Hendrickson and Schultz both end the season undefeated. How should 285 be seeded?
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25% of seeding is based on head to head results and 20% is based on quality wins which is defined as a win against a gold or silver standard wrestler who earns a pre-allocated spot. If a wrestler has multiple victories over the same “quality” opponent only one victory is counted. Big advantage here for Big 10 wrestlers
hendrickson hasn’t wrestled anybody this year but has looked great against lower competition. doesn’t feel like he should benefit from his soft schedule but wouldn’t be shocked to see him seeded above a 4 loss parris even though parris has better wins. it should be 1) gable 2) schultz 3) cass 4) kerk 5) parris 6) hendrickson imo
Hendrickson at least wrestled those presented to him.
The formula will hurt him though. Here is an example comparing Cass to Hendrickson
Head to head 25 points. Each get 12.5 since they didn’t face off
Quality wins (20). Cass has more 20 for Cass
Coaches ranking (15). Cass higher. 15 for Cass
Common opponents (10). Each beat all common opponents. 5 points each
RPI (10). Cass higher. 10 points
Qualifying tourney placement (10). Hendrickson 10
Win % (10). Hendrickson 10
Add them up Cass 52.5 and Hendrickson 37.5
Cass seeded higher.
I think this is correct. Either way for us, Kerk is on Gable's side. Only question is if he wrestles Hendrickson or Parris. Some want to push Mason to 6 but that kind of does Michigan a favor lol and give Parris a potentially compromised Cassioppi and then a Schultz who goes into tiebreakers against Gas Tank Gary lol.
Heavy seeding is such a hot topic since every is resigned that it's a race for 2nd place, it's a tight team race and all of the Top 3 teams have insanely good heavies that will factor into the team race.
In the end, to be NC Kerk has to beat Gable. Does it matter if he beats him on the 18th or 19th??
Winning the title would be cool. However, as we just experienced the difference between finishing second and third might be the difference in finishing first or second.
True. But there aren’t 12 missing bonus points from byes either.
With the rules in place, finishing third instead of second was the difference between winning tournament and being runner-up. So a three seed versus a four seed based upon the most recent example could be the difference during the trophy presentation.True. But there aren’t 12 missing POTENTIAL bonus points from byes either.
Schultz is going to be an undeserved second seed because Jones rigged things.
The kid from Air Force is more deserving of a higher seed than Schuktz simply because he at least wrestled everybody presented to him.
Without a doubt, Kerk should be the six seed.
You have Hendrickson and Wood ahead of Kerk? Wood lost close to Cass and Schultz, won EIWAs, and has multiple wins over Stencel, Gas Tank and Fernandes, and a win over Elam. I’m here for a Cass 3/ Kerk 6 quarter and all the Hawk homers saying they love that matchup too (they don’t)
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If he doesn't get the 2 or the 3, which I don't think he will, we sure don't want him to have the 4 or the 5, so we have to have him at 6th.
Despite nearly getting caught early in last night's final by a much lighter wrestler, Hendrickson looked like a beast who could give anyone not named Gable problems. The Eye Test isn't a seeding criteria, but he's quick and powerful and is always looking cradle. He'll be fun to watch in Detroit.
That's harsh. I'm not saying he should do it, I actually believe Kerk can beat anyone he wrestles including Gable, you never know. My point is why worry about a seed when the difference between second and third probably isn't going to change the outcome of the team race. I personally would never suggest losing a match on purpose but my point has been proven in the past.
biggest difference in Kerk and Gable is the athleticism that Gable shows. For example he would have had a couple of go-behinds in the Paris match (think Kerk had one). Just saying he is at a different level - confidence and everything...
Heheh. With the rules in place….
well…there are no rules for wrestling everyone presented.
WE ARE'nt Tom Ryan and his son.
It's pretty simple. Noone is beating Gable short of an injury default.
Kerk had two shots at Cass and lost both.
The road to 3rd will be tough, but if he can do it (and he can) I will be pleased.
Kerk had two shots at Cass and lost both.
The road to 3rd will be tough, but if he can do it (and he can) I will be pleased.
I totally agree. The point is Kerk doesn't need to be on the opposite side of Gable to maximize his point production. I was being facetious with my first post because of all the Debbie Downers that don't have faith in Kerk no matter where he is seeded.
Oops, except the difference between 2nd and 3rd for Kerk was the difference between 1st and 2nd team score last night.
I would add, that if Kerk had a bit more confidence, he might have attacked Parris immediately following the whipover while Parris was out of position and scrambling to get back up.
Given that Gable and Kerk seem to be friends off the mat, maybe Kerk should spend some time back home this summer and let the king put him through some of his workouts. Gable has gained a substantial amount of athleticism since his losses to Cassar. His foot speed is off the charts for a human that large.
Gable has always been athletically freakish. Gable’s gains have been more muscle less non muscle tissue, training, competitive and life experiences with the normal mental and emotional maturity that goes with all that.
So if I was a heavyweight, Would have matured by now? That explains a lot. The next time my wife tells me to grow up, I will just tell her to give me some pasta and lots of it.
They should not reward ducking. The scene in Florida was ridiculous. An obvious duck, one where the headgear is on and the kid is standing there waiting to run out, should count as a loss. If Schultz loses to Kerk he would be 4th or 5th, so seed him there.
Compared to wives, we (men) age in dog years. By the time I reach 63 I will be 9.So if I was a heavyweight, Would have matured by now? That explains a lot. The next time my wife tells me to grow up, I will just tell her to give me some pasta and lots of it.
Did anyone watch the Schultz/Gas Tank match last night? God almighty is Schultz boring as hell.
I’m with you. I understand the unbeatable nature of a wrestler but they do get beaten. And last we saw, an out of shape Kerk managed to get to GS’s legs and score a TD. How many others not named Cassar have done that?
Since then, GS has won an Olympic gold and that makes him unbeatable.
Maybe. But I’m going with the growth of Kerk as more growth than the Gold Medal. I am glad he didn’t face GS yesterday….because that keeps GS from knowing what Kerk is up to.
Kerk gets the 4/5 and beats GS on Friday night.
The B1G heavies should not be penalized for the gantlet they wrestle. Schultz and Hendrickson haven't wrestled much competition this year.
Adding all other conferences at NCAA's works in PSU's favor more than Michigan, Iowa or anyone else. The gap will widen.
Agree, but the post to which I responded said there was really no difference between finishing 2nd or 3rd.
I'll predict that if Kerk does beat Gable, his confidence is going to go sky high and we're probably looking at the 2022 Hwy NCAA champion.
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