Sorry for starting a new thread but I saw a mention on the Berge thread (that I didn't want to get off topic) that said Jim Byers mentioned Joe is working his way back up to 165 now?
Joe Lee back to 165?
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Definitely think it was a weight issue and agreed that how he looks now or at the end of last year wouldn't beat Creighton but it sounds like he wants to give it a go.
What’s the weight issue? Too little energy to attempt dumb throws at 157? More comfortable doing it at 165?
So the guy at 165 last year is now undersized at 157 this year?
What is hurting Joe Lee is upstairs. Not in the body. When the mind isn’t winning the match or is easily knocked off it, it is hard to gain victories.
if the Wrestling God that blessed James English wants to jump back in, start with Brady and Joe.
If Joe were wrestling 165, he has to move fast. Not many more opportunities to get the required matches. With tournaments getting canceled due to COVID, I am surprised he didnt register and enter 165 at F&M just to get matches
If Joe wasnt looking at points at 157, he sure as HELL aint gonna find any at 165.
One of these days, that throw is going to work and that could get us 2.5 points at NCAAs in a wrestleback match lol.
But in reality, I think it's obvious Edsell has earned the spot. I think Joe just wants to start eating again.
He said likely 165 for Berge, but that it could change.
Interesting. I don’t think he struggled a year ago to keep his weight at 157? PSU needs more help at 157 than 165.... 157 is a serious hole. Hopefully Berge fills it.
If he is 165 this doesn't help as much as we thought.
I like Tony and is rapid development. It's pretty impressive really but we are talking points and berges best chance at points is at 157.
165 is just studly.
I like Tony and is rapid development. It's pretty impressive really but we are talking points and berges best chance at points is at 157.
165 is just studly.
Not only that, but Edsell with some serious one on one attention has something. He wrestles with a bit of meanness and he has a gas tank.
With a little improvement in details, a little luck Rdsell could muster a handful of points. Right now despite the fact I like what I see from. Tony 157 isn't scoring any points at nationals.
I think we should all be realistic. Just assume for the moment neither Edsel nor Negron generate any points at nationals. Then which weight offers the greatest opportunity for points for a guy who retired, probably gained 5-10 lbs over what he would have traditionally, and only has weeks to certify and build enough of a resume to get a decent seed at Bigs?
I am not sure 165 represents that for Berge, but I suspect the picture for both Brady and Cael is pretty clear.
I totally agree Edsell has aquited himself very well, and on the surface seems the better wrestler, but that may not translate into the optimal points get over 2 weight classes.
If Berge does have his sights set on 165, then I think we can be confident that move maximizes our points.
There is also the possibility of Negron's matside fan base getting into the head of anyone he wrestles at tournament time. Holy hell, did you hear that guy?
165 is loaded - to the point minor upsets will be the norm. I hope Berge goes 157 as I think there is a better chance of advancement and not getting bumped...
The Uncle Tony factor. I like it. Better than Ficker for sure.
Pretty loud and right behind the coach... Didn't hear any expert advice though..
Sorry, love the heart,desire, and the “English“storyline, but getting ANY points out of 165 this year is gonna be a daunting task that I dont feel CE is quite ready for.
Bad news: The weight at which Berge does NOT go, either 157 or 165, will not score points for PSU this year at NCAAs.
Good News: Barring injuries, it doesn't matter, we won't need points there.
WE ARE!!!
It was a lot of get out, get up and shoot type stuff.
I suspect you won't hear it again.
He tried to talk to Tony immediately after coming off the mat. Grabbed Tony's arm and he shrugged him off to go sit down.
It's a bit untypical of psu starters and their families.
There was a Maryland guy w a southern draw that was pretty funny.
When Cochran got hit for stalling he yelled what's he supposed to do, he's got a national champ on his back. He had others but that cracked our section up
If Berge is really going 165 I feel a lot better. I think he's really good, but 165 is nuts and he's going to have to pull some big upsets to score more than a point or two. Unless he can't make 157 anymore, this seems like a mistake.
Tell Cael to call me and I'll set him straight.
Tell Cael to call me and I'll set him straight.
C’mon @Lovethissport , isn’t that a little harsh? I don’t want to tell you what to believe, but posting that crosses a line.
As long as he's the 8 seed in Detroit, he should be good.
None of really know what weight Berge is going. I think Edsell is a solid competitor. We wins more than he loses, but has a hard time with wrestlers in the top 2O and never wins by much. I think we all appreciate is effort, skill and hard work. That being said, if Berge goes 165, I believe he will be a better option. He can can beat top 20 guys. He would have AAed last year if he wasn't injured. He also has had more experience and record of success, I am sure Brady and Cael must feel he can succeed at 165, if he is moving back to wrestle. Both guys could qualify for NCAAs .Can Berge AA? Possibly. Can Edsell AA, probably a long shot. Lastly, if he goes 157. then ignore all of this and I think he is definitely an AA possibility, assuming he isn't cutting too much weight. Welcome back and go catch your dreams, Brady!!
I know most want to just put Brady at 157 as it represents the better weight to AA but maybe it's possible Cael really believes Tony has a higher ceiling than Creighton if both were able to qualify for NCAAs? I know Creighton has some wins over NQs but he is a decision wrestler. His first matchup would be a guy seeded single digits then even if he makes R16 (which is impressive) that's only 1 point with 2 decision wins.
Tony has shown an ability to lock up a cradle with his wingspan (thought he had a chance to pack Holschlag) and he seems to have that ankle pick learned pretty well. He was in striking distance of both Teemer and Humphreys in his first 2 months of D1 wrestling. If anything, he might have the most room to grow the next 2 months since he's new to D1 wrestling.
All that combined with the fact Brady might simply just be more comfortable making 165 and it might make more sense than you think. Alas, we shall see.
Tony has shown an ability to lock up a cradle with his wingspan (thought he had a chance to pack Holschlag) and he seems to have that ankle pick learned pretty well. He was in striking distance of both Teemer and Humphreys in his first 2 months of D1 wrestling. If anything, he might have the most room to grow the next 2 months since he's new to D1 wrestling.
All that combined with the fact Brady might simply just be more comfortable making 165 and it might make more sense than you think. Alas, we shall see.
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Tony is not qualifying for Nationals the way thongs are at the moment and time is running out. 9.scoring wrestlers at the current rate lol with a hole at 157 and Berge at 165.
I’m not ready to say Tony can’t grab a qualifying spot at Big Tens. Kid has a heck of a gas tank, a slick ankle pick and can ride. He cleans up a couple of things between now and March and we will see. That said, I don’t see him beating Berge if Berge goes 157.
That doesnt look like Lake Erie, where the hell are you NOW?Before we all lose our man cards...
I don't think bergy or Cael had points in mind when they discussed this I really don't. This was an opportunity that Bergy wanted and I believe Cael thinks he earned it like mentioned above we might Not need the points at these weights
