IMO Dave Joyner gets waaaay too much credit here
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Not going to stoop to the level of responding to insults but all I can say is that the record speaks for itself. I agree that Paterno had issues as he got older but whatever the staff was doing was evidently effective as far as the record is concerned. Franklin is a very good coach and I take nothing away from what he's doing. However, just because Franklin does things differently to achieve good results is no reason to tear down what Paterno did. Regardless of who succeeded Paterno, there was never any reason to tear Paterno down. The whole situation could and should have been handled a lot better.
Wasn't it assumed that Joyner leaked it at the time, quite in opposition to Golden's wishes? The top 3 candidates back then were Franklin, Charlie Strong, and Golden. For PSU only, Munchak was also a top consideration. Strong got hired by Texas early on, so were down to Franklin and Golden and Munchak. Munchak was #3 in any event, and Franklin was considered the rising star (maybe after only Strong) at the time. Franklin being the top choice was a no-brainer to anyone paying attention, yet we nearly had Golden, thanks to Joyner. His screw-up there turned into gold for him and PSU. All this from the same Joyner who had basically mis-managed O'Brien to the NFL.
And had O'Brien turned out to be a dud, the criticisms of Joyner would have been more along the lines of the good candidates (assuming the rumors at the time had some merit) he turned off by him being him, rather than for making the wrong choice.
That Joyner gets credit for anything is beyond me. The coaches hated him, the athletic dept. hated him, he alienated the football lettermen, he managed by intimidation, he was a PR disaster with the NLC.... could it be the primary reason the Inquirer is writing about him is because Ira's son is on the Inquirer board?
Not that I'm bitter..... Ha!
Judas needed a job and Ira needed a hand puppet. Joyner was never the decision maker in the athletic dept. Ira wanted control and he had it with Joyner as his mini me. I'm just wondering if visiting a casino will soon be part of PSU's game day experience.Wasn't it assumed that Joyner leaked it at the time, quite in opposition to Golden's wishes? The top 3 candidates back then were Franklin, Charlie Strong, and Golden. For PSU only, Munchak was also a top consideration. Strong got hired by Texas early on, so were down to Franklin and Golden and Munchak. Munchak was #3 in any event, and Franklin was considered the rising star (maybe after only Strong) at the time. Franklin being the top choice was a no-brainer to anyone paying attention, yet we nearly had Golden, thanks to Joyner. His screw-up there turned into gold for him and PSU. All this from the same Joyner who had basically mis-managed O'Brien to the NFL.
And had O'Brien turned out to be a dud, the criticisms of Joyner would have been more along the lines of the good candidates (assuming the rumors at the time had some merit) he turned off by him being him, rather than for making the wrong choice.
That Joyner gets credit for anything is beyond me. The coaches hated him, the athletic dept. hated him, he alienated the football lettermen, he managed by intimidation, he was a PR disaster with the NLC.... could it be the primary reason the Inquirer is writing about him is because Ira's son is on the Inquirer board?
Not that I'm bitter..... Ha!
I hear he has a tremendous singing voice.Wasn't it assumed that Joyner leaked it at the time, quite in opposition to Golden's wishes? The top 3 candidates back then were Franklin, Charlie Strong, and Golden. For PSU only, Munchak was also a top consideration. Strong got hired by Texas early on, so were down to Franklin and Golden and Munchak. Munchak was #3 in any event, and Franklin was considered the rising star (maybe after only Strong) at the time. Franklin being the top choice was a no-brainer to anyone paying attention, yet we nearly had Golden, thanks to Joyner. His screw-up there turned into gold for him and PSU. All this from the same Joyner who had basically mis-managed O'Brien to the NFL.
And had O'Brien turned out to be a dud, the criticisms of Joyner would have been more along the lines of the good candidates (assuming the rumors at the time had some merit) he turned off by him being him, rather than for making the wrong choice.
That Joyner gets credit for anything is beyond me. The coaches hated him, the athletic dept. hated him, he alienated the football lettermen, he managed by intimidation, he was a PR disaster with the NLC.... could it be the primary reason the Inquirer is writing about him is because Ira's son is on the Inquirer board?
Not that I'm bitter..... Ha!
Do you even understand what the word "Hypocrite" means? Not sure how you can apply it to my comment. I did not line my pockets with PSU money on the way in and out the door so I have no idea what point you are tying to make except to find any reason the defend Joyner.
Apparently you don't. You and your cronies whine about Paterno not getting a fair shake
and are upset that he was convicted in the court of public opinion based on rumor and innuendo.
However, you have no problem smearing Joyner "lined his pockets" based on the same. That makes you a hypocrite. Google the word and learn.
