So based on your logic Oregon sucks cause they had to win in last minute over Texas tech who lost to what you call a shit Wyoming team. You make no sense
How good is WVU?
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I'm willing to discuss Wyoming more after their next two games. I think Air Force beats them and that should end the discussion but if they win the next 2 then okay...they'll deserve some credit
Here's my issue. People are too quick to give teams credit and also go from believing they're great to they suck. See Bama who's still doesn't look great but might go 11-1. Wyoming nor WVU have accomplished anything other winning more games than they're used to. It's like Colorado being ranked. Colorado is much improved but not good yet.
Allowed? As if disagreement with you is disputing known fact?
And if Texas is still their lone loss, you will still proclaim they are a bad team. And likely, they probably are not great, but you seem to have preconceived notions and nothing that happens can change them.
There's absolutely no way you'd take him over most P5 QBs. Come on now. You were doing fine until that comment now you seem delusional.
I'm glad you're winning games. Unfortunately for you that means you likely won't see a coaching change until 2025.
If they beat Air Force and Boise State they move into that average team range for me. Look at their current wins. Nothing remotely decent let alone impressive unless you buy into Fresno. I give them credit for beating a bad P5 team by 2.
People can always disagree with me. I'm the end, we see who is right. Again...see Syracuse last year when everyone thought I was crazy.
Not sure the obsession with me believing WVU isn't good. We all know we lack a quality win on the resume. That hopefully changes in 2 weeks.
We find out how good Oregin is on Saturday
How many teams do you think are "good" right now?
A good team to me is one that can challenge for a playoff spot when it expands. Less than that you're at best average. Probably subpar as that's the goal. You all want to believe everyone is good.
I didn't realize Air Force was undefeated until I got to looking. Kind of shocked they are favored by 10, but they've seemingly dominated their last 2 games.
I think you judge people's judgment just as harshly as they do. Bama today isn't the juggernaut Saban put on the field weekly from '08 to '21, but they definitely do not suck. However, the amount they have fallen is kind of sucking for their standard. They've essentially bought teams through the whole Saban era and now that Kirby seems to have his pulse on recruiting and coaching and buying players is legal, it's understandable that people enjoy seeing them lose and struggle after dominating so long.
Good assessment about Bama and, yes, I'm absolutely about people overeating to a couple games. If they want to say WVU is simply better than the experts predicted that's cool but trying to use them as a good win (people were claiming better than ND because they're 4-1) then I'm going to argue that.
How do you feel about ND today? They just got beat by Louisville by 13. Technically speaking, Louisville was up 20 with 3 minutes in the 4th. And now they got USC next. Favored by 2.5, I guess we find out how good the USC offense is before their gauntlet of ranked PAC opponents.
I'm on the fence with ND. They did have a tough 4 game stretch. If they beat USC then I'll likely consider them a good team. They showed they can play with a top 10 team already. They lose...that's 3 losses and they still have an average Clemsom squad that could challenge them so not looking good. Freeman being horrendous also makes it hard for me to fully buy into them. He's good for 1 loss a year...maybe that was Louisville...maybe it's already 2 depending on how one views Ohio State.
I think we'd beat ND easier than OSU did.
They have three sure NFL OL players, one who will go in the first round. It is the best OL we will see this year.
OK, then admit you were wrong. You said that WVU was absolutely horrible. They are receiving votes in the AP poll. They may be average, but they are not horrible. Own it.
They've played 5 games. Should I have owned Syracuse was good last year at 6-0 and ranked (18th I believe) or was I right in saying they sucked as they proved 6 games later? Talking about them receiving votes is hysterical and utterly meaningless.
The season isn't close over. West Virginia is unimpressive. If you want to pretend their good even though you know better than do so but don't look for my approval.
Again, you and I clearly have a different definition of what level teams are if you think beating Duquesne, Pitt, Duquesne, TTU and TCU shows you're good. TCU lost to ISU and Colorado. TTU lost to Wyoming. Pitt lost to Va Tech and Cincinnati. Those 3 programs are 4-10 against other FBS programs. West Virginia has proven absolutely nothing. Their defense is decent. Their offense is Iowa/Pitt level bad.
Stop it with Syracuse. You've said it 20 times. We heard you. WVU is ranked 30th so unless they have a complete collapse and lose out, THEY ARE NOT HORRIBLE!!! I never claimed they were playoff contenders or even a good team, but you said they were on of the worst teams in FBS. You said you weren't sure they were better than ECU. That is absoluely not true. Just admit you were wrong.
If you heard me why are you ignoring it and still wanting me to claim WVU isn't horrible? They got 2-5 the rest of the way they're awful. Even 3-4 looking at that schedule.
There's no such thing as being ranked 30th. Again, Syracuse was ranked 18th and...
They are horrible. They're on par with the teams they've beat (see the scores).
I'm not sure they'd beat ECU. Why are you? Because WVU is a P5 team and ECU isn't or because you're desperate to believe WVU is good.
For the record, FPI still has them projected to win less than 8 games which would prove me right.
They're in a weak P5 conference (debatable which is worse ACC/Big XII) and they avoided Texas and Kansas. Still--there's doubt they can win 8 because, oh yeah, they're not a decent team that is winning games because others teams are as bad as they are.
They're in a weak P5 conference (debatable which is worse ACC/Big XII) and they avoided Texas and Kansas. Still--there's doubt they can win 8 because, oh yeah, they're not a decent team that is winning games because others teams are as bad as they are.
Why, oh why, does anyone engage this buffoon? You have the option to ignore. Use it!
Stop addressing this fake and ignore him like 60 percent of the board already does
Name calling doesn't bother me--it just proves you don't know what your talking about or too biased to have real conversations. I mean, buffoon is the best you have? Come on kiddo. This isn't pre-school.
I looked at fpi before commenting on this thread earlier. It has them losing to OU and UCF and winning the rest. That would be 9-3.
Go to espn app and click on every game.
Actually, click on this:
WVSports - ESPN FPI projections for West Virginia football's remaining games
ESPN's Football Power Index provides predictions for the remaining games on WVU's football schedule.
westvirginia.rivals.com
Favored to win 5 of 7. I go by that more than the 7.x-4.x type of stuff.
i don't because the % of the likelihood to win is huge.Go to espn app and click on every game.
Actually, click on this:
WVSports - ESPN FPI projections for West Virginia football's remaining games
ESPN's Football Power Index provides predictions for the remaining games on WVU's football schedule.
Favored to win 5 of 7. I go by that more than the 7.x-4.x type of stuff.
Sorry I'm all about data
51.6% is a coin toss game for example. Way different than the auto loss against OU.
You can't win 0.4 of a game.
Coin toss or not, the data currently leans one way or the other. They can assign 50% on any of them.
And 51.6% isn't significant enough to count that as a win. They basically have 5 toss ups and 1 guaranteed loss.
Using this we should beat Michigan which we know isn't true. It's an unknown outcome and 63.5% or whatever it is today supports that. Once you get over 80-82% it's significant.
If anything I could use that to support my argument when they dont win 9 lol
I'm not saying they will win 9. I'm pointing out fpi favors them to win 9. You aren't going to say they are good regardless. Lol let's be real here.
I probably won't think they're good unless they beat UCF and are competitive against OU but I'd at least see logic in people making the claim. Right now it's just people seeing 4-1 and not analyzing it.
Is there a more despised poster on this board than Lando? I have him on ignore so I can’t see, and don’t care to see, anything he posts. He’s a contrarian that refuses to yield his opinion even when presented with irrefutable facts. I can’t figure out if he’s playing with everyone and laughing when he posts his drivel or if he truly is a doofus.
As you supposedly ignore me yet comment about me, what irrefutable facts have been provided?
The reality is too many people here can't accept any discussion that doesn't just praise Penn State. The fact I don't think WVU is decent somehow means I hate Penn State when, in reality, it just means any team that good would beat them. We destroyed them. Same with Iowa. Same with Illinois and Northwestern (though people finally stopped saying Illinois was good).
I'm not sure I understand the UCF thing myself. Cincy and BYU appear to be tougher games.
My statement is no different than your fence-straddling, make-it-mean-whatever-suits-your-argument-du-jour of “WVU may not win more than three games this year”Yeah that .9% chance or whatever we lose to UMass is the same as 51.6%
Does the word "may" confuse you?
I said they won't win 8. Definitive statement.
And yes it's different as you know. Nothing worse than when good/decent posters get sucked in my the idiots then try to out dumb them like this.
Read the posts I'm replying to as they're discussing different things lol
I take it back--you're not better than this with that comment
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