Is Penn St leadership regretting the silly Franklin contract?
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I don’t think they care, and that’s part of the problem!
You lost me with the word 'leadership'
No, because he’ll never see the end of the current contract. If he succeeds, he’ll want to renegotiate or he’ll leave. That’s just the way it works with all coaches these days. If he doesn’t succeed, he’ll leave on his own and go elsewhere. “Some” obviously don’t understand that the contract term is meaningless.
You are probably correct. Shrinking the status of the program relieves them of having to deal with the decrepit Beaver Stadium and chasing overpaid coaches. Drop the stadium to 40,000 and aim to be Northwestern of the east. It might actually be net positive over time. The younger students do not have the same desire to be in State College 8 Saturdays in the fall and the current ticket holders aren't getting any younger.
40,000 is unrealistically low, but the concept is interesting. Cameron Indoor (capacity of 9,314) at Duke might be a good example of how a smaller venue can support a major college athletics program.
If they don’t produce with the talent in this year’s recruiting class, the coaching situation will take care of itself.
The entire Nebraska program and fans would kill to be playing in New Years day
It would have been nice if we had played today
In 2024-2025, Penn State will regret giving Franklin this contract, after a couple more lackluster seasons and his inability to live up to the 2022 recruiting class’ #6 ranking.
The heralded 2018 recruiting class was also ranked #6 and look how that class as a whole performed during its 3rd and 4th years in the program. I am bringing this factoid up for all the people who think the 2022 recruiting class is going to get Franklin to the promised land…we have no idea if and how many of the 2022 players will pan out.
The heralded 2018 recruiting class was also ranked #6 and look how that class as a whole performed during its 3rd and 4th years in the program. I am bringing this factoid up for all the people who think the 2022 recruiting class is going to get Franklin to the promised land…we have no idea if and how many of the 2022 players will pan out.
Absolutely not. The contract is a major part of their plan to de-emphasize football.
If he succeeds????
Damn we just threw another million at him for a 7-6 team, 11-11 over the past two years. People including myself have to wonder if the program is getting their moneys worth out of Franklin and his staff. They had a month to study AU defense and offense with a season's worth of tape and it looked like they were poorly prepared on both sides of the ball.
Northwestern of the east??? Have you seen how our academic rankings have slid over the past decade or two???
If Franklin does not succeed by 2024-2025, then where is Franklin going to go?
Based on the timeline of events and comments made, Franklin and Penn State started negotiating his new contract in late September/early October, which was the same time period of Franklin’s name being mentioned for other jobs. As the 2021 season wore on, football experts said Franklin’s name was not coming up anymore and people questioned his two seasons in a row of lackluster results. In general, Franklin’s market value has plummeted. Where is Franklin going to go after a couple more lackluster seasons? I can’t see any decent football program wanting him.
Not entirely…but all of our best “players” elected not to play.
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Desperate programs will be only too happy to take him. He won’t stay here and be bludgeoned by press and fans year after year. The reduced buyout after a couple years will make it easy.
Penn State “leadership” has perfected that over the years.
Once again, Franklin should be given 2 years to right the ship. If he fails should get his marching papers and the BOT should be marched on to remove the sick element within.
To me, the question is: How do two very average people get the top jobs at our University?
Sandy Barbour is an extremely average individual - midwit IQ, no real accomplishments, bad personality. There's no reason in a meritocracy that she'd advance past shift manager at McDonalds.
Eric Barron - same thing. Midwit IQ, is not impressive (fat and unfit), in no way is he impressive.
How does this happen?
Because once that happens, things like declining academic standards, bad hires, poor culture - all creep in very rapidly.
Sandy Barbour is an extremely average individual - midwit IQ, no real accomplishments, bad personality. There's no reason in a meritocracy that she'd advance past shift manager at McDonalds.
Eric Barron - same thing. Midwit IQ, is not impressive (fat and unfit), in no way is he impressive.
How does this happen?
Because once that happens, things like declining academic standards, bad hires, poor culture - all creep in very rapidly.
This happens because Penn State wants to be politically correct. They will hire subjective sh-ts to achieve that end.
Fifty years ago, a mentally ill group tried to seize control of Penn State. They were dispersed.
Now the BOT has brought the progeny of this trash back to sully Penn State.
Now the BOT has brought the progeny of this trash back to sully Penn State.
Hahah. 2 years? So if he doesn’t, you are going to show him the door with a $68Million dollar one time payment check?
Yes. Some don’t understand the terms of this contract, but your suggestion of he will leave on he own isn’t quite right He will only leave by succeeding here by year three or later. You are correct that at that time the buy out for another school to get him drops to a “reasonable” level for a winning coach. And that school will improve on the remaining value (roughly $50-60m guaranteed) Or he gets even better terms here and stays.
However, you suggest he will leave on his own. That is never ever going to happen. He is guaranteed thru 10 years and has zero reason to give it and $8M reasons per year to stay.
OTOH if it’s so bad he has to leave, PSU could fire him and write him a big fat check…which might happen, but I can’t imagine that being the case until after year 8 or so when that buyout is around $16M.
To be fair, you are right. It won’t go 10. But average to losing which is where we are….will get him 8.
If the goal is to become the NW of the east, the BOT has failed to show progress on the academic side. PSU's rankings as an academic institution is dropping.
Definitely a more accurate accounting of what is likley to happen.
That said, if fans stop coming to the games and the program starts to slip into irrelevance, its going to get mighty sweaty for Franklin and the University. FOotball under James is very profitable at the moment, thats not a guarantee after he posts another 500 type season in a row next year. Going to start to hear from alumni, boosters, old players that "a change is needed." The media won't be friendly covering the program anymore, it won't pay to be, nobody will believe fluff pieces on the state of the program. Franklin is emotionally immature(dont make me give examples), how is it going to be when there are 50 or 60K empty seats in that stadium to watch his product? I keep saying, if you don't believe in Franklin and your displease with the product, BDS them, thats the only way things change, stop going,spending, caring. If things get as bad as I think they could, I see Franklin and Fumi taking a little "rebuild/recharge" at a mid-level Pac 12 school or something. Much more plausible than Franklin answering tough questions for the next 10 years.
