Eat donuts?Please name one law enforcement duty that Schultz could perform.
Eat donuts?Please name one law enforcement duty that Schultz could perform.
Because they are not the police or CPS.
Would that imply that the BOT has law enforcement duties? I know they eat a lot of pastries but I don't know about donuts.Eat donuts?
There is no "CPS" in Pennsylvania - that is the name of a Code. The governing "authority" (i.e., Governmental Agency) under CPS Law is DPW including their County-Level CYS Offices and "Agents" (DPW's name was changed a couple years ago to DHS by Corbutt). You are completely full of $hit that a report to TSM is not recognized as a report to DPW/CYS under CPS Law as TSM is clearly an "Agent" of DPW/CYS as defined by the Code and the child was under the Care & Custody of an "Agent" in the 2001 Incident! You are full of $hit on so many counts as per usual it isn't even funny troll-boy!
Also, couldn't JR be considered an employee/agent of CC CYS since he was a contractor for them (they subbed work out to him from time to time)??
Eat donuts?
Yes, there is no doubt. TSM had an "Agency Relationship" with DPW. In addition, the child was under the care & custody of TSM, and a TSM-registered Program (Friends Fitness), at the time of the 2001 Incident. IOW, this situation invoked the portion of the CPS Code regarding "suspected abuse by an Agent of DPW", which would have required JR to report the Incident for Investigation, put a Child Protection Plan in place while the investigation took place, etc.... -- not only was this the case, but the Mandatory Reporter who notified DPW via the Child Hotline in 1998, Alycia Chambers (a Mandatory Reporter because she was the child's therapist and told DPW this), also notified DPW that an AGENCY RELATIONSHIP existed between DPW and its Centre County CYS Office and the Charity whose PROGRAM THE CHILD WAS PARTICIPATING IN AT THE TIME OF THE 1998 INCIDENT. Alycia Chambers notifying DPW of the Agency Relationship is the reason DPW sent an investigator from Harrisburg rather than have it investigated by the DPW's Centre County CYS Office (it is also the reason that Chambers called it into the DPW Statewide Hotline that goes directly to Harrisburg rather than report it locally).
Correct! You would think that when Schultz called up Harmon and said, "Hey Tom, can you get me that 1998 report about Sandusky?" that an astute investigator and law enforcement profession who is trained to be suspicious would have asked..."Why Gary, is something wrong?"I'm not really sure of the whole structure and responsibilities of the campus police force. I am taking you at your word. That being the case, isn't a lot of this on Harmon then?
With the benefit of hindsight, I bet he wish he had asked more.Correct! You would think that when Schultz called up Harmon and said, "Hey Tom, can you get me that 1998 report about Sandusky?" that an astute investigator and law enforcement profession who is trained to be suspicious would have asked..."Why Gary, is something wrong?"
I agree with all of this. Except for the part about the admins walking. Unfortunately with all of the awful media coverage of this story, the jury pool is tainted to believe that as of 2001, Paterno and Penn State had already been covering up pedophilia for over 25 years.
Is that where you wore bare-midriff tees and posed for photos with automatic weapons grinning like an imbecile? Or did those pics come from some other employment? You really should get that gap between your front teeth fixed. Quite hideous.gmj/JockstrapJon (Jacobs) is an ass. I was the "Security Administrator" on a Gov't site. I carried a weapon, took reports, did investigations, could arrest, yet I wasn't an Officer or Policeman. this is more sadjack, PennLive horseshit.
Good lord, I'm using CPS in general terms. It's laughable for you to believe that TSM is the proper reporting authority though.There is no "CPS" Agency in Pennsylvania - that is the name of a Code. The governing "authority" (i.e., Governmental Agency) under CPS Law is DPW including their County-Level CYS Offices and "Agents" (DPW's name was changed a couple years ago to DHS by Corbutt). You are completely full of $hit that a report to TSM is not recognized as a report to DPW/CYS under CPS Law as TSM is clearly an "Agent" of DPW/CYS as defined by the Code and the child was under the Care & Custody of an "Agent" in the 2001 Incident! You are full of $hit on so many counts as per usual it isn't even funny troll-boy!
gmj/JockstrapJon (Jacobs) is an ass. I was the "Security Administrator" on a Gov't site. I carried a weapon, took reports, did investigations, could arrest, yet I wasn't an Officer or Policeman. this is more sadjack, PennLive horseshit.
Good lord, I'm using CPS in general terms. It's laughable for you to believe that TSM is the proper reporting authority though.
Stop. Just, stop.
- "He did report this to his supervisors, the Head of the Police Department." - Frank Fina on Joe Paterno
- "McQueary, Paterno and Curley did report the incident to Schultz, who, as SVP-FB, was ultimately in charge of the University Police Department." - Louis Freeh
- "As discussed above, evidence produced at the preliminary hearing established that Schultz's job responsibilities included oversight of the Penn State University Police Department and that he interacted regularly with the chief of the department [Tom Harmon] and expected to be kept apprised of sensitive issues involving the department. The Commonwealth submits that this made him a law enforcement official." - Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
You have wasted so much time chasing your tail and making us watch. The bad actors in this mess thank you for redirecting everyone's attention from their failures onto the one guy who unequivocally exceeded his reporting duty. In the name of the victims, Jive, just stop.
Why would they do that?Probably because CSS told TSM that "horseplay" happened instead of reporting what MM and Paterno told them.
Why would they do that?
If they were told about horseplay instead of what MM and Paterno testified that they told C&S, that would explain why there was no report.
If they were told about horseplay instead of what MM and Paterno testified that they told C&S, that would explain why there was no report.
Because that is what Curley and Schultz decided to change the story to.Why would they do that?
Come on now... this is why people think BWI is full of loons. Stubbing a toe? Just stop.No it wouldn't explain anything from their perspective
It does not matter one iota what was reported to them, they must follow their procedures
To put it in perspective for you ....
If you take the Exact same situation and replace alleged CSA with ANYTHING ELSE abuse related - like the child stubbed his toe ( and I'm not exaggerating here) they would have the same responsibility to take action
So the point I'm making is this - it DOES NOT matter WHAT they were told, only that they WERE told !
Come on now... this is why people think BWI is full of loons. Stubbing a toe? Just stop.
Jesus man I ain't makin this sh!t up
I'm telling how it really works
If a report of abuse is made to TSM they must act - it doesn't matter one bit what kind of abuse they have protocols that they didn't follow
Because that is what Curley and Schultz decided to change the story to.
TSM is required to report when a kid stubs a toe, huh? Why would anyone ever take you seriously when you post something ridiculous like that?Jesus man I ain't makin this sh!t up
I'm telling how it really works
If a report of abuse is made to TSM they must act - it doesn't matter one bit what kind of abuse they have protocols that they didn't follow
Why would they decide to change the story?Because that is what Curley and Schultz decided to change the story to.
I would guess that if a child were to claim or actually incur an injury of some sort, it would require an accident report.TSM is required to report when a kid stubs a toe, huh? Why would anyone ever take you seriously when you post something ridiculous like that?
Maybe you can go and ask them.Why would they decide to change the story?
Not a stubbed toe.I would guess that if a child to claim or actually incur an injury of some sort, it would require an accident report.
It would have to be one hell of a stubbed two. I'm talking edema and possible break of bone. Not your average toe stub. It's just a ridiculous example.Stubbed toe can cause an injury.
I'm asking you since you seem so sure of yourself. Why would Curley and Schultz report a watered down version of a story to Raykovitz? Especially when there are others who heard a different version of the story. Especially when you don't know who the victim is or who he told, and what he told them.Maybe you can go and ask them.
I'm asking you since you seem so sure of yourself. Why would Curley and Schultz report a watered down version of a story to Raykovitz? Especially when there are others who heard a different version of the story. Especially when you don't know who the victim is or who he told, and what he told them.
If you're going to report "horseplay" when you believe it was sodomy, why report to them at all? After all, if you decided on this coverup- aren't you ruining it by making more people aware of it?
TSM is required to report when a kid stubs a toe, huh? Why would anyone ever take you seriously when you post something ridiculous like that?
There was a difference between what Paterno and MM testified they told C&S and what C&S claim they were told. Who do you think is lying?I'm asking you since you seem so sure of yourself. Why would Curley and Schultz report a watered down version of a story to Raykovitz? Especially when there are others who heard a different version of the story. Especially when you don't know who the victim is or who he told, and what he told them.
If you're going to report "horseplay" when you believe it was sodomy, why report to them at all? After all, if you decided on this coverup- aren't you ruining it by making more people aware of it?
There was a difference between what Paterno and MM testified they told C&S and what C&S claim they were told. Who do you think is lying?
There was a difference between what Paterno and MM testified they told C&S and what C&S claim they were told. Who do you think is lying?