Is the narrative that Franklin fixed Penn State's culture? (Kent State broadcast)

[BobPSU92]

I watched the Kent State game in a bar on Saturday, and I had difficulty hearing the FS1 broadcast at times. As Penn State's lead grew in the second half, the announcers started to get away from the game, as often happens. At one point, they talked about the great job Franklin was doing, and I believe the discussion turned to the sandusky scandal and how Franklin had rebuilt the program. Was the gist of the discussion that Franklin not only rebuilt the program (recruiting, winning, top-ten rankings), but that he also fixed the culture? I thought I heard comments along those lines.

Thank you.

 

[PrtLng Lion]

Anything is possible from a channel that hires Colin Cowturd.

But admittedly I didn't hear the part about the culture.

 

[Obliviax]

I don't believe that is what they said or meant, but I can understand how someone might take it that way.

They said CJF was the perfect fit for PSU and talked about him rebuilding the program. I didn't hear "culture" but could have missed it. They went on to say that O'Brian was a kick butt dude and kind of an old school coach but that CJF was better at selling the program to admin, fans and players. They said they thought PSU would be down for 20 years but CJF's success in selling the program internally and externally was a key to success.

They were precariously close to going down the path of Sandusky and the culture but, in my mind, never really did. I thought they did a decent job of it and were pretty accurate.

 

[Art]

I watched the Kent State game in a bar on Saturday, and I had difficulty hearing the FS1 broadcast at times. As Penn State's lead grew in the second half, the announcers started to get away from the game, as often happens. At one point, they talked about the great job Franklin was doing, and I believe the discussion turned to the sandusky scandal and how Franklin had rebuilt the program. Was the gist of the discussion that Franklin not only rebuilt the program (recruiting, winning, top-ten rankings), but that he also fixed the culture? I thought I heard comments along those lines.

Thank you.

There is no question that Franklin has done a tremendous job with the football program. But I'd really like to hear a commentator cite specific instance of him fixing the "culture." I mean, I can't recall Franklin punching Indiana Fats in the face.

 

[NittPicker]

I wasn't aware there was anything which needed fixing aside from the BoT.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

Call me jaundiced, but given the amount of time Brando and Tillman dedicated to their "message", my immediate suspicion was that they were instructed / strongly encouraged by someone in a position of power to deliver said message.

 

[Option Bob]

Call me jaundiced, but given the amount of time Brando and Tillman dedicated to their "message", my immediate suspicion was that they were instructed / strongly encouraged by someone in a position of power to deliver said message.

I certainly don't doubt what you are saying here, for I can see it weekly/annually at ABC/ESPN ... but why would Fox continue to seek further denigration of Penn State football? Is there another Syracuse alum running Fox?

 

[psuro]

They were talking about the yogurt culture. Franklin stopped by the Berkey Creamery and fixed one of the coolers where the yogurt is kept.

 

[step.eng69]

I watched the Kent State game in a bar on Saturday, and I had difficulty hearing the FS1 broadcast at times. As Penn State's lead grew in the second half, the announcers started to get away from the game, as often happens. At one point, they talked about the great job Franklin was doing, and I believe the discussion turned to the sandusky scandal and how Franklin had rebuilt the program. Was the gist of the discussion that Franklin not only rebuilt the program (recruiting, winning, top-ten rankings), but that he also fixed the culture? I thought I heard comments along those lines.

Thank you.

I listened to Ham/Jones , sorry, that was Pitt. i was at the Kent St game...F'n age, losing my mind.

Bob, what were you doing in a bar, thought you didn't drink.

 

[step.eng69]

Indiana Fats

vast wasteland

 

[tboyer]

I don't believe that is what they said or meant, but I can understand how someone might take it that way.

They said CJF was the perfect fit for PSU and talked about him rebuilding the program. I didn't hear "culture" but could have missed it. They went on to say that O'Brian was a kick butt dude and kind of an old school coach but that CJF was better at selling the program to admin, fans and players. They said they thought PSU would be down for 20 years but CJF's success in selling the program internally and externally was a key to success.

They were precariously close to going down the path of Sandusky and the culture but, in my mind, never really did. I thought they did a decent job of it and were pretty accurate.

It wasn't really clear, but my sense of it was not that they were talking about Sandusky so much as all the many traditions that had been part of the program under Paterno, and how the combination of O'Brien and Franklin had managed the transition so amazingly well. It was really a positive comment, didn't seem to be taking a slap at PSU at all.

I can't remember whether it was during the broadcast or BTN afterwards, but someone was talking about how at the time the sanctions were announced, many people in college football expected it would be 10-20 years before PSU could fully recover. And then somehow there was PSU winning the B1G in 2016.

 

[step.eng69]

They were talking about the yogurt culture. Franklin stopped by the Berkey Creamery and fixed one of the coolers where the yogurt is kept.

Good Lord, ya had me on the first glance, then i read the post....

 

[tboyer]

Just for what it's worth, Brando was pretty bad. Got player's names wrong, missed a bunch of on the field calls, just said a bunch of dumb unprepared things. Gave Tyler Shoop credit for Kuntz's catch, that sort of sloppiness was happening the whole game.

There was a play early in in the game where McSorley changed the cadence to draw Kent defender offside (which was definitely a response to what Kent had done to Windsor), and both Brando and Tillman missed the play and thought McGovern had jumped when McGovern was clearly doing what he was supposed to do in coming out of his stance to force the flag on the defender. And given they were at the goalline, this was actually a really good time for McSorley to do that.

Anyway Fox showed the replay and Brando and Tillman STILL didn't get it (and the producers didn't tell them). One of them remarked that the defender hadn't made contact with the O-linemen (which is a rule that changed years ago, so they should be up on that).

Anyway I've seen worse broadcasting, but you can see why Brando and Tillman do the C grade Fox games.

 

[truk88]

There is no question that Franklin has done a tremendous job with the football program. But I'd really like to hear a commentator cite specific instance of him fixing the "culture." I mean, I can't recall Franklin punching Indiana Fats in the face.

Franklin was the one who got MK and SpYker removed from this board.

 

[psuro]

Tillman is just not good. Never been a PSU guy even before the scandal.

 

[Art]

Franklin was the one who got MK and SpYker removed from this board.

I didn't know that. So Brando and Tillman have a point other than the ones at the top of their respective heads.

 

[nits74]

I don't believe that is what they said or meant, but I can understand how someone might take it that way.

They said CJF was the perfect fit for PSU and talked about him rebuilding the program. I didn't hear "culture" but could have missed it. They went on to say that O'Brian was a kick butt dude and kind of an old school coach but that CJF was better at selling the program to admin, fans and players. They said they thought PSU would be down for 20 years but CJF's success in selling the program internally and externally was a key to success.

They were precariously close to going down the path of Sandusky and the culture but, in my mind, never really did. I thought they did a decent job of it and were pretty accurate.

Pretty much my take on it also. They also alluded to how the older alumni felt disenfranchised after the Sandusky mess, and that Franklin was able to both blend excitement for the future with bringing the older fan base back into the fold to an extent. I thought it was a fair synopsis all things considered.

 

[psuro]

Pretty much my take on it also. They also alluded to how the older alumni felt disenfranchised after the Sandusky mess, and that Franklin was able to both blend excitement for the future with bringing the older fan base back into the fold to an extent. I thought it was a fair synopsis all things considered.

They mentioned him taking the names off the jerseys as the springboard for that.

If he really wants to make the older alums happy - have the kids be cleanshaven or appropriately shaved, and have them wear suits on the road for road games.

Now get off my lawn!

 

[BBrown]

Just for what it's worth, Brando was pretty bad. Got player's names wrong, missed a bunch of on the field calls, just said a bunch of dumb unprepared things. Gave Tyler Shoop credit for Kuntz's catch, that sort of sloppiness was happening the whole game.

There was a play early in in the game where McSorley changed the cadence to draw Kent defender offside (which was definitely a response to what Kent had done to Windsor), and both Brando and Tillman missed the play and thought McGovern had jumped when McGovern was clearly doing what he was supposed to do in coming out of his stance to force the flag on the defender. And given they were at the goalline, this was actually a really good time for McSorley to do that.

Anyway Fox showed the replay and Brando and Tillman STILL didn't get it (and the producers didn't tell them). One of them remarked that the defender hadn't made contact with the O-linemen (which is a rule that changed years ago, so they should be up on that).

Anyway I've seen worse broadcasting, but you can see why Brando and Tillman do the C grade Fox games.

I didn't see all the full replay but Brando also made some weird mention of PSU not having a National Championship until the mid 80's. (forgetting the sugar bowl Georgia game of '82) and then he got the upper decks mixed up. Which hey thats fine it happens but someone on the broadcast or in the truck needs to correct it.

 

[tboyer]

I didn't see all the full replay but Brando also made some weird mention of PSU not having a National Championship until the mid 80's. (forgetting the sugar bowl Georgia game of '82) and then he got the upper decks mixed up. Which hey thats fine it happens but someone on the broadcast or in the truck needs to correct it.

Yeah he said 1986, I yelled "82" at the TV but he didn't hear me.

It's no biggie but the high quality crews don't make mistakes like this. The good ones don't say stuff on the air if they're not sure it's true. To get the date of Penn State's first national championship, heck someone who does college football for a living should know by heart who caught the TD pass to beat Georgia.

Brando was just sloppy. I don't know what the deal is with him, he's not that old (62), should still be in the prime of his career but he's clearly on the downslope. It's not an easy job, I couldn't do it, but if you can't do it, just retire already.

 

[BBrown]

Yeah he said 1986, I yelled "82" at the TV but he didn't hear me.

It's no biggie but the high quality crews don't make mistakes like this. The good ones don't say stuff on the air if they're not sure it's true. To get the date of Penn State's first national championship, heck someone who does college football for a living should know by heart who caught the TD pass to beat Georgia.

Brando was just sloppy. I don't know what the deal is with him, he's not that old (62), should still be in the prime of his career but he's clearly on the downslope. It's not an easy job, I couldn't do it, but if you can't do it, just retire already.

This seems to be happening a lot. Its really pathetic what ESPN has done with Corso.
And I don't know if you like or saw the Steelers game but Dan Fouts, who I really used to like, said some just really odd and off the wall stuff.

 

[eilion]

I watched the Kent State game in a bar on Saturday, and I had difficulty hearing the FS1 broadcast at times. As Penn State's lead grew in the second half, the announcers started to get away from the game, as often happens. At one point, they talked about the great job Franklin was doing, and I believe the discussion turned to the sandusky scandal and how Franklin had rebuilt the program. Was the gist of the discussion that Franklin not only rebuilt the program (recruiting, winning, top-ten rankings), but that he also fixed the culture? I thought I heard comments along those lines.

Thank you.

I know I'm in the minority but I like Brando and didn't think the broadcast was as bad as folks are making it out to be. IMHO, Fox, even though they are relatively new to cfb, is better than the ESPN and BTN hack jobs we usually get. I think those have become borderline unwatchable. I think it was more Brando's point that Franklin should get credit for deftly helping to get Penn State back to where it was on a national scale post sanctions and at the same time bring back some of the old traditions. Although Tillman did not disagree, he pointed out that O'brien should get credit also and that his role as a "fixer" (my words, not his) should not be overlooked. Tillman got cut off and couldn't finish his point, but that's where I think he was going.

 

[BobPSU92]

I listened to Ham/Jones , sorry, that was Pitt. i was at the Kent St game...F'n age, losing my mind.

Bob, what were you doing in a bar, thought you didn't drink.

I don’t drink. My wife had a work meeting on Saturday, and I drove her over there and watched the game at a nearby bar. No lattes there, so I just had water.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I watched the Kent State game in a bar on Saturday, and I had difficulty hearing the FS1 broadcast at times. As Penn State's lead grew in the second half, the announcers started to get away from the game, as often happens. At one point, they talked about the great job Franklin was doing, and I believe the discussion turned to the sandusky scandal and how Franklin had rebuilt the program. Was the gist of the discussion that Franklin not only rebuilt the program (recruiting, winning, top-ten rankings), but that he also fixed the culture? I thought I heard comments along those lines.

Thank you.

Most people consider it a problem when the AD and School President take orders from the Football Coach.
I know those of you that post here have a different opinion.

 

[step.eng69]

I don’t drink. My wife had a work meeting on Saturday, and I drove her over there and watched the game at a nearby bar. No lattes there, so I just had water.

I enjoy Perrier Sparkling Mineral Water (lime) & sparkling Poland Spring (lemon/lime/orange) by themselves or as a side car to a bourbon. I'm a very nervous person…the bourbon helps.

 

[nits74]

Most people consider it a problem when the AD and School President take orders from the Football Coach.
I know those of you that post here have a different opinion.

No, I just have a problem with those who perpetuate myths and false narratives.

 

[marshall23]

I guess Beaver Stadium built itself. Perhaps we should see if that doesn't work with the renovations.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I guess Beaver Stadium built itself. Perhaps we should see if that doesn't work with the renovations.

Joe built it. Before he became the coach, PSU only had a club team that played in the pastures
where Beaver stadium now stands.

 

[Osprey Lion]

No, I just have a problem with those who perpetuate myths and false narratives.

Like the myth that "Paterno was Penn State football."? Joe is long gone and PSU football is thriving.

 

[Art]

Like the myth that "Paterno was Penn State football."? Joe is long gone and PSU football is thriving.

Oh, go fvck yourself.

 

[Custerdome]

I don't know about culture, but I do know he fixed Penn State's offensive line and that job took all 4 years to do. Some felt it would take 10. The O line had been broken and was down to nothing when he came in. Somehow, here we are in 2018, and Penn State has a top 3 Big Ten Offensive Line.

 

[psuro]

Like the myth that "Paterno was Penn State football."? Joe is long gone and PSU football is thriving.

For 46 years he was. Who did people think of when they thought of PSU football? The long snapper? The University was more than happy to put him out in front of everyone.


Now when people think of PSU football it's CJF they think of. And no kind from the University has any problem with that.

Why is that? Because despite their outward stance they realize how important football is to the perspective people have of the University.

 

[Osprey Lion]

For 46 years he was. Who did people think of when they thought of PSU football? The long snapper? The University was more than happy to put him out in front of everyone.


Now when people think of PSU football it's CJF they think of. And no kind from the University has any problem with that.

Why is that? Because despite their outward stance they realize how important football is to the perspective people have of the University.

To you and those of your ilk he was. Your worship of him made him believe it, so he stayed way beyond his time. Currently when people hear PSU they still think of Paterno but not in a good way. He built up PSU football and then almost destroyed it. There was a poster named Marsh Creek Eagle who advocated getting rid of Joe long before his demise. I was in his camp until people like you ran him off. Joe's legacy is now "Know when to quit.".

 

[Ct. Lion]

To you and those of your ilk he was. Your worship of him made him believe it, so he stayed way beyond his time. Currently when people hear PSU they still think of Paterno but not in a good way. He built up PSU football and then almost destroyed it. There was a poster named Marsh Creek Eagle who advocated getting rid of Joe long before his demise. I was in his camp until people like you ran him off. Joe's legacy is now "Know when to quit.".

Both of you are right. Joe did great things for the university but he stayed too long.

 

[EPC FAN]

Joe built it. Before he became the coach, PSU only had a club team that played in the pastures
where Beaver stadium now stands.

First game I attended was in 1968. Beaver Stadium had 47,000+ seats. Now it seats 107,000+. It took a lot of people to achieve that, but the central figure was Joe Paterno. Like it or not.

 

[LundyPSU]

To you and those of your ilk he was. Your worship of him made him believe it, so he stayed way beyond his time. Currently when people hear PSU they still think of Paterno but not in a good way. He built up PSU football and then almost destroyed it. There was a poster named Marsh Creek Eagle who advocated getting rid of Joe long before his demise. I was in his camp until people like you ran him off. Joe's legacy is now "Know when to quit.".

blast from the past....Marsh Creek Eagle...

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I don’t drink. My wife had a work meeting on Saturday, and I drove her over there and watched the game at a nearby bar. No lattes there, so I just had water.

This explains a ton of the false outrage. This thread is yet another shining example of dumb false outrage.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

To you and those of your ilk he was. Your worship of him made him believe it, so he stayed way beyond his time. Currently when people hear PSU they still think of Paterno but not in a good way. He built up PSU football and then almost destroyed it. There was a poster named Marsh Creek Eagle who advocated getting rid of Joe long before his demise. I was in his camp until people like you ran him off. Joe's legacy is now "Know when to quit.".

BS, MCE was the biggest GD Joe cheerleader around ever....until the Downingtown crew got upset their savior wasn't chosen to start. Then they all turned so damn ugly it wasn't even funny....even though Clark led the team to a BT title. These threads are GD idiotic....yes Joe stayed too long, but he was not some evil villain either. Get a grip with that crap already. It's ok for some announcers to say Franklin is doing a good job without mentioning Joe. After all Franklin is now the coach so he is probably going to be the center of the discussion moving forward. That isn't always some shot at Paterno either by those with paper thin Paterno skin. Franklin has earned his praise just as Joe earned his.

 

[LundyPSU]

BS, MCE was the biggest GD Joe cheerleader around ever....until the Downingtown crew got upset their savior wasn't chosen to start. Then they all turned so damn ugly it wasn't even funny....even though Clark led the team to a BT title. These threads are GD idiotic....yes Joe stayed too long, but he was not some evil villain either. Get a grip with that crap already. It's ok for some announcers to say Franklin is doing a good job without mentioning Joe. After all Franklin is now the coach so he is probably going to be the center of the discussion moving forward. That isn't always some shot at Paterno either by those with paper thin Paterno skin. Franklin has earned his praise just as Joe earned his.

Thank you

 

[joeparules]

BS, MCE was the biggest GD Joe cheerleader around ever....until the Downingtown crew got upset their savior wasn't chosen to start. Then they all turned so damn ugly it wasn't even funny....even though Clark led the team to a BT title. These threads are GD idiotic....yes Joe stayed too long, but he was not some evil villain either. Get a grip with that crap already. It's ok for some announcers to say Franklin is doing a good job without mentioning Joe. After all Franklin is now the coach so he is probably going to be the center of the discussion moving forward. That isn't always some shot at Paterno either by those with paper thin Paterno skin. Franklin has earned his praise just as Joe earned his.

Completely agree on MCE. I started on TOS around 2003 and MCE was the biggest JVP advocate there was until Pat Devlin de-committed from Miami to attend PSU. I was also excited to watch PD play, but many were upset when DC won the starting spot and MCE in particular went off the deep end. He was also smarter than everyone on the coaching staff and the board ... just ask him.

As for Osprey, based on my choice of user names (picked in 2003) I clearly am a fan of JVP, but I would never say I worshiped him. Even I will readily admit he hung around too long and wish he retired during the "dark ages". But to say he "almost destroyed it" is completely false. JS, the OGBOT in their mishandling, the OAG, Corbutt and the media/public outrage is what almost destroyed Penn State football. I don't think it could have played out any better with BOB as the transition guy keeping it afloat and CJF (hopefully) the long term solution to regain national prominence.