If you were influential within PSU's Admin, how much would you increase Franklin's pay to keep him?
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There will be negotiations even if Franklin is intent on leaving, if only to squeeze more money out of a future employer.
oops. Wrong reply sorry art.
PSUFBFAN said:
I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. I think he's leaving and he isn't going to make an effort to stay at PSU.
Up until Saturday, my thinking was that he would likely get an offer from either USC or LSU and use it to negotiate a better package from PSU - his salary, assistant's salaries, facilities upgrades, etc. I think PSU would have responded with an appropriate package and he probably would have stayed.
Why would lsu do that. Their fans would go nuts. Get rid of the guy that won you a champ for a guy that has been mediocre the past couple of years?
Harbaugh's is one of the few contracts that is heavy on incentives, $1mm for winning the conference, another mil for a national championship, $500k for winning the division, etc. Beleive the total can reach $3.5mm. Made sense considering how overpaid he was initially.
Franklin's marketability will hinge a lot on how the remainder of the season goes.
UGA made the CFP in 2018 (lost to Bama). But I don't disagree with your second statement, noting Georgia attracts top tier talent that only OSU and Bama rival (right now).
Harbaugh had a choice: take it or find a job elsewhere. Warde Manuel apparently wasn't uncomfortable with the possibility of finding a new coach. Seems a lot of people here are more confident than I am that Ms. Excellence can find someone better than Franklin.
I wouldn't increase his salary but I'd make a commitment to invest in the program (facilities, coaches, whatever) - and do it fast.
And @Art - did you explain how OSU generates so much more revenue than Penn State (despite a higher football payroll)? Seems if the schools are getting the same B1G TV money, and ticket sales are probably similar, where is the massive difference in revenue? Branding?
EDIT: I see the contributions are better at OSU - are those 'donations' from alums?
And @Art - did you explain how OSU generates so much more revenue than Penn State (despite a higher football payroll)? Seems if the schools are getting the same B1G TV money, and ticket sales are probably similar, where is the massive difference in revenue? Branding?
EDIT: I see the contributions are better at OSU - are those 'donations' from alums?
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This is what I was thinking. We've heard CJF mention the upgrade of facilities was needed. In addition to that, assistant coaches salaries. If you want the best, PSU would have to pay. The school/admin needs to decide if they're all in in the new world of college football. We're never going to consistently beat or out recruit the new blue bloods based on the 1970's or 1980's methods.
Do I want CJF to stay, Yes. Will he leave, I think if he sees no other way of getting a national title.
Some alumni and fans have to realize Joe is not coming back. Saban isn't coming to HV. No NFL head coach of value is willing leaving to coach college.
So at best we're a 10-2 program unless something financially changes.
The counter point is that if Franklin were a better coach Penn State could win with the level of resources that are currently being applied to football.
Really?
$2 million raise to be top 3 with Dabo and Nick. Money well spent.
I agree and he may have put himself into a corner. I do believe he was close to getting a very strong offer from LSU and may have already had one "pending". Now, if PSU finishes 2-5 in their last 7 games and looks really really bad against OSU this weekend, LSU has to rethink their position. The AD may firmly believe Franklin is the right, long term choice (ignoring the year end collapse), but he's going to have a difficult time convincing his fan base that a 4-5 and 7-5 Franklin was the best choice available.
If he hires him, Franklin will certainly win the press conference, but that crowd in Baton Rouge will begin to turn on him immediately after the first loss to Alabama. So, maybe the AD backs off and takes a safer choice like Napier from U of LA.
The SEC scheduling isnt a coincidence. SEC Schedules are set through 2025. Georgia has no upcoming games with Bama in the regular season and only plays LSU once. They've played Alabama and LSU twice in the regular season in the last decade +. So by 2026 they'll have played Alabama twice and LSU 3 times in the regular season in 15+ years. The best they'll be able to do is 1-4 in those matchups. Perception has become reality but the SEC has absolutely manipulated scheduling to their favor. Playing OSU and Michigan twice a decade would be interesting.
Big ten needs to drop the 9th game and rebalance the divisions.
After a 4 and 5 season? LMAOROFL. I like him and want him to stay but of I am AD,and he threatened to leave, I would let him. Why 8s his buyout a small fraction of the school's?
Who? Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington? They have less support?
You forgot ND. But MSU made it so his “many” is one…and for MSU that was more about timing than anything else.
This link will help you gauge the salaries of other coaches, but you'll need to sort by "Scheduled School Pay".
Highest Paid College Football Coaches & Salaries - USA TODAY
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1. Swinney $9.5 MM
2. Saban $9.5
3. Shaw $8.9
4. Orgeron $8.7
5. Riley $7.9
6. Mullen $7.6
7. Fisher $7.5
8. Smart $7.0
9. Franklin $7.0
10. Day $6.8
11. Patterson $6.1
12. Fitzgerald $5.8
13. Tucker $5.6
14. C. Kelly $5.6
15. Sarkisian $5.5
16. Stoops $5.3. Whittingham $5.2
Say what you might about game days, Franklin has made Penn State relevant. He is an accomplished recruiter seemingly specializing in athletes as opposed to earth movers, Before the Clifford injury team had a chance to be in every game and compete for championships. The big is a tough conference with, generally every season playing at least half dozen rated teams, win the conference go to the playoffs. I prefer keeping Franklin, if he is making 7M, move him to 9M, just behind Swinney and Saban. Show him the love. Question, are other Big fan bases as critical of their team and coach?
IIRC his contract wasn't that way initially. I think he was very highly paid and given that he continued to lose to OSU and not even win the division, he came under pressure and their solution was to rework his contract to a lower salary and high on incentives.
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No idea. First off, the numbers for PSU are for the Athletic Department as a whole, not just the football program and I can't tell how they are aggregating some of the detail.
Don't want to keep him; show him the door. He'll never consistently win the Big 10 or challenge for playoff spot. He's overpaid now for what he produces.
Which year are you talking about. Clifford was hurt 2019 2020 and this year. He didn’t keep a backup knowing this. What was he thinking.
