If you don’t think GS is vastly improved from last year, then you simply haven’t watched him enough. Yes, Kerk did take him down last year. But go back and watch that match. He knew Greg was hurt. He didn’t attack Greg like he did everyone else. Also, GS teched him in about 90 seconds at the trials.
Hendrickson and Schultz both end the season undefeated. How should 285 be seeded?
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Who has Shultz beaten? Wood of Lehigh. These guys have no major wins. To seed them above Cassioppi and Kerk is insane and has no merit.
It should be
Gable
Cassioppi
Kerk
Schultz
Hendrickson
Paris
Let Schultz and Hendrickson battle to lose to Gabke and wrestle back for third.
So Gable Steveson forfeited his 100% bonus up until that point as an act of kindness to Greg? I know Gable views Kerk like a little brother but I don't think he'd do that lol.
Yeah, I don't love that matchup. Kerk is getting closer every time...clearly within 3 seconds of a win this time around...
When RBY's wrestling against a stick of dynamite, why lite it?😉
I do not believe RBY scored on stalling points generated by pushing him OOB multiple times. RBY scored a TD.
Still scored offensive points. No matter how you argue or rationalize it there is no comparison to RBY's scored points and Marinelli's push them out, push them out, push them all the way out game plan.
Are those categories scored all-or-nothing?
That just seems more than a little silly. Might not change the end result, but still.
I used this article from 2018 on Flo. I believe it’s still the same.
How Does The NCAA Seeding Process Work? - FloWrestling
A brief explanation of how the NCAA determines the seeds for the national tournament.
You should be complaining about Amine’s game plan against Alex. He didn’t even take ground, let alone attempt a shot.
You aren't Dan from Maryland are you?I used this article from 2018 on Flo. I believe it’s still the same.
How Does The NCAA Seeding Process Work? - FloWrestling
A brief explanation of how the NCAA determines the seeds for the national tournament.www.flowrestling.org
Kerk's ceiling is 3rd unfortunately. That's the deal. There's no scenario that Kerk isn't a 4 so we accept that. Now we look at the next thing, who would he potentially face in the quarters at the 5. I'd rather Kerk face Parris in the quarters than Hendrickson for a few reasons.
1. He knows Parris well obviously, he seems to know how to take him down and the one takedown by Parris seemed to have been more sloppy on Kerk's part than anything else
2. Hendrickson seems like he is pretty dangerous with the amount of pins he's gotten. Competition or not, he's blowing them out like a hammer. There's no familiarity there so if anything, let Cass deal with that in the quarters rather than a guy he's familiar with (Parris as well, Cass had issues with Parris' dump which he's scouting at this point) Hendrickson has a Greco background and as we see, that isn't Kerk's strong suit lol.
3. Hendrickson at 5 means Parris is getting 6, which could walk him into the finals (as a reward for being 0-2 against Kerk lol)
1. He knows Parris well obviously, he seems to know how to take him down and the one takedown by Parris seemed to have been more sloppy on Kerk's part than anything else
2. Hendrickson seems like he is pretty dangerous with the amount of pins he's gotten. Competition or not, he's blowing them out like a hammer. There's no familiarity there so if anything, let Cass deal with that in the quarters rather than a guy he's familiar with (Parris as well, Cass had issues with Parris' dump which he's scouting at this point) Hendrickson has a Greco background and as we see, that isn't Kerk's strong suit lol.
3. Hendrickson at 5 means Parris is getting 6, which could walk him into the finals (as a reward for being 0-2 against Kerk lol)
Actually the post was referring to losing in round 1 and pinning his way all the way to 3rd. Not 2nd vs. 3rd generically. It was also tongue in cheek.
Directly from the post I quoted - specifically the sentence to which I was responding:
“My point is why worry about a seed when the difference between second and third probably isn't going to change the outcome of the team race.”
In Big10 tourney, the 2 pts difference would have changed the outcome of the team race. And yes I understand that the Big10 is compressed and NCAA will likely not be as close, but I believe you can never gave enough points until it’s over and you’re on top. Every placement point counts!
Personally, I don’t care what seed he gets. I’m sure his goal is to be a National Champion and he will likely have to beat GS at some point in the tournament. I believe that if he believes it, he can do just that.
I am not arguing Amine was overly offensive. He wasn't. He didn't do a damn thing. However, the guy who won didn't do anything offensive either. The 165 pound match was a blatant example of why we should never have a folkstyle pushout rule. If Alex wrestles for those stall calls at nationals he will accomplish a similar level of success as his previous efforts.
yeah, but one reason he didn't do much is that he had to chase amine around the mat. in those double unders situation, he has offense there, but amine (correctly) risked the stall calls by backing out instead of holding his ground and giving up a body lock or footsweep. you guys would whine about the same thing if a guy repeatedly backed out of bounds in double unders against a psu guy.
They are friendly with each other. GS doesn't want to embarrass kerk. If they really got after it GS would put on a show, imo
I think I'm being objective here. AM definitely uses the strategy of using double unders to jack his opponent up. That takes the weight off his opponent's feet, reducing their leverage. He uses that lever advantage to run his opponent back off the mat. It is a common freestyle offense. The only difference is that AM is looking for a stall call rather than the push out point. Eventually, the opponent is forced to do everything possible not to get pushed out and this leaves them open to a leg attack, which AM takes advantage of too.
But it is less a case of his opponent "running" and more of a case of being helpless to avoid the push out. It is hard to "run" backwards when your body is at a 45 degree angle toward the wrestler with the underhooks. They are getting run off the mat.
I was friendly with a lot of opponents. I don’t recall pulling back.
It’s almost as if you are saying he would beat Greg worse than he beats Mason or Cass.
Either way, we will know in short order.
Haven't done the math yet, and probably won't due to commitments...then tomorrow the seeds come out. My thinking is that the best thing that could happen for Kerkvliet is a seed that is on the other side from Steveson. He (Steveson) is my pick for most likely NC if I were to pick the chances of #1 seeds for all weight classes.
Other than that, he has to get through a gauntlet anyway, facing great wrestlers starting in the quarters. Doesn't matter imo who he faces, all are dangerous.
Other than that, he has to get through a gauntlet anyway, facing great wrestlers starting in the quarters. Doesn't matter imo who he faces, all are dangerous.
Amine didn't retreat like on a train. If Marinelli had any intention of using the hooks for anything other than a push out he had opportunities.
The difference between an Iowa kid and a PSU kid is the PSU kid would not have an offense limited to push outs or stall calls.
Almost is not correct. He would beat Parrish the worst. Can't believe you have never held back in a match. He is just head and shoulders better than anyone else.
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And of course, per the rule there are 3 choices for the refree to determine as the wrestlers leave the mat.
1. Activity - no stall.
2. Backing off to avoid activity - stalling.
3. Blocking from returning to mat, driving off the mat - stalling.
So if Marinelli has the double hooks and is simply driving off the mat, who is stalling?
jmadden -- 1 correction -- Quality wins will be 15-5. Each wrestler gets at least 5 if they have at least 1 quality win, i.e. over someone in the bracket. Theoretically, if the coaches jumped Hendrickson over Kerk, he would get the 4. Same thing at 2. Schultz, Cass, Kerkvliet will be seeded as ranked.
A very good point. I watched a couple of the B12 championship matches last night and it was more like Sumo wrestling. It's a judgement call, but I think this is one the refs miss a lot.
I don't think they miss it, they just don't call it the way the rules say they should.
Ya, I saw in the article that quality wins wasn’t all or nothing but wasn’t sure how it was calculated. Hendrickson’s RPI is currently 15. He will have no head to head against any of the top 10 guys. Very few quality wins. He will get 10 for win % against everyone but Schultz. I wouldn’t be surprised to him in the 6-8 range.
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