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m.knox

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But you guys really are. Just own it. Be men! right? The whole masculinity thingy? Just own that you're not good people looking out for others; that you want to do what you want do, and F everyone else.

LOL... More emotional nonsense.

Trust me, you are more of a FASCIST, RACIST, AUTHORITARIAN, TOTALITARIAN then all of on the right combined.

And you stand WITH abortion. Because you care so much.
 

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LOL... More emotional nonsense.

Trust me, you are more of a FASCIST, RACIST, AUTHORITARIAN, TOTALITARIAN then all of on the right combined.

And you stand WITH abortion. Because you care so much.
I do not "stand with abortion", but I pretty much reject what you and your ilk stand for.
I enjoy the banter back and forth with you guys, Knoxy, but the stuff you guys roll out here is nothing original or of substance, nor is it based in fact. Its a white grievance emotional response in most cases, and its the same tropes over and over to generate "outrage", rather than meaningful solutions beyond the high handed, punitive stuff your kind would impose - truly racist, fascist totalitarian governing, where elections are continually fought over, like in AZ, Wisconsin, and PA, where the election laws get changed to rig it for your alt-right, Trump-idolizing, dudes and dudettes. Now that's authoritarianism Knoxy!!!
 
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m.knox

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I do not "stand with abortion", but I pretty much reject what you and your ilk stand for.
I enjoy the banter back and forth with you guys, Knoxy, but the stuff you guys roll out here is nothing original or of substance, nor is it based in fact. Its a white grievance emotional response in most cases, and its the same tropes over and over to generate "outrage", rather than meaningful solutions beyond the high handed, punitive stuff your kind would impose - truly racist, fascist totalitarian governing, where elections are continually fought over, like in AZ, Wisconsin, and PA, where the election laws get changed to rig it for your alt-right, Trump-idolizing, dudes and dudettes. Now that's authoritarianism Knoxy!!!

I stand for equality, dignity, earned success, low taxes...... And yes, I agree with your party about abortion. It is a societal necessity. Unfortunately.

You stand for RACISM, FASCISM and AUTHORITARIAN RULE.

I stand for improving the lives of women, minorities and the poor. Why do you think I roll this out all the time??

https://issuesinsights.com/2020/09/...ss-boom-that-benefited-women-minorities-most/
 

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The False equivalency that you start with is where you go off the rails.
If you don't like either party, then start a more right leaning center-right party...but you know you'll never get on a ballot with that...so the alt-right has hijacked the Republican Party to be the party of crazies and kooks.

But to be perfectly honest, I liked when the disaffected did not vote, rather than have them vote based on lies and ignorance, and faux outrage and grievances.
As I said, vote for a third-party candidate. The more that vote for a third-party candidate, the more likely a third party will emerge as a viable option. Voting for no one does no one any good, at least if you are an intelligent voter. If not, then I agree, don't vote at all. I'm going to assume you are an intelligent voter.
 

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As I said, vote for a third-party candidate. The more that vote for a third-party candidate, the more likely a third party will emerge as a viable option. Voting for no one does no one any good, at least if you are an intelligent voter. If not, then I agree, don't vote at all. I'm going to assume you are an intelligent voter.
Interesting discussion...though a 3rd party in the USA typically draws votes away from only one of the D's or the R's. What is really needed in this country are at least four parties: D, R, a center-left, and a center-right. Most other countries have 4 to 5 major parties, that end up forming coalitions to form a government and govern, which tends to lighten the extremes on both sides. But for this to happen, election laws about getting on the ballot, and some public funding would have to be changed so that the newer smaller parties would have some access, and both Ds and Rs historically oppose those changes.
 

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Interesting discussion...though a 3rd party in the USA typically draws votes away from only one of the D's or the R's. What is really needed in this country are at least four parties: D, R, a center-left, and a center-right. Most other countries have 4 to 5 major parties, that end up forming coalitions to form a government and govern, which tends to lighten the extremes on both sides. But for this to happen, election laws about getting on the ballot, and some public funding would have to be changed so that the newer smaller parties would have some access, and both Ds and Rs historically oppose those changes.
Won’t work here. Our President and VP are direct elected.....actually the Electoral College based on state voting. And Congress only remove them through impeachment or the the 25th. Most other countries have a parliamentary system where the parliament elects a Prime Minister. And that PM can be removed at any time by a vote of parliament.

In those systems they have multiple parties and usually there has to be a coalition of several parties to work together and select a PM. When that coalition dissolves, there is usually another PM selected. Often with a different coalition. It leads to unstable governments. However some like Merkel have had serious staying power. PMs often serve for short periods. Italy went through a dozen or so in six-seven years.

It would take a massive Constitutional overhaul to have that system here. Ain’t gonna happen. And be very careful of which you dream. Hitler never won more than 37% of the popular vote. But his party, the Nationalist Socialist Party, formed a coalition with the Conservative party which feared the Communist Party. He soon took over and we all know that horrific history.
 
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Won’t work here. Our President and VP are direct elected.....actually the Electoral College based on state voting. And Congress only remove them through impeachment or the the 25th. Most other countries have a parliamentary system where the parliament elects a Prime Minister. And that PM can be removed at any time by a vote of parliament.

In those systems they have multiple parties and usually there has to be a coalition of several parties to work together and select a PM. When that coalition dissolves, there is usually another PM selected. Often with a different coalition. It leads to unstable governments. However some like Merkel have had serious staying power. PMs often serve for short periods. Italy went through a dozen or so in six-seven years.

It would take a massive Constitutional overhaul to have that system here. Ain’t gonna happen. And be very careful of which you dream. Hitler never won more than 37% of the popular vote. But his party, the Nationalist Socialist Party, formed a coalition with the Conservative party which feared the Communist Party. He soon took over and we all know that horrific history.
All good points.
 

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Interesting discussion...though a 3rd party in the USA typically draws votes away from only one of the D's or the R's. What is really needed in this country are at least four parties: D, R, a center-left, and a center-right. Most other countries have 4 to 5 major parties, that end up forming coalitions to form a government and govern, which tends to lighten the extremes on both sides. But for this to happen, election laws about getting on the ballot, and some public funding would have to be changed so that the newer smaller parties would have some access, and both Ds and Rs historically oppose those changes.
I don't disagree, but we will never get there if we can't at least get a viable third party first that can challenge the Ds and Rs. This means more people supporting a third-party candidate when the D's and R's are not putting up a candidate you will vote for.
 
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