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How dumb do they think we are? How corrupt do WE know THEY are?

Including Sandusky and TSM getting mentioned by HW in his now famous "Thousand Points of Light......City on a hill" speech. How precisely did a nationally obscure state-focused charity headquartered in State College, PA make it into a President's National Address as a prominent reference? Let me guess, HW researched this reference himself, he didn't get it from the nationally powerful PA GOP Machine?
You must be kidding. Republican leaders are now telling the President of the United States what to say in his speech? More likely some 22 year old researcher in the bowels of the White House came up with that gem.
 
You must be kidding. Republican leaders are now telling the President of the United States what to say in his speech? More likely some 22 year old researcher in the bowels of the White House came up with that gem.
Someone like this.

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You must be kidding. Republican leaders are now telling the President of the United States what to say in his speech? More likely some 22 year old researcher in the bowels of the White House came up with that gem.

Yea, it's all "coinky dink" including Jake Corman, out of the tiny Centre County district, just happening to be Majority Leader.....oh yea, he's also the one who protected all his political cronies on PSU's BOT by selling his constituents and PSU down the river and letting the NCAA run free when they were had "dead to rights". Yea, all just coinky-dink....LMAO....btw, Occam's Razor says you're spinning and rationalizing just a tad too hard.
 
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I gather that most posters here think it's okay to smear people through guilt by (extended) association, just so long as it's not Joe Paterno or C/S/S, the apparent lone exceptions actually requiring evidence and due process.
 
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I gather that most posters here think it's okay to smear people though guilt by (extended) association, just so long as it's not Joe Paterno or C/S/S, the apparent lone exceptions actually requiring evidence and due process.


Not for me. The situtation I am referencing is something that actually occurred, and that nobody wants to see talked about...apparently.
 
I gather that most posters here think it's okay to smear people though guilt by (extended) association, just so long as it's not Joe Paterno or C/S/S, the apparent lone exceptions actually requiring evidence and due process.

Oh, you're a big believer in fairness and PROPER Constitutionally-protected due process now? Too funny, Machiavelli himself wouldn't be this big a hypocrite!
 
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I know it's tangential, but in what way was Machiavelli a hypocrite? If anything he was a straight-forward pragmatist, perhaps too much of a pragmatist. But a hypocrite?

He was a hypocrite because he was a narcissistic, morally-bankrupt pragmatist (sound familiar?). Lying, cheating, stealing and murder were only "wrong" when he wasn't the one perpetrating or benefiting from the lying, cheating, stealing or murdering. For most of us non-sociopaths with some form of a moral-compass and conscience, that's kind of the definition of hypocrisy (especially living in a democratic "republic" where the same laws, rules and rights are supposed to apply to everyone equally - the concept of "blind justice"), but I fully get that you and your ilk don't cotton to that world view or believe that you live to the same laws as the commoners.
 
A couple of points about Zimmerman. He did not parlay his status as AG to Chairmanship of Hershey Trust. Zimmerman left the AG's office around 1989-1990. He did not joint Hershey until around 2000.
While he is certainly a "kingmaker" IMO his power is overstated. y. Also, his son-in-law, David Freed, got crushed by Kane. So while he is powerful, it's not like he has any power over the PA voters.



Good points psu7113. I have never understood the notion that the Republican party establishment and anyone connected to it somehow is culpable for anything Sandusky related. If the entire affair was/is marked by the corruption many of us believe was/is present, I feel certain it had nothing to do with political affiliations. Those accusations remind me of people who think the Masons are in control of the country.
Agreed. People see what they want to see. Heck, Joe and Scott were plugged into state and national GOP politics as well. It makes no sense that people with whom they were friendly (Ridge, Corbett, perhaps even Zimmerman) would sell them out. If somebody in the GOP establishment is behind this, it is serendipitous and not because of politics. Plus, the GOP machine has nothing on the Democrat machine in a union, industrial state like PA.
 
Including Sandusky and TSM getting mentioned by HW in his now famous "Thousand Points of Light......City on a hill" speech. How precisely did a nationally obscure state-focused charity headquartered in State College, PA make it into a President's National Address as a prominent reference? Let me guess, HW researched this reference himself, he didn't get it from the nationally powerful PA GOP Machine?
You do realize, don't you, that no less than one Joe Paterno gave HW's nominating speech at the 1988 GOP Convention in New Orleans. Joe was good friends with HW and those connections helped Scott in his unsuccessful foray into politics (he ran for Congress after being handpicked by RNC) and his current job as a lobbyist. I am not saying that Zimmerman or his ilk may not be involved in this scandal, but the idea that this is all GOP driven is just silly. There were lots of famous, well-connected people of both political persuasions plugged into TSM, including Lynne Abraham (and Lynne Abraham ain't no republican).
 
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