In my opinion too many guys want to just shove, back up and take half shots on the edge to make it look like they're doing something. We all know they're trying to keep things close so they can get lucky and win on the only actual flurry of the match. To combat this I say we change the rule that if you haven't taken a committed shot in the first period your opponent won't be hit for stalling in the third. Force actual action in the first period or your opponent will be allowed to stall his ass off during the last two minutes. It will also let the ref put his whistle in his pocket and not make stupid decisions that ruin the sport.
Idea for stalling
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Don't like it. The sport needs a clear definition for stalling that is applicable throughout all periods. With your rules, I have visions of Iowa wrestlers running around in a circle the entire 3rd period.
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Scoreless first = double stall. Might not be equitable, but it will liven up the 3rd period.
Also when guy on bottom clearly has one and ref is just waiting to see if it will be 2 reversal or 1 and 3, hold the 1 and freeze the f’ing riding time.
Also when guy on bottom clearly has one and ref is just waiting to see if it will be 2 reversal or 1 and 3, hold the 1 and freeze the f’ing riding time.
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Stalling has been an issue with me for years.
No , I m not one of those fans that yell from whistle to whistle.
I thought the refs in the tournament were slow on first period stalls. You don't need a clear cut description of stalling from the feet. You know it when you see it. If a guy is circling on perimeter in first period, that's a stall. Eliminate the kid using out of bounds as a tactic. Make them engage. If the higher ups need to put a inner 3 to 4 foot line inside the out of bounds line do so. If you don't stay in the inner line ,call it. That extra 3/4 foot would allow kids to finish without out of bounds being a hinderous.
No , I m not one of those fans that yell from whistle to whistle.
I thought the refs in the tournament were slow on first period stalls. You don't need a clear cut description of stalling from the feet. You know it when you see it. If a guy is circling on perimeter in first period, that's a stall. Eliminate the kid using out of bounds as a tactic. Make them engage. If the higher ups need to put a inner 3 to 4 foot line inside the out of bounds line do so. If you don't stay in the inner line ,call it. That extra 3/4 foot would allow kids to finish without out of bounds being a hinderous.
I was wondering if forcing the ref to make a stalling call at the end of every period that does not have an offensive point scored. First period ends 0-0 then ref has to decide who was forcing action. Same with 2nd and third however might want to avoid for 3rd period. Of course this can be tweaked a little.
Also if you score the first offensive point in a match you get choice for 2nd period and overtime. Might encourage someone to initiate earlier knowing it may benefit long term.
Also if you score the first offensive point in a match you get choice for 2nd period and overtime. Might encourage someone to initiate earlier knowing it may benefit long term.
I found it odd how the refs didn't seem to call much stalling (unless it was so over the top) the entire tournament but in the finals they for the most part did.. Ayala did himself a great injustice by not shooting, I think the stalls were there if he just pushed a little for them.
How about every time a part of a wrestler's body crosses the outer circle,opponent gets a point. That would keep them in center of mat.
First of all - Why do we have a stall warning?
In football if you do not get the play off in the allotted time -they do not warn you. You get a 5 yard penalty.
In basketball if you do not get a shot off in 24 seconds, they do not warn you - you lose the ball.
Also, make each stalling call worth a point more than the previous one. First one is 1 point. The second one is 2 points etc. That will eliminate a lot of stalling.
Get rid of the random stalemate call. If neither guy can move, then fine call it a stalemate. If one guy is trying to improve and the other is holding on to stop action and not get scored on - call it stalling and then restart them. There is no reason that a guy should be able to simply hold onto another guy to stop him from improving and get away with it.
Don't tell me in a front headlock position that neither guy can improve.
In football if you do not get the play off in the allotted time -they do not warn you. You get a 5 yard penalty.
In basketball if you do not get a shot off in 24 seconds, they do not warn you - you lose the ball.
Also, make each stalling call worth a point more than the previous one. First one is 1 point. The second one is 2 points etc. That will eliminate a lot of stalling.
Get rid of the random stalemate call. If neither guy can move, then fine call it a stalemate. If one guy is trying to improve and the other is holding on to stop action and not get scored on - call it stalling and then restart them. There is no reason that a guy should be able to simply hold onto another guy to stop him from improving and get away with it.
Don't tell me in a front headlock position that neither guy can improve.
Red and green ankle band redesigns. LolA little voltage could Inspire action.
How about the rule being changed to first stall call results in a DQ. That would encourage a lot more action! Plus, we would have the added entertainment of watching the usual cast of characters ranting and raving at a level that would make a Donald Duck temper tantrum seem mild in comparison! 😈
Actually it is. The reason being that the coaches have a LOT to say about what refs are used for duals and tournaments. Do something that annoys the wrong coach and you can end up on the outside looking in.
I hate when a wrestler chooses neutral and then proceeds to not attempt a single shot.
It's like choosing bottom and just being an "iron frog".
It was your choice, do something with it.
It's like choosing bottom and just being an "iron frog".
It was your choice, do something with it.
The definition isn't the problem so much as however they do their "points of emphasis" in the "rules interpretation", which I'm assuming is similar to how PIAA ref chapters do ours, well, they're doing a mediocre job.
Take the first two periods of 157. Very similar to Stallica vs RETHERFORD in Stillwater years ago. Zain won a boring decision, no takedowns, because they let Stallica post on the head the entire damn match, so Zain really couldn't close distance safely and rip his damn arms off. Essentially what Teemer was doing. Textbook neutral stalling. Then they call stalling more aggressively at other matches.
I can only assume that something is screwy in ref evaluations or whatever.
Well then ref eval, training and getting booted if they don't understand or implement the existing rules might be the answer. What do you think?
I’d like another circle 2-3 feet inside the out of bounds circle. Hang out there for 5 seconds it’s stalling.
They might set the schedule, but from what I understand, the coaches have a lot to say about who is acceptable to be selected. If someone with more knowledge on this subject knows differently, feel free to correct me. That's just my current understanding.
Who knows
In PIAA officiating, some chapters do a better job than others, not just in wrestling, but in every sport, in terms of training itself plus evaluations plus assignments.
There has to be a desire to improve too.
1. Pushout. Simple and effective at forcing action to the center.
Also, I'd like to see more emphasis on getting wrestlers back to the line after stoppage. Perhaps a play clock/pitch clock like in football/baseball. X seconds to get back to the line or its a stall by rule.
3. Call fleeing the mat anytime a wrestler tries to leave the circle to avoid being scored on.
I think 1 and 3 force action in the way that the 3 pt takedown was meant to. #2 speeds up matches and rewards the better conditioned wrestler.
Also, I'd like to see more emphasis on getting wrestlers back to the line after stoppage. Perhaps a play clock/pitch clock like in football/baseball. X seconds to get back to the line or its a stall by rule.
3. Call fleeing the mat anytime a wrestler tries to leave the circle to avoid being scored on.
I think 1 and 3 force action in the way that the 3 pt takedown was meant to. #2 speeds up matches and rewards the better conditioned wrestler.
Push out or touching out of bounds line in neutral position equals stall, no dq, just point each time, also allow locked hands and award point for each minute of riding time, unless eliminate riding time which tracks more to freestyle
