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To sum ... a bunch of old white dudes gather to blast one of the more respected artists of a different genre of music, using old stereotypes to do so, and even admitting that they're old and white ... and the accusation is that I brought the race card into this. You're cute and stupid. Go away.
Nah. I’ll stay. Thanks tho
 
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Ever hear of sarcasm? Rap being a genre of “music” is absolutely hilarious. Yeah this old white dude is “cute and stupid” for liking Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, and other black artists who had/have talent.
He was trying so hard to make everyone that doesn’t care for rap an automatic racist.
 
I’m an old white dude. I like what I like in music (a somewhat wide variety) and won’t apologize for it.
Rap doesn’t cut it for me. More “noise” than “music” to my ears. Obviously millions of people who disagree. I have no problem with that. To each their own.
I watched maybe the first minute last night. Didn’t care for it. Couldn’t make out what the guy was saying. So I headed for the kitchen for some snacks. I know the Blue Band would have held my attention at least a bit longer.
 
I think Up With People must have already been booked for the evening.

Seriously, all the great music to be found in New Orleans and this is what they put out there? At least Trombone Shorty got to play a wonderful rendition of America the Beautiful before the game.

I type this as I listen to The Revivalists, one if my favorite bands who happens to be from NOLA.

The pregame show blew the halftime show out of the water in terms of entertainment value for me. They had Trombone Shorty and an HBCU marching band perform with some others. That should have been the halftime show.
 
We had the halftime show on but I did not personally see much of the performances myself. Some of the younger people seemed to enjoy the halftime show as much as or more than the actual game.

I think that we can all agree that the Superbowl attracts a very broad demographic. With that in mind, I wonder how the demographics of the people who enjoyed the halftime show compares to the total audience demographic of the Superbowl viewers.

I wonder how inclusive the selections for the halftime entertainment for the Superbowl actually was.....
 
I could only stomach a few seconds of the halftime show. What I saw came as no surprise. "Woke" is alive and well despite representing the interests of only a small fraction of our overall society.

It is a far cry from the art of my era, which was Disco, Motown, etc. Those songs for the most part were respectable and melodious. The lyrics were delivered by people with a voice who could sing. Today's stuff is relative trash by comparison. Pretty much just moaning into a microphone. I have no idea what this generation sees in it, but the corporate types do wish to appease them for sure. They are certainly not catering to an older generation -- probably most of the people that could afford the $5,000 ticket.
 
I’m an old white dude. I like what I like in music (a somewhat wide variety) and won’t apologize for it.
Rap doesn’t cut it for me. More “noise” than “music” to my ears. Obviously millions of people who disagree. I have no problem with that. To each their own.
I watched maybe the first minute last night. Didn’t care for it. Couldn’t make out what the guy was saying. So I headed for the kitchen for some snacks. I know the Blue Band would have held my attention at least a bit longer.
rap is not music. it is talking in rhythm, not music. just my opinion.
 
Many a true word is spoken in jest.

Regardless, Keith is old. His synapses are shutting down (aided by all the coke, heroin and booze he abused). He fails to remember how much criticism the Stones got for their "music" back in the day. Then again, Richards has long been an old man yelling at clouds, having blasted heavy metal (specifically Metallica and Black Sabbath), rock 'n roll, the Beatles ... and just about anything and everything. But that's cool if you think you should take your lead from a guy who thought shooting heroin into his veins was a good idea.
I admit I am an old white guy who found the halftime show lacking. You seem to be up on rap, so I have a question for you. Why is the murder rate so high for rap stars?
 
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I could only stomach a few seconds of the halftime show. What I saw came as no surprise. "Woke" is alive and well despite representing the interests of only a small fraction of our overall society.

It is a far cry from the art of my era, which was Disco, Motown, etc. Those songs for the most part were respectable and melodious. The lyrics were delivered by people with a voice who could sing. Today's stuff is relative trash by comparison. Pretty much just moaning into a microphone. I have no idea what this generation sees in it, but the corporate types do wish to appease them for sure. They are certainly not catering to an older generation -- probably most of the people that could afford the $5,000 ticket.
Tell us what was "woke" about that show, scoobs?

Oddly enough, most folks would laugh at you calling disco "art," as it is widely disrespected.

I appreciate disco, motown and rap (and many other genres of music). It's not at all mutually exclusive. But Kendrick's music is FAR more cerebral than your typical disco or motown song.

Your characterization of Kendrick's music as "pretty much moaning into a microphone" is utterly ridiculous. You know the guy has a Pulitzer Prize for his music, right? Now is where you bash that as being "woke." He has Grammys on top of Grammys.
 
Ever hear of sarcasm? Rap being a genre of “music” is absolutely hilarious. Yeah this old white dude is “cute and stupid” for liking Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, and other black artists who had/have talent.
As far as I'm concerned every Super Bowl halftime show should be a repeat on big screen of Whitney Houston's iconic halftime show from years ago. Maybe once in a while throw in Michael Jackson's show just for variety. These two shows should be played every year instead of infantile rapper nonsense. Anyone who things that yesterday's halftime show was entertaining is an idiot.
 
As far as I'm concerned every Super Bowl halftime show should be a repeat on big screen of Whitney Houston's iconic halftime show from years ago. Maybe once in a while throw in Michael Jackson's show just for variety. These two shows should be played every year instead of infantile rapper nonsense. Anyone who things that yesterday's halftime show was entertaining is an idiot.

So you want 2 people who died from drugs (and 1 who likely was a pedophile) celebrated, but not the guy that was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for his music? Maybe you want to add R.Kelly, P.Diddy and Sandusky in there, too?
 
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So you don’t know what it is? Ignorance and prejudgments? Hmm .. I wonder what those are hallmarks of?
It's not ignorance nor prejudice. You just don't know when to shut up with your stupid bs. Fact is, rappers/hip hop have the highest mortality rate among all genres of music. Their average life expectancy is 25-30 years of age.

It appears, once again, you're not as smart as you think you are. You simply argue with everyone.

 
It's not ignorance nor prejudice. You just don't know when to shut up with your stupid bs. Fact is, rappers/hip hop have the highest mortality rate among all genres of music. Their average life expectancy is 25-30 years of age.

It appears, once again, you're not as smart as you think you are. You simply argue with everyone.


LOL ... poor Hotturd. No one said rappers don't have a higher rate of death by homicide ... I simply asked for proof of what that rate was. I figured, if someone was going to make the accusation, they'd have the facts, right? Otherwise, it IS ignorance and prejudgment. That is simply fact.

Nothing you provided disproved this. I know this will be entirely lost on you, due in large part, to your documented anger management issue.

But you did, at least, provide a source which tends to show a very high murder rate (assuming it's true - I have no idea what populations they pulled this from). So, why do you think that is? I'd assume it's due to their backgrounds - a lot of rappers come from bad situations, and this is their chosen way to make it out ... and sometimes they don't make it. Sometimes they even become more of a target, because of their success.

It's also worth noting that this is a comparative cause of death chart, and hip-hop is a fairly new musical genre. Fewer rappers have even had a "chance" to die from heart-related causes, or cancer, or other causes associated with aging, as compared to some other genres. Rakim, for example, is one of the earlier pioneers and "stars," and he's 57. So we haven't even gone through the first cycle of rap stars to reach "retirement age," whereas we have walking corpses still performing rock 'n roll (the ones that haven't kicked the bucket). The average rapper's age ... and I mean, of all rappers, past and current (including age of those who died ... if they would have continued to live), is probably in the 30's or 40's, given the rise in popularity of the genre. Maybe lower. So one would expect that bucket weighting to naturally flatten out as the first batch of rappers enter "old age" and start succumbing to the various maladies that eventually take us all.

Then again, I just looked at a list of "rap stars" that are listed as having been murdered ... and most of those people weren't anything close to stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_hip-hop_musicians Regardless, I personally like when people make it out of bad situations ... do you? Do you think rap gets them into murderous situations that they otherwise wouldn't be in? Or do you think rap, more often than not, provides them with an avenue out?
 
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LOL ... poor Hotturd. No one said rappers don't have a higher rate of death by homicide ... I simply asked for proof of what that rate was. I figured, if someone was going to make the accusation, they'd have the facts, right? Otherwise, it IS ignorance and prejudgment. That is simply fact.

Nothing you provided disproved this. I know this will be entirely lost on you, due in large part, to your documented anger management issue.

But you did, at least, provide a source which tends to show a very high murder rate (assuming it's true - I have no idea what populations they pulled this from). So, why do you think that is? I'd assume it's due to their backgrounds - a lot of rappers come from bad situations, and this is their chosen way to make it out ... and sometimes they don't make it. Sometimes they even become more of a target, because of their success.

It's also worth noting that this is a comparative cause of death chart, and hip-hop is a fairly new musical genre. Fewer rappers have even had a "chance" to die from heart-related causes, or cancer, or other causes associated with aging, as compared to some other genres. Rakim, for example, is one of the earlier pioneers and "stars," and he's 57. So we haven't even gone through the first cycle of rap stars to reach "retirement age," whereas we have walking corpses still performing rock 'n roll (the ones that haven't kicked the bucket). The average rapper's age ... and I mean, of all rappers, past and current (including age of those who died ... if they would have continued to live), is probably in the 30's or 40's, given the rise in popularity of the genre. Maybe lower. So one would expect that bucket weighting to naturally flatten out as the first batch of rappers enter "old age" and start succumbing to the various maladies that eventually take us all.

Then again, I just looked at a list of "rap stars" that are listed as having been murdered ... and most of those people weren't anything close to stars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murdered_hip-hop_musicians Regardless, I personally like when people make it out of bad situations ... do you? Do you think rap gets them into murderous situations that they otherwise wouldn't be in? Or do you think rap, more often than not, provides them with an avenue out?
Thanks for proving my point. No, you actually made an untrue accusation against the poster. Once a dick, always a dick. No wonder everyone puts you on ignore.
 
For me a Super Bowl Half Time Show should be super high energy and a show. It is not things I like to hear but you need to entertain. Shows that I have seen that were good, Lady Gaga, Rianna, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce and Bruno Mars, Katy Perry, Pink and shows like those. I have been to two Super Bowls and saw the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen and don't remember anything about the shows.

It has to be visually interesting. The music is almost secondary.

I did not find last night's interesting. It did seem long.
 
Thanks for proving my point. No, you actually made an untrue accusation against the poster. Once a dick, always a dick. No wonder everyone puts you on ignore.

And here's Hotturd's anger management issue rearing its head again. No untrue accusations were made by me. Again, he stated a claim ... I didn't dispute the claim, I asked him to support his claim (i.e. show actual knowledge). He couldn't or wouldn't. So I rightfully stated it was born from ignorance and prejudgment. If said claim was ultimately true or not is inconsequential.

See how logic works? Now, you try (for once).

You saw I posted, you got enraged, and you forgot to think before storming off in yet another failed attempt to "get me." Let's see if you see the error of your ways and apologize for flying off the handle. Yet again.
 
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I feel that Prince was the best halftime show ever, so that means I am definitely not racist.

With that said, last night was pretty "Turrible"!
 
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Ever hear of sarcasm? Rap being a genre of “music” is absolutely hilarious. Yeah this old white dude is “cute and stupid” for liking Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, and other black artists who had/have talent.
LOL. You cite one guy who's been dead for 50 years, and another that's about to turn 90 ... and then "other black artists" and this is your best attempt to show that you're not clueless and out of touch? I heard a rumor there might be 1/100th black in Beethoven's bloodline ... maybe you can cite him, too?


For distinguished musical composition by an American that has had its first performance or recording in the United States during the year, Fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000).

DAMN., by Kendrick Lamar​


Recording released on April 14, 2017, a virtuosic song collection unified by its vernacular authenticity and rhythmic dynamism that offers affecting vignettes capturing the complexity of modern African-American life.

DAMN.​

By Kendrick Lamar

Storytelling has been Lamar’s greatest skill and most primary mission, to put into (lots of) words what it's like to grow up as he did—to articulate, in human terms, the intimate specifics of daily self-defense from your surroundings. Somehow, he’s gotten better.
-- Matthew Trammell, Pitchfork
 
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How’d I know the old white folks would be on here, befuddled? The extended family group chat was just like you guys. I just laughed.

Of course, I grew up on rap and R&B, and Kendrick’s a talented artist. My son has his poster up in his room, and I think I know more Kendrick songs than he does.

The show itself wasn’t as high energy as you’d want at a Super Bowl … that’s not his vibe, so I actually thought it was an odd choice. But I respect him as an artist. The Dr. Dre (and friends) show was an absolutely perfect halftime show. This was just OK.
I'm always intrigued when people perform and you have to google a songs lyrics to understand a word they're speaking. Even in my youth, the only rap I liked was what I understood the lyrics. The kids watching with me last night told me I was better off not knowing the words!
 
I’m an old white dude. I like what I like in music (a somewhat wide variety) and won’t apologize for it.
Rap doesn’t cut it for me. More “noise” than “music” to my ears. Obviously millions of people who disagree. I have no problem with that. To each their own.
I watched maybe the first minute last night. Didn’t care for it. Couldn’t make out what the guy was saying. So I headed for the kitchen for some snacks. I know the Blue Band would have held my attention at least a bit longer.
Rap is just fine as far as I am concerned. Real rap, that is...

That shit last night is not real rap, it's Gen Z mumble rap and it's not even close to actual music in any way shape or form. That was horrible.
 
I'm always intrigued when people perform and you have to google a songs lyrics to understand a word they're speaking. Even in my youth, the only rap I liked was what I understood the lyrics. The kids watching with me last night told me I was better off not knowing the words!
You might have an auditory processing disorder. While I can't always get every word (just like I can't on many pop or rock songs) most are intelligible, unless he goes on one of his faster chops, or he's using slang with which I'm not familiar (which does happen more frequently as I age). He's actually a great lyricist ... he's a pretty thoughtful cat.
 
Rap is just fine as far as I am concerned. Real rap, that is...

That shit last night is not real rap, it's Gen Z mumble rap and it's not even close to actual music in any way shape or form. That was horrible.
Kendrick isn't even close to Gen Z mumble rap. Oy. You're clueless.
 
So you don’t know what it is? Ignorance and prejudgments? Hmm .. I wonder what those are hallmarks of?

And here's Hotturd's anger management issue rearing its head again. No untrue accusations were made by me. Again, he stated a claim ... I didn't dispute the claim, I asked him to support his claim (i.e. show actual knowledge). He couldn't or wouldn't. So I rightfully stated it was born from ignorance and prejudgment. If said claim was ultimately true or not is inconsequential.

See how logic works? Now, you try (for once).

You saw I posted, you got enraged, and you forgot to think before storming off in yet another failed attempt to "get me." Let's see if you see the error of your ways and apologize for flying off the handle. Yet again.
Otherwise, it IS ignorance and prejudgment. That is simply fact.

I did not know that the statistics that Hotshoe pulled up even existed. The murder rate can be deduced by simply observing the news. That is what I judged. The actual stats are more skewed than I thought.
 
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Otherwise, it IS ignorance and prejudgment. That is simply fact.

I did not know that the statistics that Hotshoe pulled up even existed. The murder rate can be deduced by simply observing the news. That is what I judged. The actual stats are more skewed than I thought.
At least you admitted to your ignorance and prejudgment.

Also, if you read my response to Hotturd, the data doesn't say what you think it says ... because even the oldest rappers aren't geriatric, yet, which necessarily skews the information.
 
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Again, mumbling words you cant even understand which they call a song, and grabbing parts of their body for the entire audience to see, including children. Now, that's todays entertainment.

You wonder why violence is so bad in our cities!
 
Again, mumbling words you cant even understand which they call a song, and grabbing parts of their body for the entire audience to see, including children. Now, that's todays entertainment.

You wonder why violence is so bad in our cities!
Please, please tell me you were shaking your fist and looking at a cloud when you posted this.

If this kind of crazy is hereditary, your father or grandfather was probably yelling that civil unrest in this country was caused by Elvis swiveling his hips and Little Richard singing "Tutti Frutti."
 
Was not in my wheelhouse which is fine - I have volume control on my remote - was more disappointed in the commercials which I thought were mostly average at best.
 
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For halftime shows there is Prince, and then there is everyone else. No one even comes close to his performance.
I didn’t care for this years, but I won’t call it the worst. I like rap, but his music isn’t my style. As for people complaining they didn’t know what he was saying, what are your thoughts on Pearl Jam? Eddie Vedder sings like he has 26 marbles in his mouth. I like PJ, but I can’t understand him for the life of me.
 
Totally sucked. I would rather watch a chorus of randomly picked third graders than the trash presented last night. The singer had no talent whatsoever. Couldn't sing. Couldn't dance. Totally useless.
Yeah I agree, it was total trash. The rap/hip hop halftime shows are pretty unbearable to me, just not my cup of tea. The half time shows have been pretty awful the last decade or so. They really need to re-evaluate their approach in the future and try something different. It’s the most cringe part of the entire game
 
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