If the Ref calls the pin vs Heil, is Jimmy's B10 different?

[NittanyChris]

No, this is not another did he pin him or not thread.

I'm just wondering about the psychological impact of the loss on Jimmy. No one can dispute that he was on quite a roll heading into the Oklahoma State match. He was wrestling far better than he had all season. Then he follows that up with getting pinned three times?

I think it's reasonable to speculate on the impact that the loss vs Heil had on him. Did it ruin his momentum? Did it bring back all the old doubts?

Just throwing it out there for consideration.

 

[HOCKEYGOD11]

No.

 

[psualt]

No, this is not another did he pin him or not thread.

I'm just wondering about the psychological impact of the loss on Jimmy. No one can dispute that he was on quite a roll heading into the Oklahoma State match. He was wrestling far better than he had all season. Then he follows that up with getting pinned three times?

I think it's reasonable to speculate on the impact that the loss vs Heil had on him. Did it ruin his momentum? Did it bring back all the old doubts?

Just throwing it out there for consideration.

IMO there is no doubt it made a difference for him. Not saying that it should have just that it did. A confident JG is a tough out for anyone.

 

[greenmanRD]

Probably not, he's always been this inconsistent. From nearly pinning Heil (I say nearly since it wasn't called) to getting pinned 3 times. He's been pinned, what, 4 or 5 times this year?

 

[dsites52]

I have certainly dabbled in this train of thought. The fact that he was pinned 3 times is inconsequential to me. Remember that one Olympics when the best wrestler in the world took a bad loss and then just phoned it in the next match? Compound that with the fact that it has been a tulmultious career for Jimmy, I think he pressed way too hard after losing to Gasca. Jimmy doesn't need to make the finals for Penn State to win, so to that point, I believe that he can put together one last run to do what he needs to do.

 

[dunkej01]

His feet being closer to the lights then his hand after 3 seperate matches indicates one thing has nothing to with the other.

You could see him in the background sitting w rasheed during the finals and the look during those brief exchanges was a lot of smiles.

Here's to hoping he has one more run in him.

 

[El-Jefe]

He came out firing against Wilson. Really aggressive -- not the look of a guy who was afraid of losing.

If hypothetically it were true: how did he flip the mental switch so quickly?

So I don't believe it either.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No, this is not another did he pin him or not thread.

I'm just wondering about the psychological impact of the loss on Jimmy. No one can dispute that he was on quite a roll heading into the Oklahoma State match. He was wrestling far better than he had all season. Then he follows that up with getting pinned three times?

I think it's reasonable to speculate on the impact that the loss vs Heil had on him. Did it ruin his momentum? Did it bring back all the old doubts?

Just throwing it out there for consideration.

I don't believe so - the opposite seems to be the case imho. Jimmy doesn't seem capable of increasing his offensive aggressiveness from neutral without a commensurate decrease in his defense. The scouting report on Jimmy seems to be that he is susceptible to the pinning combination throw from neutral when overly-aggressive. I think Jimmy went into B1Gs with too much confidence from neutral and as he began pressing in the Consi Bracket, it only got worse.

 

[jack66]

Has any wrestler been psycho-analyzed more than Gulibon?

I think people need to let go of their expectations based on his HS career. We now have 5 years worth of data on Jimmy. Sometimes you are what your record says you are.

History would suggest that JG might wrestle well at Nationals, he might not ... we can only guess.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

My goodness would I love to see Jimmy get on that podium this year.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Has any wrestler been psycho-analyzed more than Gulibon?

I think people need to let go of their expectations based on his HS career. We now have 5 years worth of data on Jimmy. Sometimes you are what your record says you are.

History would suggest that JG might wrestle well at Nationals, he might not ... we can only guess.

Agree with you that I don't think Jimmy's performance has anything to do with psychology. Jimmy's "neutral defense" was poor in the Tournament - there is just no getting around it. Gasca took Jimmy down twice before the desperation throw attempt by Jimmy in the 3rd that led to a 3rd TD in that match and then Fall. In the other two matches, Jimmy was taken directly to his back from Neutral for the Fall. The reason Jimmy is so inconsistent is that his "Neutral Defense" just disappears at times and he gives up head-scratchingly easy TDs from neutral (and in this case, multiple TD-to-Fall combinations) -- this seems to happen when Jimmy is on a roll and starts developing confidence, perhaps he is getting over-confident and overly-aggressive in regards to his own Neutral Offense which is what is causing his defense to suffer (i.e., his opponents use the over-aggresiveness against him).

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I was only listening on the radio but it sounded like Jimmy was plenty aggressive against Gasca but fell behind and got desperate. I got the sense he got caught by Diehl. That can happen. We all know he is very dangerous. Not sure what happened in his last match but didn't get the sense he was tentative. Just sloppy.

If he tightens a few things up and has a positive attitude at NCAAs, we'll see what happens.

 

[RoarLions1]

Rear-view mirror...not a factor...my opinion.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I was only listening on the radio but it sounded like Jimmy was plenty aggressive against Gasca but fell behind and got desperate. I got the sense he got caught by Diehl. That can happen. We all know he is very dangerous. Not sure what happened in his last match but didn't get the sense he was tentative. Just sloppy.

If he tightens a few things up and has a positive attitude at NCAAs, we'll see what happens.

Not sure what causes it, but Jimmy just seems to lose track of his defense in neutral sometimes - I guess you could call it "getting sloppy", but it happens regularly enough where it just feels like Jimmy is not "defensive-minded" enough in neutral and kind of falls asleep at the switch regarding his defense. There's a happy medium between being "aggressive" and "overly aggressive" and some of it has to do with "feel" - sometimes the other guy pushes on you looking for a reaction.....you just have to be able to "feel" when this occurring.

 

[Real-Lion]

Not sure what causes it, but Jimmy just seems to lose track of his defense in neutral sometimes - I guess you could call it "getting sloppy", but it happens regularly enough where it just feels like Jimmy is not "defensive-minded" enough in neutral and kind of falls asleep at the switch regarding his defense. There's a happy medium between being "aggressive" and "overly aggressive" and some of it has to do with "feel" - sometimes the other guy pushes on you looking for a reaction.....you just have to be able to "feel" when this occurring.

Jimmy will be fine at Nationals...He just need to be AWARE of the throws and keeping his head up on his shots.....He can beat ANYONE in the country when he is on his A game which he will be at Nationals...This is his last shot to get high on the podium !

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Has any wrestler been psycho-analyzed more than Gulibon?

I think people need to let go of their expectations based on his HS career. We now have 5 years worth of data on Jimmy. Sometimes you are what your record says you are.

History would suggest that JG might wrestle well at Nationals, he might not ... we can only guess.

The words in red pretty much say it all. Gulibon is less consistent than a lot of guys, but anyone who has looked objectively over the last couple years should have a decent idea of what to expect from him. Also, Gulibon's inconsistency is biased in the wrong direction - he has shown that he can lose to most anyone, but there are a handful of guys that he is very unlikely to defeat, even on a "good" day. Therefore, evidence suggests that any expectations of a deep run at Nationals should be tempered. I could go on, but will leave it at that.

 

[Pennstate1985]

what are the chances Jimmy gets an invite?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

what are the chances Jimmy gets an invite?

Doesn't need an at-large "invite", he "auto-qualified" for one of the B1G's 9 slots at 41 at the B1G Tourney (Jimmy took 8th at B1Gs).

 

[Pennstate1985]

Doesn't need an at-large "invite", he "auto-qualified" for one of the B1G's 9 slots at 41 at the B1G Tourney (Jimmy took 8th at B1Gs).

sorry my bad. I was under the impression 141 took 7 from B1Gs.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

Not sure what causes it, but Jimmy just seems to lose track of his defense in neutral sometimes - I guess you could call it "getting sloppy", but it happens regularly enough where it just feels like Jimmy is not "defensive-minded" enough in neutral and kind of falls asleep at the switch regarding his defense. There's a happy medium between being "aggressive" and "overly aggressive" and some of it has to do with "feel" - sometimes the other guy pushes on you looking for a reaction.....you just have to be able to "feel" when this occurring.

I hear ya. The issue is this. We complain when Jimmy isn't aggressive enough. Then complain when that he's not defensive minded enough. I think with Jimmy you get one or the other. I personally would prefer he went out there and let it all fly like he has for the most part the second half of the season. I don't believe he can win consistently when he isn't aggressively shooting.

I think the coaches should emphasize in the next week how he can keep himself out of a few really bad positions he has found himself in but otherwise encourage him to go go go and finish his shots. That's his only shot to medal in my opinion.

Go Jimmy!

 

[Callthestall]

I wonder if there was ever a chance that he could of come down to 133 after Cortez injury. I don't know if he could of made cut nor if the weight guidelines would have allowed it.