Crap, now that I think about it, I answered a different question -- when was the last time PSU had no bonus points in a dual? I'll have to dig further to answer the question that NoVa posed.
Hypothetical Penn State - Oklahoma State match-up...?
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Crap, now that I think about it, I answered a different question -- when was the last time PSU had no bonus points in a dual? I'll have to dig further to answer the question that NoVa posed.
I think I've got the answer this time.
Jan. 30, 2015
PSU defeated Michigan, @ Michigan, 19-15. Conaway, Gulibon, Moss, Z. Beitz, and McIntosh had decisions, to account for 15 of PSU's points. Matt Brown had a major decision, over Jake Salazar, which gave PSU 4 points. As such, as best as I can tell, this is the last time that PSU scored only 1 bonus point in a dual.
There is absolutely no way that 125 is a tossup at this point. Could Pic win? Sure, Suriano is not unbeatable. However, A tossup implies that it's a 50-50 match and given their pedigrees and what they done so far, Suriano is a significant favorite.
Your really think it would go to 7th criteria? I'm thinking it gets decided in our favor at total match points.
For dual meets, since ties were eliminated after 2010-2011, total match points has been a higher criteria.
Haha, is yours a mind that tends to get stuck over-considering Meaning, too, Kid?
Tikk & I asked OkieSpladle about this, and he said he thinks we'll see Full Poke in Reno:
Actually, I was fine with your answer as my point wasn't the exactly one bonus point but that few bonus points in a dual. In any case we don't have many duals in recent history where we only scored one bonus (or zero) point(s).
Mikey T been telling you all along full team to Reno, don't you trust him?
JTO, the Cornell dual is in Stillwater. And of course I have to miss it, kids are both in tournaments that Friday/Saturday
Was looking forward to Dean/Boyd, Heil/Koll, and Smith/Palacio-assuming both wrestle.
JTO, the Cornell dual is in Stillwater. And of course I have to miss it, kids are both in tournaments that Friday/Saturday
Was looking forward to Dean/Boyd, Heil/Koll, and Smith/Palacio-assuming both wrestle.
It's odd, one month into the season we've learned more about OSU than we've learned about ourselves.
I'll take a stab at it
125 - Picc is tough but Suriano is tougher. 3-0
133 - Brock looks good, we're still uncertain about Cortez. 3-4
141 - Heil is as boring as ever, but he'll get the decision. 3-7
149 - Collica has improved, major will be tough for Zane. 6-7
157 - If they wrestled right now Smith would be in for a world of hurt.10-7
165 - Either could win big, I'll give them the 1st toss-up. 10-10
174 - Crutch will have his hands full but I'll give him a slight edge. 10-13
184 - Boyd will do well to hold it to a D. 13-13
197 - Weigel is their most overrated wrestler, we get 2nd toss-up. 16-13
285 - Schafer is off to a good start, but NN is more skilled. 19-13
125 Suriano clear favorite, possible bonus. This is no tossup, I'll stay with a decision, PSU 3-0
133 Brock clear favorite, and bonus. He's not that much more of a favorite over Cortez than Suriano is over Picc, however. There's a big dasparity in both matches, OSU 4-3
141 Heil clear favorite. Due to his style, not sure if this will get to a major or not. I don't believe it did last year. Gonna stay with a decision, OSU 7-3
149 Retherford a clear favorite, stays at a major though TIED
157 Nolf clear favorite, I'll keep it at a major again. If they wrestled tomorrow, I think Nolf would tech or pin him. Smith has much to get back after injury, PSU 11-7
165 I'm gonna split 165 and 197 between the two teams. It looks like, according to updated rankings, each team has a guy who is a very slight favorite over the other. I'll give 165 to Penn State and 197 to OSU, PSU 14-7
174 Crutchmer slight-moderate favorite over Gino/Shakur. It should be close, but either of those two guys have shown little propensity to pull these types of matches out, PSU 14-10
184 Nickal slight-moderate favorite. Boyd is solid, should be close, but I think it'll be one of those matches that looks a lot closer than it really was, kinda like Boyd wrestled against Dean a few days ago. Nickal dec, PSU 17-10
197 Already discussed, Weigal dec, PSU
17-13
285 Nevills slight favorite. I'm still trying to figure out just how good Nevills is/can be, and pay a lot of attention to each match he wrestles. Schafer is kind of an enigma for me as well, a lot of heavy's are. I'm pretty confident Nevills wins here, maybe a 6-3 type of match with a couple TD's and RT
Final PSU 20 OSU 13
I still think NCAA's could go either way though unless Mark Hall wrestles, in which case OSU would need a lot to go right and much would have to go wrong for PSU to win. Oklahomy State has a fantastic team that's very consistent and deep. Every guy is a threat to AA. The next couple months are going to be very interesting, love a classic team race
133 Brock clear favorite, and bonus. He's not that much more of a favorite over Cortez than Suriano is over Picc, however. There's a big dasparity in both matches, OSU 4-3
141 Heil clear favorite. Due to his style, not sure if this will get to a major or not. I don't believe it did last year. Gonna stay with a decision, OSU 7-3
149 Retherford a clear favorite, stays at a major though TIED
157 Nolf clear favorite, I'll keep it at a major again. If they wrestled tomorrow, I think Nolf would tech or pin him. Smith has much to get back after injury, PSU 11-7
165 I'm gonna split 165 and 197 between the two teams. It looks like, according to updated rankings, each team has a guy who is a very slight favorite over the other. I'll give 165 to Penn State and 197 to OSU, PSU 14-7
174 Crutchmer slight-moderate favorite over Gino/Shakur. It should be close, but either of those two guys have shown little propensity to pull these types of matches out, PSU 14-10
184 Nickal slight-moderate favorite. Boyd is solid, should be close, but I think it'll be one of those matches that looks a lot closer than it really was, kinda like Boyd wrestled against Dean a few days ago. Nickal dec, PSU 17-10
197 Already discussed, Weigal dec, PSU
17-13
285 Nevills slight favorite. I'm still trying to figure out just how good Nevills is/can be, and pay a lot of attention to each match he wrestles. Schafer is kind of an enigma for me as well, a lot of heavy's are. I'm pretty confident Nevills wins here, maybe a 6-3 type of match with a couple TD's and RT
Final PSU 20 OSU 13
I still think NCAA's could go either way though unless Mark Hall wrestles, in which case OSU would need a lot to go right and much would have to go wrong for PSU to win. Oklahomy State has a fantastic team that's very consistent and deep. Every guy is a threat to AA. The next couple months are going to be very interesting, love a classic team race
You and I were very close, and I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. Funny how we even approached 165/197 the same way
With that in mind (should we meet in the "National Duals"), I strongly advise that Coach Smith has a couple of his guys take a "dive" and have take the dual loss with the hope that Cael does not pull Mark Hall's RS this year!
