How dumb do they think we are? How corrupt do WE know THEY are?

[bjf1984]

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?


So, Jerry Sandusky’s attorney, in his Post Conviction Relief Act petition, asks for the following information – all of which is directly related to the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky:

Regarding False Statements made by the Prosecution throughout the Trial:

He requests the ability to take sworn statements from:

Allen Myers (a Sandusky victim)
Corporal Leiter and Trooper Ellis of the PSP
Inspector Corricelli of the USP Inspection Service
Prosecuting Attorney Joseph McKettigan

He requests copies of any communications between Allen Myers (or his representatives) and any of the Commonwealth's attorneys or prosecutors


With regard to any Financial Incentives the Victims may have had in conjunction with their Testimony:

He requests copies of any signed agreements between the victims (Myers, Houtz, Fischer, Struble, Konstas and Simcisko) and their private civil attorneys


With regard to concerns over Constitutionality Issues and Due Process:

He requests copies of any reports that may exist regarding the James Reeder investigation into the leaks from the Grand Jury that investigated Sandusky. [FWIW, Reeder was appointed BY Judge Barry Fuedale to “investigate” the leaks emanating from the Grand Jury RUN BY Judge Fuedale. I can’t imagine any conflict of interest there.]

and, the right to take sworn statements from:

Attorneys Frank Fina and Jonelle Eschbach of the Office of Attorney General
Reporter Sara Gannim
Psychologist Michael Gillum
Aaron Fischer
Dawn Hennessy
Deb McCord

And anyone else who may have had access to the proceedings of the Grand Jury.

And access to all documents and communications between members of the Judiciary and members of the Office of Attorney General throughout the investigation.

__________________________________________

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?

Ignoring all of the requests for information surrounding the investigation and trial of Sandusky, Judge Cleland instead:

Orders Kathleen Kane….who wasn’t even the Attorney General at the time of the Sandusky investigation or trial….to turn over any information SHE may have regarding Grand Jury leaks.

You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

How dumb does Cleland believe the public is?

Better question, just how corrupt are the Pennsylvania Judiciary and Prosecutorial Offices?

 

[PennSt8er]

Extremely corrupt. Banana Republic.

 

[marshall23]

Bringing Kane center stage is clearly a diversionary tactic that has served the corrupt Commonwealth Justice System well. The coup of 11/9/11, planned well in advance, paid greater than anticipated dividends in diverting attention from The Second Mile and the monumental failures of CYS and DPW. While the public in general, may have a short attention span,this is not going to work a second time. This is now a ruthless group of white collar criminals, who are desperate to hide their crimes.

 

[demlion]

Bringing Kane center stage is clearly a diversionary tactic that has served the corrupt Commonwealth Justice System well. The coup of 11/9/11, planned well in advance, paid greater than anticipated dividends in diverting attention from The Second Mile and the monumental failures of CYS and DPW. While the public in general, may have a short attention span,this is not going to work a second time. This is now a ruthless group of white collar criminals, who are desperate to hide their crimes.

They just got three new members on the PASC, and so some power is going to shift there, too.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Bringing Kane center stage is clearly a diversionary tactic that has served the corrupt Commonwealth Justice System well. The coup of 11/9/11, planned well in advance, paid greater than anticipated dividends in diverting attention from The Second Mile and the monumental failures of CYS and DPW. While the public in general, may have a short attention span,this is not going to work a second time. This is now a ruthless group of white collar criminals, who are desperate to hide their crimes.

Coup is exactly the right word for it, imo.

And it remains largely a successful coup for as long as the movers and shakers of it remain hidden and/or protected from publicity.

Those seeking to avoid an honest and frank discussion of those movers and shakers are either co-conspirators or enablers. Choose your poison. Personally, if find the continuing misdirection by some we hoped would help us to be somewhat disconcerting. There is one coup master in particular out there who remains completely untouched, likely because he is very powerfully corrupt. The road to him is simply not that difficult to map. So, why does it remain unmapped?

 

[lionlurker]

Putting Kane on stage today is a planned move, and if she screws this up it will be the last nail in the coffin for her. The public already thinks she is a crazy witch, the governor won't help a member of his own party, and the judiciary is gunning for her.

These guys know what they are doing.

 

[marshall23]

Pa. has had one "kingmaker"......patron of AG's and Governors. He has roots in the Hershey Trust.
His shadow is everywhere.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Pa. has had one "kingmaker"......patron of AG's and Governors. He has roots in the Hershey Trust.
His shadow is everywhere.

Pa. has had one "kingmaker"......patron of AG's and Governors. He has roots in the Hershey Trust.
His shadow is everywhere.

I agree that putting THAT guy on the map would also serve to put MY guy on the map.

 

[mcm265]

Is it possible that BWI can host a completely different message board entirely devoted to PSU admin and legal issues? I understand that this is a big deal and many of you are closely following, but for simple minded folks such as myself, it's maddening to constantly see new threads on these topics. My brain can only take so much corruption, failed leadership, and "JZ" headlines on the football boards... sigh... [end rant]

 

[marshall23]

I see many threads that don't interest me. I don't click on them. Try it

 

[Fayette_LION]

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?


So, Jerry Sandusky’s attorney, in his Post Conviction Relief Act petition, asks for the following information – all of which is directly related to the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky:

Regarding False Statements made by the Prosecution throughout the Trial:

He requests the ability to take sworn statements from:

Allen Myers (a Sandusky victim)
Corporal Leiter and Trooper Ellis of the PSP
Inspector Corricelli of the USP Inspection Service
Prosecuting Attorney Joseph McKettigan

He requests copies of any communications between Allen Myers (or his representatives) and any of the Commonwealth's attorneys or prosecutors


With regard to any Financial Incentives the Victims may have had in conjunction with their Testimony:

He requests copies of any signed agreements between the victims (Myers, Houtz, Fischer, Struble, Konstas and Simcisko) and their private civil attorneys


With regard to concerns over Constitutionality Issues and Due Process:

He requests copies of any reports that may exist regarding the James Reeder investigation into the leaks from the Grand Jury that investigated Sandusky. [FWIW, Reeder was appointed BY Judge Barry Fuedale to “investigate” the leaks emanating from the Grand Jury RUN BY Judge Fuedale. I can’t imagine any conflict of interest there.]

and, the right to take sworn statements from:

Attorneys Frank Fina and Jonelle Eschbach of the Office of Attorney General
Reporter Sara Gannim
Psychologist Michael Gillum
Aaron Fischer
Dawn Hennessy
Deb McCord

And anyone else who may have had access to the proceedings of the Grand Jury.

And access to all documents and communications between members of the Judiciary and members of the Office of Attorney General throughout the investigation.

__________________________________________

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?

Ignoring all of the requests for information surrounding the investigation and trial of Sandusky, Judge Cleland instead:

Orders Kathleen Kane….who wasn’t even the Attorney General at the time of the Sandusky investigation or trial….to turn over any information SHE may have regarding Grand Jury leaks.

You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

How dumb does Cleland believe the public is?

Better question, just how corrupt are the Pennsylvania Judiciary and Prosecutorial Offices?

Barry, sounds like a great opinion piece for both the CDT and PennLive news. Wonder why NO_ONE and I mean NO ONE in the news has the ability to see this as clearly as you have put it and report it.

 

[b&w1987]

I wonder who voted for these corrupt officials?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Is it possible that BWI can host a completely different message board entirely devoted to PSU admin and legal issues? I understand that this is a big deal and many of you are closely following, but for simple minded folks such as myself, it's maddening to constantly see new threads on these topics. My brain can only take so much corruption, failed leadership, and "JZ" headlines on the football boards... sigh... [end rant]

"You" personally don't like seeing this on the board because it irritates "you".....interesting rational as to why the rest of us should not be permitted to discuss the treachery perpetrated upon PSU, the PSU Football Program, PSU Athletics and the greater PSU Community by the corrupt, cowardly, narcissistic, exclusively self-interested OG BOT? You corrupt OG BOT sycophants and toadies are so transparent with your absurd censorship efforts, it isn't even funny. If you find the topic so disinteresting, ignore it, but to sit here and lobby that this topic should not be discussed on the main board due to lack of relevance and interest is just shamelessly ridiculous.

 

[Cruising Route 66]

How dumb does Cleland believe the public is?

What reality do you live in? The majority of the public is dumber than dog shit. In CT on Tuesday, former Bridgeport, Mayor Joseph Ganim,who spent seven years in prison after he was convicted on public corruption charges, was returned to office.

Better question, just how corrupt are the Pennsylvania Judiciary and Prosecutorial Offices?

Most likely no less corrupt than most other state judiciaries faced with similar circumstances.

 

[mhentz]

Pa. has had one "kingmaker"......patron of AG's and Governors. He has roots in the Hershey Trust.
His shadow is everywhere.

And he has to be damned near as old as God himself. When is the SOB finally going to kick the bucket?

 

[bjf1984]

Gamma Digamma Psi

Who rang the bell for the Piss-Boy?

 

[Ceasar]

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?


So, Jerry Sandusky’s attorney, in his Post Conviction Relief Act petition, asks for the following information – all of which is directly related to the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky:

Regarding False Statements made by the Prosecution throughout the Trial:

He requests the ability to take sworn statements from:

Allen Myers (a Sandusky victim)
Corporal Leiter and Trooper Ellis of the PSP
Inspector Corricelli of the USP Inspection Service
Prosecuting Attorney Joseph McKettigan

He requests copies of any communications between Allen Myers (or his representatives) and any of the Commonwealth's attorneys or prosecutors


With regard to any Financial Incentives the Victims may have had in conjunction with their Testimony:

He requests copies of any signed agreements between the victims (Myers, Houtz, Fischer, Struble, Konstas and Simcisko) and their private civil attorneys


With regard to concerns over Constitutionality Issues and Due Process:

He requests copies of any reports that may exist regarding the James Reeder investigation into the leaks from the Grand Jury that investigated Sandusky. [FWIW, Reeder was appointed BY Judge Barry Fuedale to “investigate” the leaks emanating from the Grand Jury RUN BY Judge Fuedale. I can’t imagine any conflict of interest there.]

and, the right to take sworn statements from:

Attorneys Frank Fina and Jonelle Eschbach of the Office of Attorney General
Reporter Sara Gannim
Psychologist Michael Gillum
Aaron Fischer
Dawn Hennessy
Deb McCord

And anyone else who may have had access to the proceedings of the Grand Jury.

And access to all documents and communications between members of the Judiciary and members of the Office of Attorney General throughout the investigation.

__________________________________________

Faced with all of these requests for clearly relevant and critical information regarding the investigation and prosecution of Sandusky, Judge Cleland – who both presided over the Sandusky trial, and now presides over the PCRA hearings – IGNORES ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, but instead chooses to capitalize on this opportunity to join his co-horts in a vendetta against Kathleen Kane?

Ignoring all of the requests for information surrounding the investigation and trial of Sandusky, Judge Cleland instead:

Orders Kathleen Kane….who wasn’t even the Attorney General at the time of the Sandusky investigation or trial….to turn over any information SHE may have regarding Grand Jury leaks.

You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

How dumb does Cleland believe the public is?

Better question, just how corrupt are the Pennsylvania Judiciary and Prosecutorial Offices?

Understand your point Barry but what is wrong with allowing Kane to be questioned? She has made pretty bold statements that, if true, will help the defense and undermine the prosecution. The defense attorneys are going to be present for this meeting and per Cleland will be permitted to question her. So it seems to me this moves the process forward. The search for the truth is not always pretty and sometimes you need to rethink your assumptions. If Kane has no evidence of leaks then that door is closed and other avenues need to be explored. It is self-evident there were leaks. That is not even debatable. The easiest way to prove it would be if the leakers were foolish enough to do it in e-mails on the AG computers. But assuming they were smart enough not to do it in that fashion, then you need to look at other avenues such as taking depositions. And the defense has asked for that opportunity. Perhaps what will be the result of todays' "meeting".

 

[step.eng69]

Pa. has had one "kingmaker"......patron of AG's and Governors. He has roots in the Hershey Trust.
His shadow is everywhere.

marshall23, who is the "kingmaker" ...Zimmerman?

 

[bjf1984]

Understand your point Barry but what is wrong with allowing Kane to be questioned? She has made pretty bold statements that, if true, will help the defense and undermine the prosecution. The defense attorneys are going to be present for this meeting and per Cleland will be permitted to question her. So it seems to me this moves the process forward. The search for the truth is not always pretty and sometimes you need to rethink your assumptions. If Kane has no evidence of leaks then that door is closed and other avenues need to be explored. It is self-evident there were leaks. That is not even debatable. The easiest way to prove it would be if the leakers were foolish enough to do it in e-mails on the AG computers. But assuming they were smart enough not to do it in that fashion, then you need to look at other avenues such as taking depositions. And the defense has asked for that opportunity. Perhaps what will be the result of todays' "meeting".

Don't assume things that I haven't said......feel free to ask though.

I've got no problem with Kane being questioned.

I would be happy to see her line up with Fina, McKettigan, Gannim, etc etc etc etc

I DO have a real problem with Cleland ignoring the dozens of directly relevant requests by Sandusky's PCRA attorney - requests that reflect directly back at not only the Sandusky investigation, but also on the way HE (Cleland) ran that trial.....and then jumping up and down like Speed Racer to bring in Kane (who's name doesn't even show up in the list of folks Sandusky's attorney wants to talk to).

Cleland is just another c^cks^cker looking to distract the unwashed masses with a "shiny object".

If Cleland were "interested in the truth".....Kane would be about item #25 on the list of folks to question. I would be perfectly fine if Kane was item #1, if only she were not the ONE AND ONLY.

Think Cleland is going to haul in Fina, Gannim etc for deposition and sworn statements? I doubt that any of us are holding our breath waiting for that.

 

[step.eng69]

Don't assume things that I haven't said......feel free to ask though.

I've got no problem with Kane being questioned.

I would be happy to see her line up with Fina, McKettigan, Gannim, etc etc etc etc

Kane is being harassed, not questioned. Doesn't she have to appear before the Senate for questioning.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

You forgot to mention that Ganim won the endorsement of the police union.

 

[step.eng69]

You forgot to mention that Ganim won the endorsement of the police union.

Who is the "kingmaker" ...Zimmerman?

 

[Ceasar]

Kane is being harassed, not questioned. Doesn't she have to appear before the Senate for questioning.

Step, if she made false statements about leaks she should be harassed. That is not what we should expect from our elected public servants. That said, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that she gave the Judge more than has been reported by the media. Perhaps she turned over information that would prove a leak but also said she has no proof of where the leak came form. If that's the case then today's meeting could be productive as it could give the attorneys a road map to follow to find specifically who leaked. Think back to Watergate and the guy who was Deep Throat. Nobody that I am aware of ever guessed he was the guy. For over 30 years. The person(s) who leaked in this case may very well be someone none of us ever heard of. We all want to think of the leaker being Fina, Feudale or some other high profile person. Maybe it was a faceless bureaucrat who had an important position that made them privy to everything.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Anyone care to be open about the previously "un-named" movers and shakers?

If true, the level institutionalized corruption in PA politics and government is simply beyond comprehension.

Umm, I believe he's a former AG himself (1st elected one I believe). He then initiated some interesting cases regarding the Hershey Trust & its many charitable endowments which with retrospect appear to have been premeditated as he parlayed his role in these cases as AG into the Chairmanship of the massive and cash rich Hershey Trust & Foundation directly after leaving the PA OAG. From there he plundered and raped one of the most well-endowed charitable institutions in the world and used the booty to not only enrich himself, but to create a political empire and kingdom - complete with Vassal Lords, sychophants, toadies and expendable & sacrificial marks. They don't call him the puppet-master "King-maker" for nothing. He is much like the character portrayed in Braveheart as Robert the Bruce's father (whose name was also Robert de Brus, but he was only Lord of Annandale while his son became Robert de Brus I, the first King of Scotland, via his father's Machiavellian behind the scenes traitorous negotiations with Edward Longshanks otherwise known as Edward I, King of England, who the Soctish Lords - they were clanish prior to this and had no single king - were at war with. IOW, he was the original "King-maker" via Machiavellian corruption and maneuvering.).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Umm, I believe he's a former AG himself (1st elected one I believe). He then initiated some interesting cases regarding the Hershey Trust & its many charitable endowments which with retrospect appear to have been premeditated as he parlayed his role in these cases as AG into the Chairmanship of the massive and cash rich Hershey Trust & Foundation directly after leaving the PA OAG. From there he plundered and raped one of the most well-endowed charitable institutions in the world and used the booty to not only enrich himself, but to create a political empire and kingdom - complete with Vassal Lords, sychophants, toadies and expendable & sacrificial marks. They don't call him the puppet-master "King-maker" for nothing. He is much like the character portrayed in Braveheart as Robert the Bruce's father (whose name was also Robert de Brus, but he was only Lord of Annandale while his son became Robert de Brus I, the first King of Scotland, via his father's Machiavellian behind the scenes traitorous negotiations with Edward Longshanks otherwise known as Edward I, King of England, who the Soctish Lords - they were clanish prior to this and had no single king - were at war with. IOW, he was the original "King-maker" via Machiavellian corruption and maneuvering.).

Much like the corrupt, corpulent, evil, treacherous, degenerate, morally-bankrupt father of Earl the Bruce, first King of Scotland, as portrayed in the movie Braveheart.

 

[bvillebaron]

Is it possible that BWI can host a completely different message board entirely devoted to PSU admin and legal issues? I understand that this is a big deal and many of you are closely following, but for simple minded folks such as myself, it's maddening to constantly see new threads on these topics. My brain can only take so much corruption, failed leadership, and "JZ" headlines on the football boards... sigh... [end rant]

Then don't click on the link.

 

[step.eng69]

Step, if she made false statements about leaks she should be harassed. That is not what we should expect from our elected public servants. That said, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that she gave the Judge more than has been reported by the media. Perhaps she turned over information that would prove a leak but also said she has no proof of where the leak came form. If that's the case then today's meeting could be productive as it could give the attorneys a road map to follow to find specifically who leaked. Think back to Watergate and the guy who was Deep Throat. Nobody that I am aware of ever guessed he was the guy. For over 30 years. The person(s) who leaked in this case may very well be someone none of us ever heard of. We all want to think of the leaker being Fina, Feudale or some other high profile person. Maybe it was a faceless bureaucrat who had an important position that made them privy to everything.

I agree 100% with you Ceaser, basically I’m referring to the post from Barry F. It seems to me that Cleland is consciously ignoring the suspicious actions of others in the 2011 AG’s office and joining ranks with Fina & company. This information that Kane delivered is under seal and will this remain under seal if Cleland chooses? The truth will be found in depositions & questioning of the involved parties, not in Kane. Unfortunately, I believe the truth will stay “under seal”

“Ignoring all of the requests for information surrounding the investigation and trial of Sandusky, Judge Cleland instead:

Orders Kathleen Kane….who wasn’t even the Attorney General at the time of the Sandusky investigation or trial….to turn over any information SHE may have regarding Grand Jury leaks.”

By the way Ceasar, I'm only 66 and a half, why do you feel I followed Watergate & Deep Throat?

 

[step.eng69]

Umm, I believe he's a former AG himself (1st elected one I believe). He then initiated some interesting cases regarding the Hershey Trust & its many charitable endowments which with retrospect appear to have been premeditated as he parlayed his role in these cases as AG into the Chairmanship of the massive and cash rich Hershey Trust & Foundation directly after leaving the PA OAG. From there he plundered and raped one of the most well-endowed charitable institutions in the world and used the booty to not only enrich himself, but to create a political empire and kingdom - complete with Vassal Lords, sychophants, toadies and expendable & sacrificial marks. They don't call him the puppet-master "King-maker" for nothing. He is much like the character portrayed in Braveheart as Robert the Bruce's father (whose name was also Robert de Brus, but he was only Lord of Annandale while his son became Robert de Brus I, the first King of Scotland, via his father's Machiavellian behind the scenes traitorous negotiations with Edward Longshanks otherwise known as Edward I, King of England, who the Soctish Lords - they were clanish prior to this and had no single king - were at war with. IOW, he was the original "King-maker" via Machiavellian corruption and maneuvering.).

Franklin..Who is the "kingmaker" ...Zimmerman?

 

[step.eng69]

I agree that putting THAT guy on the map would also serve to put MY guy on the map.

10 K.....Who is the "kingmaker" ...Zimmerman?

 

[fairgambit]

I wonder who voted for these corrupt officials?

Sadly, most were not corrupt when they were elected but once they get into office, some change. As Lord Action said "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

 

[bkmtnittany1]

Wonder what frank sheerhan thinks about this..

 

[fairgambit]

Is it possible that BWI can host a completely different message board entirely devoted to PSU admin and legal issues? I understand that this is a big deal and many of you are closely following, but for simple minded folks such as myself, it's maddening to constantly see new threads on these topics. My brain can only take so much corruption, failed leadership, and "JZ" headlines on the football boards... sigh... [end rant]

This is going to be with us for quite some time yet. As others have suggested, the easiest thing is to just pass over the thread to one you like.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

10 K.....Who is the "kingmaker" ...Zimmerman?

Franklin is the Zimmerman expert here. Zimmerman is certainly a very powerful behind the scenes actor and, there can be little doubt, corrupt. And, they do call him a kingmaker.

My eyes are on Ridge, though, because I KNOW FOR A FACT that he placed himself in the middle of the deliberations of the BOT that day in November, 2011. What I don't know is why nobody else wants to talk about that.

 

[kgilbert78]

You forgot to mention that Ganim won the endorsement of the police union.

Wonder if he's any relation to Sara?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Sadly, most were not corrupt when they were elected but once they get into office, some change. As Lord Action said "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Ahhh, is that the "nouveau" rationalization for their ever-narcissistic, exceedingly-cowardly, self-engratiating, morally-bankrupt corruption? How far behind can "everybody does it" be from the supporters of the crowd with the REAL "culture and ethos issues" in the PSU community and the State as well as our country at large? (in other words, the soulless, cowardly, purely self-interested, morally-bankrupt among us, otherwise known as dirtbags, scum-buckets and sellouts, are sadly winning).

 

[bjf1984]

Step, if she made false statements about leaks she should be harassed. That is not what we should expect from our elected public servants. That said, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that she gave the Judge more than has been reported by the media. Perhaps she turned over information that would prove a leak but also said she has no proof of where the leak came form. If that's the case then today's meeting could be productive as it could give the attorneys a road map to follow to find specifically who leaked. Think back to Watergate and the guy who was Deep Throat. Nobody that I am aware of ever guessed he was the guy. For over 30 years. The person(s) who leaked in this case may very well be someone none of us ever heard of. We all want to think of the leaker being Fina, Feudale or some other high profile person. Maybe it was a faceless bureaucrat who had an important position that made them privy to everything.

Did you have access to that INTERWEBS thingy back in 2011?

If so, you already have the information that "would prove a leak". At least one (MAJOR) one.

Yes.....I am all for trying to uncover....and make public....the source of this leak, and the (likely) dozens of other ongoing and repeated leaks.

But - good Lord - lets hope we are all not so gullible to think that this issue is even close to "Top 10" in relevance and importance wrt the Sandusky PCRA - and lets hope that we can put on our thinking caps for 5 seconds and realize why it is being pushed front and center by Cleland. It sure as sh^t ain't because of any search for truth or quest for justice.

 

[kgilbert78]

Gamma Digamma Psi

Who rang the bell for the Piss-Boy?

What reality do you live in? The majority of the public is dumber than dog shit. In CT on Tuesday, former Bridgeport, Mayor Joseph Ganim,who spent seven years in prison after he was convicted on public corruption charges, was returned to office.

He's right on this one. Sorry Barry.

 

[mcm265]

This is going to be with us for quite some time yet. As others have suggested, the easiest thing is to just pass over the thread to one you like.

I totally get it - and my point was kind of a serious one, since it is going to be around for a while, has there been any thought to devoting a separate section of BWI towards just that commentary? It seems like about 50% of content in this forum is in that topic of conversation.
But instead, I get insulted by community members such as Franklin for even bringing it up..

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Franklin is the Zimmerman expert here. Zimmerman is certainly a very powerful behind the scenes actor and, there can be little doubt, corrupt. And, they do call him a kingmaker.

My eyes are on Ridge, though, because I KNOW FOR A FACT that he placed himself in the middle of the deliberations of the BOT that day in November, 2011. What I don't know is why nobody else wants to talk about that.

Too funny, who do you think created Ridge? IOW, who do you think was Ridge's (and Corbett for that matter - do you think it is "coinky-dink" Ridge named LZ-connected Corbett to replace Preate as AG and named LZ-connected Cynthia Baldwin to PSU's BOT as a Gov appointee?) "political Godfather" and who he paid tithes to (as in the Abraham to Malchizedek sense) before and after taking office??? You really think it is "coinky-dink" that Ridge is currently "parked at", and working for the Hershey Trust & Foundation???

How many Brooklyn Bridges do you theoretically own??? LMFAO.

 

[step.eng69]

Franklin is the Zimmerman expert here. Zimmerman is certainly a very powerful behind the scenes actor and, there can be little doubt, corrupt. And, they do call him a kingmaker.

My eyes are on Ridge, though, because I KNOW FOR A FACT that he placed himself in the middle of the deliberations of the BOT that day in November, 2011. What I don't know is why nobody else wants to talk about that.

Thanks for the response 10K aggie....do you know the prize in marbles was the agate?
I believe Corbett proposed Ridge for the University President's position. I also think he declined....did he know more about the transgressions involved w/PSU, TSM, CYS, et. than Corbett and foresaw the problems that could develop and wished to stay in the background. I also believe Ridge has a consulting service that parleys government business..not sure.