Interesting that Facebook, Instragram, WhatsApp all down worldwide...
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Because social media companies have the ability to know how their product is actively being misused, and by whom, and could do something about it. It doesn’t go out the door of a store and leave their control.
And because the gun and alcohol makers don’t watch you get drunk and shoot somebody and then intentionally plant more ideas in your head about doing it again, to increase their profits.
yeah, your comparison is just bad and an obvious attempt at trolling, no reason to respond. basically people are not saying that Facebook should be responsible for what people post. but they are responsible for algorithims that directly target people with false information and/or derisive information. They also censor whomever they want. So just apples and oranges to what you are implying.
You didn't already know this? It is shocking to me how people react to social media, it really is. There is so much obvious bad in it, it outweighs the good.
I wouldn't be surprised if Anonymous or some group similar took them down. Seems to be what they live for.
Reports say member info of 1.5 billion Facebook, IG, and What’sapp accounts went on the dark web for sale.
I read the domain is for sale as well. Also employees can't even enter their buildings to see how bad things are because their swipe cards don't work.
That's a shame.
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What Happened to Facebook, Instagram, & WhatsApp?
Here’s a link to the 60 Minutes story if you missed it.
www.cbsnews.com
Whistleblower: Facebook is misleading the public on progress against hate speech, violence, misinformation
Frances Haugen says in her time with Facebook she saw, "conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for Facebook." Scott Pelley reports.
www.cbsnews.com
I stand corrected. That's what happens when I over generalize about the platforms I am mostly unfamiliar with. 🙏
I am sure there are good parts of these platforms, but the bad seems to outweigh the good. I can see where getting highlights of your favorite sports teams or info on local business you frequent being helpful/useful.
Facebook is great for following people and seeing pictures of kids,etc...the issue is that literally every other post is an advertisement now. And then all of a sudden you get deluged with different groups that all of a sudden show up and if you don't pay attention, your feed is 80% adds and groups you never signed up for. So you have to constantly police it and unfollow everything. For most people they don't do that and Facebook just becomes an echo chamber of whatever they click on.
Right, the gun and alcohol makers have no idea how their product is being used.
Just because Facebook can do something about it doesn't mean they have a responsibility to do something. They are in the business of making money and they are good at it. Let's blame them.
To me there are two separate and distinct issues with Facebook and the other social sites: 1) the spreading of (mis)information and 2) the censoring of posts and users. I thought the "whistle-blower", and I put that in quotes because legally I don't think the entities haven't broken any laws, addressed issue number 1. The problem is the 'problem solvers' think it should extend to include active censoring of divergent opinions. Unfortunately for Facebook and the like they have made an enemy of both camps.
Personally I don't think censoring should be occurring. People are fully capable of filtering out garbage. The social sites can address this by not actively promoting content unless requested. When you censor, you lend an air of credibility to the censored material, and imply competing arguments have weaknesses and are not as strong. How weak is your argument or how soft are you when you feel compelled to ban different viewpoints in a supposedly open forum?
By the way, anyone believe Facebook's explanation for the outage? This looks a little too selective of an explanation to me.
www.yahoo.com
Personally I don't think censoring should be occurring. People are fully capable of filtering out garbage. The social sites can address this by not actively promoting content unless requested. When you censor, you lend an air of credibility to the censored material, and imply competing arguments have weaknesses and are not as strong. How weak is your argument or how soft are you when you feel compelled to ban different viewpoints in a supposedly open forum?
By the way, anyone believe Facebook's explanation for the outage? This looks a little too selective of an explanation to me.
Facebook explains app outage after services are restored
Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp are back. The apps, owned by Facebook, stopped working Monday for millions of users across the U.S., according to outage site Down Detector. Both the mobile and web browser editions of the apps were not working as of 11:42 a.m.
I completely disagree with that. I find people more often than not make poor decisions based on a lack of information than too much.
To me there are two separate and distinct issues with Facebook and the other social sites: 1) the spreading of (mis)information and 2) the censoring of posts and users. I thought the "whistle-blower", and I put that in quotes because legally I don't think the entities haven't broken any laws, addressed issue number 1. The problem is the 'problem solvers' think it should extend to include active censoring of divergent opinions. Unfortunately for Facebook and the like they have made an enemy of both camps.
Personally I don't think censoring should be occurring. People are fully capable of filtering out garbage. The social sites can address this by not actively promoting content unless requested. When you censor, you lend an air of credibility to the censored material, and imply competing arguments have weaknesses and are not as strong. How weak is your argument or how soft are you when you feel compelled to ban different viewpoints in a supposedly open forum?
By the way, anyone believe Facebook's explanation for the outage? This looks a little too selective of an explanation to me.
Facebook explains app outage after services are restored
Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp are back. The apps, owned by Facebook, stopped working Monday for millions of users across the U.S., according to outage site Down Detector. Both the mobile and web browser editions of the apps were not working as of 11:42 a.m.
they are actively pushing extreme content on purpose, that is line that is crossed that is the issue in my mind along with what you said. One thing to let people find things on their own. another to actively 'spy' on the things they are posting and looking at and continue to push content to them to the extreme.
They're pushing all content on purpose. What one person deems extreme may be common sense to another. Is Kim Kardashian inherently the devil? How about Joe Biden? Or Donald Trump? Too many people want to latch onto and view censoring of content as the solution to spreading unpopular views. To me the real question is how to address the underlying model without censoring content. I suspect the politicians and many others will conflate the two issues. Considering Facebook and others' prior actions they have made enemies in both camps, and you see the results in some of the solutions being bandied about.
I vehemently disagree with that. People are making bad choices because of access to bad information/headlines and not being thorough enough to filter out the junk, of which the internet is chock full of (especially on Facebook).
Its the internet in 2021. There is never a lack of information on anything anymore.
She talked about "hate speech". That's a completely subjective term. Who gets to decide what is offensive? And misinformation... how many examples do we have now of people being censored for stuff that ends up being true? Who would you trust to police this?
You have a much more cynical view of people than I do. People are fully capable of filtering out things they consider nonsense. Different people have different views and values on certain things. Suppressing and censoring information isn't the answer. That is also not the same as preferentially spamming certain information, and should not be viewed as the same thing. Unfortunately, you have people who conflate the two issues and view them as the same thing.
I can definitely see some people trying to go after these social media giants similar to the way the government went after the tobacco companies. That said, I am always concerned about how this could lead to additional attempts to restrict free speech.
These companies clearly engage in business practices that are harmful to many children, especially girls. Ideally, parents should not allow their kids to use these platforms, at least until they can pay their own phone bills.
The biggest societal problem we have now is a deficit of virtue. I don’t think our society as we have known it can continue without some critical amount of it, an amount which we currently don’t have.
These companies clearly engage in business practices that are harmful to many children, especially girls. Ideally, parents should not allow their kids to use these platforms, at least until they can pay their own phone bills.
The biggest societal problem we have now is a deficit of virtue. I don’t think our society as we have known it can continue without some critical amount of it, an amount which we currently don’t have.
I dont think a lot of people are capable of filtering out the fake nonsense. Reminds me of the old Carlin joke... Think of how dumb the average person is, then remember 50 percent of people are dumber that that.
I think you have a lot of politicians hoping to use social media to try and infringe on freedom of speech since the government legally can't. Never let a crisis go to waste.
It's a nice joke, but I don't find it terribly accurate. If it was even remotely possible to measure intelligence I think you would find the vast majority of people would fall under a bell curve, with little discernable difference between them. There would be a few on the extremes who might have an eidetic memory or intellectual disability, but the vast, vast majority of people can accomplish almost any task. There might be a slight difference in reps or effective training program, but everyone can learn just about any task. Too many people simply cannot accept that the person who has a different opinion from themselves is just as intelligent as they are.
"People are fully capable of filtering out garbage"To me there are two separate and distinct issues with Facebook and the other social sites: 1) the spreading of (mis)information and 2) the censoring of posts and users. I thought the "whistle-blower", and I put that in quotes because legally I don't think the entities haven't broken any laws, addressed issue number 1. The problem is the 'problem solvers' think it should extend to include active censoring of divergent opinions. Unfortunately for Facebook and the like they have made an enemy of both camps.
Personally I don't think censoring should be occurring. People are fully capable of filtering out garbage. The social sites can address this by not actively promoting content unless requested. When you censor, you lend an air of credibility to the censored material, and imply competing arguments have weaknesses and are not as strong. How weak is your argument or how soft are you when you feel compelled to ban different viewpoints in a supposedly open forum?
By the way, anyone believe Facebook's explanation for the outage? This looks a little too selective of an explanation to me.
Facebook explains app outage after services are restored
Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp are back. The apps, owned by Facebook, stopped working Monday for millions of users across the U.S., according to outage site Down Detector. Both the mobile and web browser editions of the apps were not working as of 11:42 a.m.
Joe,
I agree with almost everything your stating except the quote above. If that where true this all would be a lesser problem.
While I would agree kids are still developing and don't have the benefit of experience to put things in perspective, the rest of people are fully capable of making their own choices. That was a poor distinction made on my part. Unfortunately I highly doubt you will see fixes aimed at just kids, or even at all. Expect much more draconian measures proposed that often have no connection to solving the issue regarding kids. Never let a crisis go to waste.
I beg to differ. It is the quality of the information not the quantity of information. Agree to disagree.
Agree. The test board is only an extension of what's happening in society overall. Impossible to have a real conversation. The minute you disagree, it becomes a blood bath!
NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t trust anyone to police anything - I mean anythiiiinnngggggg !!
One thing I learned today while watching some of the hearing, is that only 10% of Facebook-IG-WA revenue is in America. It is used almost as a weapon by some bad actors in other countries. Also, FB was aware of the harm it was doing to young teens and didnt stop it.
Whoops, wrong thread -- but it's never a bad day to take a shot at the media! 😇I know it’s basically Hunger Games here but you know better. And on game day!
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