Hasn't been discussed, but Snyder looked far less than "unbeatable" in B1G Champ match

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

In fact, he looked very beatable late in the 3rd had Medbery been able to keep it a little closer going into the period. The last TD by Medbery to make it 7-5 was accomplished with very little resistance from Snyder. If Medbery can figure out a way to get into the 3rd period within a couple points, he may well beat Snyder -- Medbery looks heavier, stronger and thicker than Gwiz, especially in his legs and core (i.e., hips) and Snyder looked pretty spent late in the 3rd, more so than in the Gwiz match.

Anyone out there really think Snyder looked "unbeatable" in that match, especially given the way it ended??? If so, I don't know what they were watching - I was shocked how well Medbery did in that match and it has to give him tremendous confidence heading into NCAAs with quite a bit of useful knowledge that he can take with him to help tweek his strategy.

 

[Guilsh]

I personally do still think Snyder is unbeatable. Medbery did wrestle great, I just think Snyder is way to slick on his feet!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I personally do still think Snyder is unbeatable. Medbery did wrestle great, I just think Snyder is way to slick on his feet!

Didn't look great on his feet in the 3rd period.....quite the opposite in fact.

 

[Real-Lion]

In fact, he looked very beatable late in the 3rd had Medbery been able to keep it a little closer going into the period. The last TD by Medbery to make it 7-5 was accomplished with very little resistance from Snyder. If Medbery can figure out a way to get into the 3rd period within a couple points, he may well beat Snyder -- Medbery looks heavier, stronger and thicker than Gwiz, especially in his legs and core (i.e., hips) and Snyder looked pretty spent late in the 3rd, more so than in the Gwiz match.

Anyone out there really think Snyder looked "unbeatable" in that match, especially given the way it ended??? If so, I don't know what they were watching - I was shocked how well Medbery did in that match and it has to give him tremendous confidence heading into NCAAs with quite a bit of useful knowledge that he can take with him to help tweek his strategy.

Medberry is very strong...If Nick hits the weights really HARD and adds 15 to 20 pounds of good weight he will give Snyder all he can handle !!!!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Zain and Jason looked far more "untouchable" at B1Gs than Snyder.....far more!

 

[purescurve]

maybe if nn wouldn't let snyder to his legs he might have a chance.

 

[diggerpup]

I think sometimes fans forget how close the Snyder v Gwiz finals were last year.

Gwiz had Snyder controlled and beaten for 6 plus mins until Snyder tapped into his superhuman side.

It's not impossible for Medbury to wrestle a similar match to Gwiz in St Louis.

 

[ClarkstonMark]

I agree the last takedown Snyder showed little resistance. But there was like 10 seconds left and the match was over.
IMO Snyder looked fine. He will look even better at NCAA's.
I would expect two TF and two majors on his way to final.

 

[LemonPie]

My only takeaway is that if Snyder gets caught in a 4 or 6 point move, Medbery might have the tools to fend him off the rest of the way. Just not something I ever see happening though.

 

[RoarLions1]

Am I the only one that thinks the Snyder / Medbery match was one-sided? Maybe the score surprised a few, but Kyle was never in trouble.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I think sometimes fans forget how close the Snyder v Gwiz finals were last year.

Gwiz had Snyder controlled and beaten for 6 plus mins until Snyder tapped into his superhuman side.

It's not impossible for Medbury to wrestle a similar match to Gwiz in St Louis.

Agreed. Gwiz is not as heavy or as strong as Medbery - I do think he is a better technical wrestler than Medbery, but Snyder looked more spent at the end of the Medbery match than against Gwiz. I have a feeling Medbery's additional weight/strength (which is mostly middle- and lower-body muscle....Medbery is as thick as a redwood through his core and legs - muscle denser than fat, so Medbery is probably heavier than he looks) is what caused Snyder to be so tired in the 3rd. Had Medbery gone into the 3rd a little closer, I think he wins that match as he had Snyder spent.

 

[tomsc]

Am I the only one that thinks the Snyder / Medbery match was one-sided? Maybe the score surprised a few, but Kyle was never in trouble.

No, you're not the only one. That's the way I saw it too. As someone else posted, Snyder didn't seem to give much resistance on late TD b/c match was in essence over. If that had been a meaningful TD he would have resisted more. I don't see anyone touching Snyder at NCAA's. Medbery could keep it to a reg decision, but not really threaten IMO.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No, you're not the only one. That's the way I saw it too. As someone else posted, Snyder didn't seem to give much resistance on late TD b/c match was in essence over. If that had been a meaningful TD he would have resisted more. I don't see anyone touching Snyder at NCAA's. Medbery could keep it to a reg decision, but not really threaten IMO.

Not really. Your scenario is not consistent with what transpired. Snyder is the party who shot (a very weak, non-explosive and "tired" shot that didn't even come remotely close to being deep enough) - Snyder did attempt to resist Medbery getting the TD, but his resistance was pretty feeble as Medbery easily stuffed his head and "flattened" him out with his sprawl....then he easily spun-around behind for 2. If Snyder was content to leave the scoring at 7-3, had effectively stopped wrestling and was just letting the clock run out, things would not have gone as the did which doesn't even remotely match your description (i.e., Snyder did not "stop wrestling" as you claim - complete BS description of what transpired). Had Medbery gone into the period slightly closer, Snyder easily could have lost that match as he looked "beat" in the 3rd Period, but was able to "hang-on" to the lead.

 

[tomsc]

Not really. Your scenario is not consistent with what transpired. Snyder is the party who shot (a very weak, non-explosive and "tired" shot that didn't even come remotely close to being deep enough) - Snyder did attempt to resist Medbery getting the TD, but his resistance was pretty feeble as Medbery easily stuffed his head and "flattened" him out with his sprawl....then he easily spun-around behind for 2. If Snyder was content to leave the scoring at 7-3, had effectively stopped wrestling and was just letting the clock run out, things would not have gone as the did which doesn't even remotely match your description (i.e., Snyder did not "stop wrestling" as you claim - complete BS description of what transpired). Had Medbery gone into the period slightly closer, Snyder easily could have lost that match as he looked "beat" in the 3rd Period, but was able to "hang-on" to the lead.

I'll have to watch it again. Sorry if I offended you.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I think sometimes fans forget how close the Snyder v Gwiz finals were last year.

Gwiz had Snyder controlled and beaten for 6 plus mins until Snyder tapped into his superhuman side.

It's not impossible for Medbury to wrestle a similar match to Gwiz in St Louis.

BTW, Medbery is built almost identically to a PSU All-American HWT (that also was a starting DE on the football team) when I was at PSU - Steve Sefter. Sefter was built almost identically to Medbery - was about 6'2", but built like a tree-trunk and solid muscle with just massive legs. Given Medbery's "density" and "thickness", I bet he weighs a lot more than people think based simply on his height - he has massive legs and core strength/density.

 

[Grass]

The match was closer than expected, but Snyder was never in danger of losing. I agree that he looked pretty tired in the 3rd which I assume had a lot to do with the strength and weight of Medbery.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The match was closer than expected, but Snyder was never in danger of losing. I agree that he looked pretty tired in the 3rd which I assume had a lot to do with the strength and weight of Medbery.

Agree - Medbery was not close enough going into the 3rd, but Snyder looked vulnerable had the score been closer going into the period. The match had to give Medbery confidence and quite a bit of good information that he can use to tweek his strategy at NCAA's.

 

[WildTurk]

I remember Telford and Medberry having some great matches over the years. Hard to believe Medberry is still in college. Old Fella! Snyder beats him 10 times out of 10 in championship matches. But props to Connor for getting that late takedown to make it seem closer than it really was.

 

[greenmanRD]

Snyder isn't losing again in his college career (which hopefully ends a year early for our sake), Medbery looked so outclassed the first 2 periods.

 

[psuflyguy]

The only way I see Snyder losing is to get caught. He's just too much better on his feet than everyone else.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Snyder isn't losing again in his college career (which hopefully ends a year early for our sake), Medbery looked so outclassed the first 2 periods.

Medbery gave up 3 TDs and the most he trailed by at any point was 6-2. The final was 8-5 with the RT point. I think your description is a bit gratuitous given that Snyder never even remotely sniffed majoring Medbery.... In addition, Snyder looked anything but dominant in the 3rd Period - they went into the 3rd period 4-1 and Medbery outscored Snyder 4-3 in the period (final was 8-5 with the RT-point).

 

[greenmanRD]

Medbery gave up 3 TDs and the most he trailed by at any point was 6-2. The final was 8-5 with the RT point. I think your description is a bit gratuitous given that Snyder never even remotely sniffed majoring Medbery.... In addition, Snyder looked anything but dominant in the 3rd Period - they went into the 3rd period 4-1 and Medbery outscored Snyder 4-3 in the period (final was 8-5 with the RT-point).

You seem focused on one period of a 3 period match, and it's the only one Snyder didn't outscore Medbery in, wonder why you focus on that?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You seem focused on one period of a 3 period match, and it's the only one Snyder didn't outscore Medbery in, wonder why you focus on that?

Probably because Snyder's wrestling fell off dramatically in the 3rd period - why do you suppose that would be? Wouldn't be because he got fatigued due to Medbery's size and strength would it? Could I hear all your explanations for how losing the 3rd period is prototypical evidence of how "dominant" he was throughout the match that ended 8-5 and where Snyder never even remotely sniffed majoring Medbery??? This should be good.....

 

[Guilsh]

As many have stated already, Snyder was in no jeopardy of losing that match. Kudos to Medbery for keeping it close, but who really cares if medbery outscored him in the 3rd period. I think IF Medbery can make it to the NCAA finals that it won't be that close. Snyder is a monster.

 

[greenmanRD]

Probably because Snyder's wrestling fell off dramatically in the 3rd period - why do you suppose that would be? Wouldn't be because he got fatigued due to Medbery's size and strength would it? Could I hear all your explanations for how losing the 3rd period is prototypical evidence of how "dominant" he was throughout the match that ended 8-5 and where Snyder ever even remotely sniffed majoring Medbery??? This should be good.....

Snyder did outclass Medbery, at what point was Medbery remotely close to Snyder? Of the 5 points he scored, 3 of them were escape points, it's not like he really pushed Snyder to the limit here. Let's be realistic with ourselves. Gwiz was far closer to Snyder than Medbery. It's similar in how the Lizak/Suriano match went earlier this year, Lizak only lost 8-6, but 4 of his points were from escapes, it's not like he was standing toe to toe with Nick.

Snyder is going to win the National Title at heavyweight, and he's going to remain the best wrestler in the world at 97 kg. Will he bonus his way to the title? Probably not, but do I expect him to be close to losing in any of his matches? No.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Snyder did outclass Medbery, at what point was Medbery remotely close to Snyder? Of the 5 points he scored, 3 of them were escape points, it's not like he really pushed Snyder to the limit here. Let's be realistic with ourselves. Gwiz was far closer to Snyder than Medbery. It's similar in how the Lizak/Suriano match went earlier this year, Lizak only lost 8-6, but 4 of his points were from escapes, it's not like he was standing toe to toe with Nick.

Snyder is going to win the National Title at heavyweight, and he's going to remain the best wrestler in the world at 97 kg. Will he bonus his way to the title? Probably not, but do I expect him to be close to losing in any of his matches? No.

Huh? When Medbery recorded the TD it was 6-5 on the scoreboard but he was never remotely close to Snyder??? Reallly? Complete nonsense to claim that anyone expected Medbery to wrestle Snyder as close as he did in that match and beyond nonsensical to claim that it wasn't shocking how easily Medbery took Snyder down (to make it 6-5 on the board) due to the latter being so worn down at the end of the period -- i.e., it is beyond laughable to claim that Snyder shot as a means of letting himself be taken down to run out the clock.....not at all what happened.

 

[greenmanRD]

Sure, whatever makes you sleep better.

 

[Guilsh]

Franklin, really the only thing close was the final score 8-5. At start of 3rd period it was 4-1 Snyder. Medbery took bottom and snyder let him up (4-2). about 30 sec into the 3rd period Snyder awarded a point (5-2). Snyder gets a takedown with appox 35 seconds left (7-2)..immediately lets Medberry go (7-3)....Sloppy shot by Snyder with 10 seconds remaining, Medberry spins behind (7-5) with 8 seconds remaining...escape snyder with 1 second left...match over (8-5).....NEVER in jeopardy of losing.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

The match between Snyder and Medbery was not close in any way other than the final score. Snyder will not lose again in college unless he slams someone.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Franklin, really the only thing close was the final score 8-5. At start of 3rd period it was 4-1 Snyder. Medbery took bottom and snyder let him up (4-2). about 30 sec into the 3rd period Snyder awarded a point (5-2). Snyder gets a takedown with appox 35 seconds left (7-2)..immediately lets Medberry go (7-3)....Sloppy shot by Snyder with 10 seconds remaining, Medberry spins behind (7-5) with 8 seconds remaining...escape snyder with 1 second left...match over (8-5).....NEVER in jeopardy of losing.

Never said he was in jeopardy of losing.....but nice try! I said he never dominated or "completely outclassed" Medbery in the fashion many of you are attempting to claim - the match was far closer than anyone expected going in throughout the match, but especially as it progressed! Snyder led 4-1, 6-2, 6-3, 6-5, 7-5 and then the final was 8-5 with the RT point.....Snyder never came close to MAJORING, dominating or outclassing Medbery the way you want to keep claiming - which is what I have said from the start! The match was way closer than anyone predicted - WAY CLOSER - claims to the contrary (i.e., that Snyder absolutely dominated and outclassed Medbery) not withstanding....

 

[Guilsh]

Does Snyder look beatable...Very beatable! Umm NO!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Does Snyder look beatable...Very beatable! Umm NO!

He certainly didn't look "unbeatable" on Sunday!

 

[Guilsh]

WE know. You have mentioned that 10x already.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

WE know. You have mentioned that 10x already.

Nearly as many times as how "dominating" his performance was and how outclassed everyone was......LMFAO!

 

[Guilsh]

Maybe Snyder had the flu!

 

[mn78psu83]

I personally do still think Snyder is unbeatable. Medbery did wrestle great, I just think Snyder is way to slick on his feet!

No wrestler is unbeatable. Snyder is a prohibitive favorite though.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No wrestler is unbeatable. Snyder is a prohibitive favorite though.

Again, the separation between Snyder and Medbery on Sunday was not even close to what people thought it would be -- not even remotely close. Didn't look unbeatable or prohibitive favorite on Sunday, which was pretty surprising (and my point all along).

 

[RoarLions1]

No wrestler is unbeatable. Snyder is a prohibitive favorite though.

I really like saying that too...been doing so for 40 years. First time for everything though, and this is a case where I don't believe even myself when I say it...No one in college is beating Mr. Snyder.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Snyder was up 7-3 and he was the aggressor going for a takedown with short time, Medbery got the counter TD, with little resistance from Snyder. Medbery was never close to winning that match IMO. Snyder and every other hwt has their offense slowed when trying to get a takedown on those tree trunk legs Medbery possesses.