuse of being college students.

But UV rays are serious business and can do real damage. So I have to imagine the device has warnings on it, but I don't know. They seem a bit like lawnmowers. Most people know to turn them off before attempting to change the blades, but I'm sure the instructions reiterate as much nevertheless.

The thing with those UV mat disinfecters is that it's foreseeable, likely even, that non-owners would use them, so there'd need to be proper signage on the device itself. No idea if that's the case.

 

[PSUbluTX]

Damn. Another good wrestling thread hijacked by science.

 

[Dogwelder]

Damn. Another good wrestling thread hijacked by science.

Ha ha! Good One! We can all agree that Corby V Willie is the best topic for a good wrestling thread!

 

[rmg78]

I don't do personal injury or product liability but I am curious, if Willie mentioned on the show, exactly how the injury occurred. I've seen these machines being used and am having trouble imagining how the rays became visible to anyone's eyes, much less two media guys who probably weren't even operating the device, especially if the device was being operated properly.

He did mention that Corby was sitting on the ground screwing around with the device trying to get it to work.

 

[Psugo823]

Another wanted a dedicated place for this to avoid polluting other threads, so here it is.

I did listen to the entire 'First word' and read Corby's comments in it. I also read some wrestling board comments from each. Willie said he's done talking about it.

It is what it is, and I believe it is necessary and unfortunate.

What mat is this match on?

 

[smalls103]

What mat is this match on?

83

 

[82bordeaux]

Old video of Corby operating a mousetrap.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

I guess you can lump all the Flo guys together but he’s beefed with a lot of them separately; Pyles, Nomad, Askren, now Corby.

What’s even more interesting is the way he completely turns on someone over something. Another person is either all in or all out with him. It’s black and white thinking and it’s quite an unhealthy way to relate to other people. In fact, it’s typical of several personality disorders. Of course, you can’t diagnose from afar, but that way of thinking is suggestive of a deeper pathology.

Willie attending a wrestling event:

 

[johnstownsteel]

I once had issues with my eyes..blurry vision. Optometrist gave me drops.

Put the drops in and drove to SC for a weekend with the guys and wives. Problem is the Optometrist didn't read my chart and gave me something with a penicillin derivative.

I'm allergic to penicillin since a kid when it damn near killed me my mother says.

So I'm in a room at the days inn, basically wanting to rip my eye balls out. Put more drops in because I thought that's what I needed.

It was f***ing awful. Some of the worst pain I ever had. On top of it I'm surrounded by drunk MFrS coming back from the bars wanting to break balls. Took 72 hrs before I could open my eyes for any length of time.

Should have sued the optometrist but that's not how we do it I guess.

I don't need to whip out my D on this message board to prove my ability to handle pain...I can....this ranks right up there. It was awful

The absolute worst pain I’ve ever experienced in my life was a scratched cornea and it happened 3 times. I have a bad habit of rubbing my eyes with my contacts in. Each time I had to go to hospital the pain was so brutal. The eye drops they put in your eye is like a gift from God. The pain goes away instantly. I’ve found if you can get home, go to sleep before it wears off that the eye can make a great recovery and by the time I wake up it’s already started the healing process and the pain is minor compared to when first happened. One time,it wore off and was unable to go back to sleep so I went back to hospital for more drops. They told me in ER they couldn’t give it to me again in such a short amount of time. I literally begged them. Hell, I may have been crying while I doing it. Lol. They wouldn’t do it so I went to another hospital down half hour away for them. Lol

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Only an uneducated idiot would say something that clueless and dangerous. I hoped their 5th grade science teacher corrected them before they spread that stupidity to the masses.

"We ran that guy off and replaced him with this idiot. "You know,there's a uh,during WWII,uh,you know,where Roosevelt came up with a thing,uh,that uh,you know,was totally different than the,the,it's called,he called it the,you know,the WWII, he had the war-the war production board."

We have some very stupid people calling our shots these days. I guess it goes to show that "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids"

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

The absolute worst pain I’ve ever experienced in my life was a scratched cornea and it happened 3 times. I have a bad habit of rubbing my eyes with my contacts in. Each time I had to go to hospital the pain was so brutal. The eye drops they put in your eye is like a gift from God. The pain goes away instantly. I’ve found if you can get home, go to sleep before it wears off that the eye can make a great recovery and by the time I wake up it’s already started the healing process and the pain is minor compared to when first happened. One time,it wore off and was unable to go back to sleep so I went back to hospital for more drops. They told me in ER they couldn’t give it to me again in such a short amount of time. I literally begged them. Hell, I may have been crying while I doing it. Lol. They wouldn’t do it so I went to another hospital down half hour away for them. Lol

I zipped my junk up once, ONCE.

Seriously, been flashburned dozens of times over decades of welding. Tig is the worst, then mig, then stick. The shielding gas really does a number on you.

When I was in early 20’s I had a drill bit break in half and pierce my eyeball, I literally felt the fluid run out. Bit didnt stick in it, but the damage was done.
My eyes have had a rough life.
I have limited experience with laser steel cutting and know you just DONT DO IT without dark glasses. Shiny stainless steel actually comes with a plastic removable coating to prevent the damage from reflection from laser cutting.

Best weld flash relief is take a cold soda can, turn it sideways and hold it up in the socket. Then take several shots of your favorite bourbon.