Cardale Jones...is one answer...the dude (while not playing school) ripped through the college playoffs with very little experience at the time...and was very impressive at doing it...(God I hated writing such praise...) But that's just my opinion....
In defense of Rahne
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Cardale Jones...is one answer...the dude (while not playing school) ripped through the college playoffs with very little experience at the time...and was very impressive at doing it...(God I hated writing such praise...) But that's just my opinion....
Nope. And nobody suggested as much.
I'm pretty sure you won't find anyone that disagrees that between your explosive plays and getting turnovers, plays that at least result in first downs providing additional opportunities for explosive plays -- and such, an increase in time of possession -- should be the goal.
Well, here is what the OP wrote:
Why can't the offensive emphasis be about taking what the defense gives? If they want to let us score quickly with big plays then great. We could do no worse than the same on the other side of the ball.
Otherwise, if I am playing defense, I would care about how many plays I spend on the field and how much rest I get between each series. There are two parts to the final score.
Taking what the defense gives is fine..... but you need to go beyond that and develop your whole game. You don't play the same defense every week.
Or maybe it was the defense in the fourth that had a 2 touchdown lead given to them by the offense because that's what actually happened. It's like blaming fourth and five play for the loss of the game. Blaming one play is ridiculous in a game of many mistakes on O and D.
We are not a ball control offense and never will be. Army will most likely never win anything worthwhile again. Why would anyone emulate them? They have a single philosophy and if it doesn't work, they're screwed. They can barely throw a forward pass.
The biggest reason why we lost some of those games is getting conservative, not running our offense, and trying to eat clock and shorten the game rather than trying to score more points. Going deeper into the conservative offense hole isn’t going to be a recipe for success.
I don't know idf he used the "whole package", only the staff would know that but Trevor Lawrence from Clemson was pretty good.
So your assumption then classifies Tyler Bowen (current TE coach) also as a "coffee fetcher"? He is the current TE coach and a very good one. I think you might be wrong in assigning that title.
He was the best QB in the country last year as a freshman - the kid is a phenom
seeing how the guy at MSU makes $402k a year coaching TE's I think I would take it. The guy at OSU coaching TE's is making $950K a year (though he also has the title of Co-OC, mostly to justify his salary), again I'd take. Any of the 10 at PSU I would guess are making at least $350k+ per year, mostly more. Again I'll get coffee for that.
I think this is a fair assessment. However, Trace only had a limited amount of time learning the RPO before having to go out and do it in live action. Sean Clifford has had two previous years learning this offense so I expect him to start making better reads quicker than it took McSorley to do the same thing.
Don’t get me wrong, though. I think Clifford balled out against Buffalo. I think he has a very high ceiling.
Don’t get me wrong, though. I think Clifford balled out against Buffalo. I think he has a very high ceiling.
Understand where you're coming from, and I think we're splitting hairs. Perhaps TOP isn't a goal (as you said in the post to which I responded), but that doesn't mean they disregard things that would likely lead to more TOP. For example, because it's been a problem, we often hear Franklin refer to getting better on third down conversions.
Franklin/Moorhead/fans/whomever can honestly say "we don't care all that much about TOP," but at the same time call third down conversions a point of emphasis - which directly leads to a higher TOP. So, directly they might not care about TOP - which just means it's not the motivating stat/result - but indirectly the do care about it.
Fair point...but I'm still haunted by that play call on 4th and 5. Everybody in the stadium knew the play was doomed as soon as it began to unfold. Worst play call ever.
I didn't say we should emulate Army. I used them as an example to show the value of ball control, that it can be an equalizer even when a team's defense is overmatched. I thought I made that point clear.
You are right. The defense did not hold late (actually, in either of the last two games against OSU). But the question is: Why? Not that it simply occurred while the other half of the team scored enough points, whatever that is. Maybe two touchdowns isn't enough if the defense is tired and the offense is unable or unwilling to keep a foot on the gas.
If my memory is correct, we got conservative on offense in Columbus trying to protect a lead. Is our offense by nature unable to be conservative, or did we simply not take what the defense gave at the time? Last year OSU ran lots of screen plays that we failed to defend. Again, the question in each case is: Why?
I do know that running back screen plays were once part of our offense, but not now. I surmise that the defense would see them in practice, and we were therefore usually prepared. I think we got away from them a few years ago when our OL failed to be deep enough to execute them. Or was it because RB screens are not part of the Moorhead system?
The point I'm making is that this "big play" offense is missing some things, and that these have an impact on the other side of the ball.
That is the problem I have with Moorhead and his followers. He makes no mention of the pitfalls, but there are many. It's a style that stresses the defense unless the offense is successful throughout the entire course of the game.
Some of the posters on this board (me included) have an easier time remembering stuff from 40 or 50 years ago better than what happened last week.
This is a valid point. There are times when you want TOP. A concern is that if your defense is consistently on the field 3/4 of the time, there is likely to be significant attrition on that side of the ball by midseason.
IIRC, our '94 team , ranked by ESPN as the 16th best of All-Time , had a piss poor time of possession ratio. Ki-jana, Kerry and Co. almost always scored on big play explosions. #pointsmatter
I'm not enough of an Xs and Os guy, but maybe it's hard to do both.
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I still to this day do not think it was a terrible play call. It was a "tendency buster," everyone in that stadium thought trace was keeping the ball. I think even OSU did, but hey called that stunt and sort of got bailed out. I think they called that stunt assuming a pass or QB draw. If you watch that video, that play was going to go LONG if we picked up that stunt. We did'nt, hence its a terrible play call. I actually thought it took some stones to call that on 4th and 5 and obviously, they had done some film study to think it might be there, Purdue ran the same play to aplomb to gash OSU in their upset.
Clifford (6'2", 216) is built similar to Aaron Rodgers when he turned pro (6'2", 223). Rodgers ran a 4.71 at the combine. If Clifford is a 4.58 guy at PSU, he'd probably run no worse than a 4.7.
While Clifford is a long way from being on Rodgers level, he is similarly a passer first. Unless he inproves and defenses can't stop it, I don't see the need for him to have more rushing attempts than our RBs.
While Clifford is a long way from being on Rodgers level, he is similarly a passer first. Unless he inproves and defenses can't stop it, I don't see the need for him to have more rushing attempts than our RBs.
Would not have been hard for the '94 team, so it isn't like one precludes the other, unless there is something systemic about the offense that prevents it from doing both. Maybe Collins and company did not win time-of-possession, but they could have if they needed to protect a lead.
The players on this offense could become just as good, especially Clifford. I'll take undefeated in just one season over the next three. If that happens call me converted to the Moorhead Way.
Purdue trap blocked the play, I think we tried to man block the play. Had we zone blocked (like Buffalo did to us) the RB would have hit his head on the goal post.
1994 was a once in a generation offensive juggernaut that could play finesse or power seemingly at will.
I didn't say its impossible, but perhaps it's very difficult to be both. As stated....I dont know. Just throwing the idea out there.
I don't think there was any particular scheme in place to speed up the tempo in '94.
You just had a slew of NFL quality Jr and Sr players playing together. The RBs had massive holes. Every receiver could get open. And a QB who could deliver the ball.
Really liked the play Rahne had with Freiermuth splitting the defense for a TD. The Bulls overloaded the box. I honestly have no idea if this was the called play or if Clifford checked into it, but it was a thing of beauty.
The roll out TE shovel pass was another innovative design, although against a better defense that gets a first down but not a TD.
The roll out TE shovel pass was another innovative design, although against a better defense that gets a first down but not a TD.
Either we made adjustments at the half or we went straight to the plays that the staff are already comfortable running because the defense wasn't "worn down" after our 17 first half plays. "MAC level depth" didn't catch up to them. The pick 6 didn't force them into throwing more often. They were down 4 points.
There are far worse times to play a bad half of football.
Say what? How does that have anything to do with my comment? Y'all love blaming Rhane, you have zero clue of why plays are called or who are responsible for said calls. I remind you, Franklin was on board with the call. Rhane however took the heat for it publicly. Only fools blame a game on one single call because they simply want to blame. 11 wins has absolutely nothing to do with the D giving up plays and many missed tackles. Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the game with tOSU.
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