Jemele Hill goes after Scott Paterno on twitter, avoids his point

[colt21]

An opinion is not a false narrative. It's her opinion, and she's allowed to have it. You working in the field means nothing.

Sorry you're wrong
Her opinion IS THE FALSE NARRATIVE
And she is not entitled to an opinion that puts more children in harms way - and neither are you

The ONLY way to have a positive impact on the issue is to keep the focus SOLELY on where it belongs - and that is not on a football coach who did the right thing

 

[getmyjive11]

Sorry you're wrong
Her opinion IS THE FALSE NARRATIVE
And she is not entitled to an opinion that puts more children in harms way - and neither are you

The ONLY way to have a positive impact on the issue is to keep the focus SOLELY on where it belongs - and that is not on a football coach who did the right thing

It's not a false narrative to think that a person's actions (or lack there of) are immoral. You can piss and moan about it all you want, but you are wrong.

 

[OldTiredLion]

Hypocrisy is alive and well in East Lansing, Michigan and Bristol, Connecticut.

 

[colt21]

It's not a false narrative to think that a person's actions (or lack there of) are immoral. You can piss and moan about it all you want, but you are wrong.

Its immoral to judge another's actions as immoral when the person did exactly what they should have
You can piss and moan all you want but you'll continue to be immoral ..... And wrong
What do you have against protecting children anyway?

 

[getmyjive11]

Its immoral to judge another's actions as immoral when the person did exactly what they should have
You can piss and moan all you want but you'll continue to be immoral ..... And wrong
What do you have against protecting children anyway?

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

 

[colt21]

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

You really, really have no clue

 

[getmyjive11]

You really, really have no clue

You don't control people's opinions, that's all that matters here.

 

[colt21]

You don't control people's opinions, that's all that matters here.

You have no clue
You have no desire to be educated
You have no interest in protecting children


Your sole focus on Paterno exposes what you are about - he is the most minimal player in this whole affair and that's all you care about - sad

 

[Zenophile]

Just to be clear, the conclusion was NOT insufficient evidence to prosecute in 1998. The conclusion was that the report was "UNFOUNDED". They could have made one of three determinations: charge, unable to determine, or unfounded. They determined it was unfounded (i.e., the equivalent that it was fabricated or, if true, didn't rise to the level of being actionable). That is a critically important legal distinction. In short, it would have been absolutely impermissible for anyone to use 1998 against Sandusky for any purpose at any time in conjunction with his employment or otherwise

And for good reason (forget about it in the context of Sandusky but in the case of anyone else): a finding that a report is "UNFOUNDED" (meaning it was false, fabricated, or without any evidence of support that a criminal activity occurred) should never be used against someone; that's why the law is written. Someone falsely accused shouldn't have to live with that stigma. Had Paterno or Penn State (or the Second Mile for that matter) done ANYTHING to Sandusky because of 1998, they would have been acting outside the law.

I am forever amazed that the media is wholly unable to comprehend that fact

Thank you, sir. I'm genuinely curious to know how folks who are here merely to contaminate with this board with OAG rhetoric (like @Stufftodo) would respond.

 

[getmyjive11]

You have no clue
You have no desire to be educated
You have no interest in protecting children


Your sole focus on Paterno exposes what you are about - he is the most minimal player in this whole affair and that's all you care about - sad

My focus is on Penn State. You have no idea what opinion I have of Paterno, apparently.

 

[JoeBatters1]

Do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut - you come across as a fool. I doubt you have the first clue about morality.

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

 

[hagberg]

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[EPC FAN]

Why? We both understand that she feels he should have done more.

She feels. Yea, that's a good reason to trash a man whose shoes she couldn't shine.

 

[Stufftodo]

Just to be clear, the conclusion was NOT insufficient evidence to prosecute in 1998. The conclusion was that the report was "UNFOUNDED". They could have made one of three determinations: charge, unable to determine, or unfounded. They determined it was unfounded (i.e., the equivalent that it was fabricated or, if true, didn't rise to the level of being actionable). That is a critically important legal distinction. In short, it would have been absolutely impermissible for anyone to use 1998 against Sandusky for any purpose at any time in conjunction with his employment or otherwise

And for good reason (forget about it in the context of Sandusky but in the case of anyone else): a finding that a report is "UNFOUNDED" (meaning it was false, fabricated, or without any evidence of support that a criminal activity occurred) should never be used against someone; that's why the law is written. Someone falsely accused shouldn't have to live with that stigma. Had Paterno or Penn State (or the Second Mile for that matter) done ANYTHING to Sandusky because of 1998, they would have been acting outside the law.

I am forever amazed that the media is wholly unable to comprehend that fact

They had two victims in 1998 and didn't prosecute. Sandusky was convicted for what he did in 1998 in 2012, but with just one victim. Sandusky could have been prosecuted at the time, and there could have been a wider investigation. I am not suggesting that is Penn State's fault.

In most cases, however, a person may be discharged for non criminal acts. That is fairly common. I would suspect that most people fired are not fired for a criminal act.

Also, there is a question of if Penn State should, in light of the 1998 act, enacted a "no guests in the showers" policy. In that, Penn State does have some blame.

 

[lionfan83]

Dammit, THT.

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I re-tweeted you this morning. Great comment

 

[royboy]

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

That is PURE hindsight, and not a reaction that would have been consistent with MM's account to his dad, etc. or to Paterno.

 

[Mixolydian]

They had two victims in 1998 and didn't prosecute. Sandusky was convicted for what he did in 1998 in 2012, but with just one victim. Sandusky could have been prosecuted at the time, and there could have been a wider investigation. I am not suggesting that is Penn State's fault.

In most cases, however, a person may be discharged for non criminal acts. That is fairly common. I would suspect that most people fired are not fired for a criminal act.

Also, there is a question of if Penn State should, in light of the 1998 act, enacted a "no guests in the showers" policy. In that, Penn State does have some blame.

Yes in fact you most certainly have suggested that. You can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

And by the way, your post was completely non-responsive to the post you quoted. Typical for you. Loser.

 

[Stufftodo]

Yes in fact you most certainly have suggested that. You can't even keep track of your own bullshit.

And by the way, your post was completely non-responsive to the post you quoted. Typical for you. Loser.

No, that failure to prosecute was Gricar's decision solely. He owns that decision.

It was responsive, on several points. It looks like you just don't understand either post. Please tell me you didn't go to Penn State.

 

[Corabi94]

Dammit, THT.

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She's

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Right again.

They are both idiots. Ziggy is ****ing crazy and Scott has done nothing but **** up since this all started.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

GMJ11 is "working it"

 

[kentuckycb]

Stop being stupid. Paterno could have grabbed that coward MM by the hand at any time and led him to the police station. You know that and everyone knows it. Thsts why some feel he is immoral. You can't change that. Sorry.

Sure. And so could have the multiple other people MM told (one of whom was a doctor). Paterno was the first person to actually tell someone else of significance MM's story. In actuality Paterno did facilitate MM getting to Schultz (who was in administrative control of UP police).

People can think Paterno was immoral. Though people often have silly opinions.

 

[Mixolydian]

No, that failure to prosecute was Gricar's decision solely. He owns that decision.

It was responsive, on several points. It looks like you just don't understand either post. Please tell me you didn't go to Penn State.

I understand both posts perfectly well. It wasn't responsive to a single point the poster made. It was simply incoherent gibberish.

And you already forgot about your suggestion of a conspiracy between PSU and Gricar to keep '98 quiet? Looks like the night shift has arrived. Maybe Sloane can clear it up for you JJ.

 

[Stufftodo]

I understand both posts perfectly well. It wasn't responsive to a single point the poster made. It was simply incoherent gibberish.

And you already forgot about your suggestion of a conspiracy between PSU and Gricar to keep '98 quiet? Looks like the night shift has arrived. Maybe Sloane can clear it up for you JJ.

I've never said "conspiracy." I used "cover-up." A cover-up is different, as it is not illegal. If there was a cover-up, it was still Gricar's decision not to prosecute.

Please tell me you are not one of the alumni.

 

[Mixolydian]

I've never said "conspiracy." I used "cover-up." A cover-up is different, as it is not illegal. If there was a cover-up, it was still Gricar's decision not to prosecute.

Please tell me you are not one of the alumni.

PSU participated in a "cover up" of '98 but share no fault in Sandusky not being prosecuted in '98. Gotcha. By the way what you suggested is a conspiracy as well. You are a buffoon. That can't be covered up.

 

[getmyjive11]

That is PURE hindsight, and not a reaction that would have been consistent with MM's account to his dad, etc. or to Paterno.

Wrong. It is from Paterno's own mouth when he took the stand.

 

[getmyjive11]

Sure. And so could have the multiple other people MM told (one of whom was a doctor). Paterno was the first person to actually tell someone else of significance MM's story. In actuality Paterno did facilitate MM getting to Schultz (who was in administrative control of UP police).

People can think Paterno was immoral. Though people often have silly opinions.

Yes, they all failed.

 

[getmyjive11]

She feels. Yea, that's a good reason to trash a man whose shoes she couldn't shine.

So she isn't allowed to voice her opinion? What's next, will you freak out if someone thinks a PSU commit will end up going to another school?

 

[21.Guns]

So she isn't allowed to voice her opinion? What's next, will you freak out if someone thinks a PSU commit will end up going to another school?

She's entitled to her shitty opinion, same as other people are entitled to call her out for her shitty opinion. She put her shitty opinion out there, she deserves all the criticism she gets for her shitty opinion.

 

[Stufftodo]

PSU participated in a "cover up" of '98 but share no fault in Sandusky not being prosecuted in '98. Gotcha. By the way what you suggested is a conspiracy as well. You are a buffoon. That can't be covered up.

Good Lord are you stupid! It was not illegal to decline to prosecute someone, provided there is no quid pro quo. I have not suggested that there was one.

There would be no crime committed by anyone at Penn State if that happened in 1998. Of course, CSS are not charged with any crime committed in 1998.

 

[kentuckycb]

Yes, they all failed.

Failure is part of being human. I believe they all acted in good faith. It ends there for me.

 

[getmyjive11]

Failure is part of being human. I believe they all acted in good faith. It ends there for me.

Based on testimony, that simply is not a realistic possibility. Somebody is lying.

 

[EPC FAN]

So she isn't allowed to voice her opinion? What's next, will you freak out if someone thinks a PSU commit will end up going to another school?

Clever.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Anybody else notice that jive turkey took a few days off while covey burned up the keyboard? Nice to see the trolls implementing a schedule. Or does only one personality shine through at one time?

 

[PSUPride1]

Based on testimony, that simply is not a realistic possibility. Somebody is lying.

Finally you make a good point. Someone is MM. If Mike witnessed an assault in the shower, assuming he's not a gutless coward or a moron - he would go to the police - not his daddy or the football coach.
If Mikey needed daddy or the doc to call the police for him since he was such a helpless loser he could have taken that path. Instead he told the doc he didn't see anything sexual or that merited calling the cops three times.
The same thing happened when he told everyone else - that's why Curley reported this situation to Second Mile.
Mike was uncomfortable because he happened upon js and a kid in a shower, after working out mind you but he never saw a damn thing.
Mike was a 30 year old man at the time of this incident. If he witnessed a crime he should have called police. He didn't and I'll let Mike's actions, or lack thereof, speak for themselves.

 

[getmyjive11]

Anybody else notice that jive turkey took a few days off while covey burned up the keyboard? Nice to see the trolls implementing a schedule. Or does only one personality shine through at one time?

I mean, I joined in 2008.........

 

[getmyjive11]

Finally you make a good point. Someone is MM. If Mike witnessed an assault in the shower, assuming he's not a gutless coward or a moron - he would go to the police - not his daddy or the football coach.
If Mikey needed daddy or the doc to call the police for him since he was such a helpless loser he could have taken that path. Instead he told the doc he didn't see anything sexual or that merited calling the cops three times.
The same thing happened when he told everyone else - that's why Curley reported this situation to Second Mile.
Mike was uncomfortable because he happened upon js and a kid in a shower, after working out mind you but he never saw a damn thing.
Mike was a 30 year old man at the time of this incident. If he witnessed a crime he should have called police. He didn't and I'll let Mike's actions, or lack thereof, speak for themselves.

If MM lied then so did Paterno.

 

[mrtailgate]

GMJ11 is "working it"

Bravo! Thread complete!!

 

[Connorpozlee]

If MM lied then so did Paterno.

The problem with the grand jury testimony is that it was given ten years after the fact. In the moment, 2001, nobody handled the situation with any urgency yet nobody mentioned covering the situation up. That speaks volumes to me. It appears that there was a lot of tiptoeing around the situation, a lot of helming and hawing. But no urgency by anybody, most importantly Mike McQueary, which would indicate at worst an unsurity as to what exactly happened.

 

[colt21]

They had two victims in 1998 and didn't prosecute. Sandusky was convicted for what he did in 1998 in 2012, but with just one victim. Sandusky could have been prosecuted at the time, and there could have been a wider investigation. I am not suggesting that is Penn State's fault.

In most cases, however, a person may be discharged for non criminal acts. That is fairly common. I would suspect that most people fired are not fired for a criminal act.

Also, there is a question of if Penn State should, in light of the 1998 act, enacted a "no guests in the showers" policy. In that, Penn State does have some blame.

Last statement is not true

 

[Zenophile]

If MM lied then so did Paterno.

What's the difference between 2011 & 2001?