FORTY SIX POINTS!
That doesn’t pass ANY kind of test.
That doesn’t pass ANY kind of test.
Hey Committee - tOSU Lost Two Games By 46 Pts!
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that is correct, and we already know that conf champ doesnt matter.
That is correct. Very talented, but inconsistent. OSU does not belong this year.
Lost 3 of their last 14 by 77 POINTS!
So you think a team who lost by two scores vs the only top 15 team they played all season deserves in over a team who went 3-1 vs top 16 teams?
Unfortunately, neither does Bama's resume. Let's face it, by devaluing head to head and a conference title last year the committee is about to bathe in a slop of its own making.
I am 100% against Bama getting in with its resume. This is not the same thing as OSU last year. At least OSU last year had two top 10 wins to hang their hats on by beating Oklahoma and Michigan. Bama has nothing. They have a much worse case to be made compared to OSU last year and if their name was anything other than Alabama - with a whopping 2 wins over ranked teams (both lower than 15) and no conference title - we would not be having this conversation at all.
OSU has three wins over top 15 teams plus a conference title. If this were poker, they'd have more valuable chips on the table than Bama right now. Not to say they necessarily deserve it, but they're in by default IF the committee values good wins and conference titles over a resume that lacks both.
That's pretty deceptive....the 3-1 is ignoring the absolute beatdown they took against an unranked team.
I agree that's a more appropriate discussion but would still have to say OSU's resume edges out USC.
OSU best 3 wins - PSU, MSU, Wisconsin
USC's best wins - Stanford twice, Arizona
Quality of losses?
OSU bombed at Iowa and loses to Oklahoma
USC bombed at Notre Dame and loses to Wazzou
Not sure how you can take USC over OSU in this scenario
....as far as I'm concerned PSU's resume is as good as any of these options as well!
Lost 2 tough games on the road by a total of 4 points.
I think the committee should come out and say.....
..."since we screwed up last year when PSU should have been in and we excluded them we will now make it right as none of the teams in contention for the final spot are deserving over the other, therefore PSU will be playing Clemson"
So you're saying Ws and Ls in a P5 conference (arguably the best one) don't matter. "That's why we play the game." Select Ohio and the committee is painting itself in a corner. I can't wait to hear their rationale! It could end the BCS and trigger a playoff.
Well done! I'm almost hoping the committee selects Ohio just to hear their explanation.
Bottom line: who do you think would win between USC and OSU? I lean toward USC slightly due to QB play.
Who would win between USC and Bama? I would take Bama.
Who would win between OSU and Bama? I would take Bama.
Therefore, my pick for the CFP would be Bama.
Not one sports show or sports reporter or anyone has mention the bad loses to Iowa and Oklahoma and they keep mentioning the eye test. Bullshit if you ask me but it is what it is. Hate to say it but i hope bama gets in. F$%k bucknutz
This thread is a great illustration of the difference between leadership at PSU and other schools. Other schools are working to promote their school and program both publicly and behind the scenes, whether they think they can win every battle or not. Contrast that to PSU, not even a whimper. Someone please tell me again how great a job Sandy is doing.
No. Let's try PSU instead
I believe PSU can play with anyone in the country. Yes, PSU snatched defeat from the jaws of victory twice this year (and also in the USC game last year).
PSU may not win it all, but I am darn certain they would be very competitive against any of the playoff teams.
I don't have the stats, but I would bet that losing two games by a total of four point this year is unmatched. Four measly points. Both on the road. Yes, they lost, but PSU has not and never was blown out of any contest since the Michigan game. The is era's ago!I am pretty sure it wouldn't happen this year either.
YES for 4 reasons.
1. When Alabama played FSU, it was the game of the year. FSU's QB went down. Without him they were terrible, with him the FSU win would have looked much better. That said, Alabama was the only team that had to face FSU with him under center.
2. Also, OSU lost at home against a team in the playoff. This is important because the playoff argument is about trying to decide who wins on a neutral field. This question has more than been settled.
3. The Iowa loss was the unforgivable sin. They didn't lose, they got blown out and it wasn't even as close as the 31 point difference would lead you to believe. Alabama played teams of Iowa's talent on the road and did not embarrass themselves.
4. JT Barrett is terrible. Last night he tried his best to lose a game that OSU should have won by 30+.
Exactly. Once the committee screwed over Penn State last year, they basically made it clear that THERE IS NO CRITERIA USED TO SELECT THE CFP PARTICIPANTS. Conference championships don't matter. Head to head doesn't matter. They cannot put that genie back into the bottle.
Now, no matter what they do, they will have a major fanbase (either Bama or OSU) up in arms. In addition, many of the CFB fans who pay attention to these things now realize what a sham the selection process is. This is not good for the future of the CFP, or for the sport as a whole.
If they had limited the CFP to the top 4 conference champions last year, they would have enhanced the importance of the regular season for years to come. Instead, we have the mess that we have.
Well said. Thing is, it won't matter to the Committee. Penn State didn't get in last year solely because of who they are. It will always be that way unless we're undefeated.
No. Let's try PSU instead
I believe PSU can play with anyone in the country. Yes, PSU snatched defeat from the jaws of victory twice this year (and also in the USC game last year).
PSU may not win it all, but I am darn certain they would be very competitive against any of the playoff teams.
I don't have the stats, but I would bet that losing two games by a total of four point this year is unmatched. Four measly points. Both on the road. Yes, they lost, but PSU has not and never was blown out of any contest since the Michigan game. The is era's ago!I am pretty sure it wouldn't happen this year either.
I AGREE 100%.
PSU lost two back to back road games by 1 pt and 3 pts.
The first game PSU led tOSU for 58 minutes.....the second game PSU lost on a FG at the buzzer.
EVERY TEAM IN THE COUNTRY.....EVERY TEAM.....had a loss or losses MUCH WORSE then these.
(That said, these were both self-inflicted.....if PSU had taken care of business we would not be having this discussion.)
Exactly, but where you are mistaken is that last year was some kind of change in criteria. While the Committee provided some criteria as part of the evaluation between teams seen as very close, there was never a formula or ranking of criteria.
It’s a collective subjective decision based on a combination of objective data and subjective evaluation. That being the case, there is no right or wrong decisions in the playoff selection, just decisions.
So last year putting in Ohio State and Washington (which is the team that the Committee saw as being the option versus PSU, not Ohio State) over the N. lions was just a decision based on the system, not right or wrong. If the Committee takes OSU, Alabama, USC, or UCF... there is no right or wrong, just a decision with the system in place.
I agree with you that there was no change in criteria, because there was no criteria to begin with. But when the committee becomes logically inconsistent from year to year, the committee erodes the importance of the regular season (head to head), the importance of being a conference champion, and therefore the credibility of the entire sport. That is "wrong" if one cares about the integrity of the sport. If you don't care if the sport goes the way of professional boxing, then I guess it is OK.
LOL, whatever. We lost by one point on the road with OSU coming off a bye.
Secondly, your post is irrelevant when discussed in the context of this thread.
Well said! In the final analysis the selection criteria is exposed. It's all about the Benjamins. It's not about H2H and conference champions. Should the committee select Ohio then won-loss records don't matter, either. It's a complete sham and it could
Also and regarding #4, last year Dabo Swinney salivated at the mouth to get a shot at JT Barrett. Look how that turned out. Why risk a repeat embarrassment. It's well acknowledged that the quarterbacking in the B1G Championship game is lousy. Just more justification to put Bama in there.
There is certainly an argument as to whether this is the best system or not. That’s a different issue. There might be a bit more consistency if the same people were part of the committee every year, but they aren’t, so on any given year personal criteria and who among the committee can make the most compelling arguments, may certainly lead to irregularities season to season. If your team is in contention, you just have to hope that the subjective evaluations and personal priorities within the committee favor you that season. What it isn’t is a conspiracy to put certain teams in and keep certain teams out.
Specific to this season however, there is no criteria, therefore, there is no team that should or shouldn’t be in the playoffs.
Do you really think they pick the teams based on lobbying from the athletic directors? Penn State could take out an 1 hour informercial every channel the past two years and they would still have been left out.
