The courageous individuals who took the stand in the JS trial are victims. It is important to use "alleged" victim in these other instances.
John Doe took the Ira Lubert approved settlement but is "too fragile" to testify
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The courageous individuals who took the stand in the JS trial are victims. It is important to use "alleged" victim in these other instances.
1. Joe was dead when he testified.
2. Joe was dead when he testified.
3. It wasn't Lubert's money. If it were his money no one would have been paid yet.
Maybe they can send him to repressed memory therapy and this time he will tell the truth. My God, this whole thing has become such a crock of shit.
Coming from a guy who would represent an actual terrorist as long as the check cleared...
How does anyone even know who this guy is? There are basically zero identifying details, other than the fact that he went to a football camp
I don't think anybody on this board has suggested that all victims are lying. A lot of us are suspicious of the credibility of some of the victims. Very few of these alleged victims testified in court and you have no basis for suggesting that PSU had a thorough vetting process.
You suggest that PSU payments prove that the victims were all honest. I bet that PSU's payments were made w/o admitting wrongdoing and even Barron sent out a letter proclaiming that recent allegations are unproven.
BTW, Joe gave a statement under oath and he wasn't charged with perjury. Does that prove he told the truth?
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THIS. Boni in a yet another YCMTSU moment
I put this news in the Paterno V NCAA thread much earlier today but I see it has now grown its own thread. Not wanting to go too off kilter there, I took some subtle jabs on Twitter about this being BONI. Where did he come up with the number "150"?
Here's the Boni quote from May. I don't think Adlee would mind if his tweet is included here:
Let me try that again since the quote didn't paste:
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Given the history of the testimony at Jerry's trial and how many of the commonly accepted 'facts' have been proven to be lies, I do not believe anything that was said by ANY alleged victims. That dog won't hunt anymore. I want all the facts to come out
Which of the victims do you believe is not lying?
As for JVP, I believe him when he testified he was told of something of a sexual nature.
As for JVP, I believe him when he testified he was told of something of a sexual nature.
Judge Leete should not accept the terms proposed from John Doe 150 and John Doe 71 that tries to cover up the absurd stories that they have concocted. I hope that legal counsel for the Paternos, Penn State (at least the elected BOT), Spanier, Curley, Schultz, JS and/or anybody else with legal standing can make compelling arguments why the details of these BS allegations must be subjected to scrutiny. Too many people have been harmed in this saga and it is long past time when this madness must stop. I long for the day when shyster lawyers like Andrew Shubin and Michael Boni as well as the charlatans that they represent have to answer for the fraud they have perpetuated.
Note that Scolforo completely eliminates BONI from the discussion. Boni is the one who entered this document in the court. I can "reasonably conclude" from this article that Scolforo did not want to reconcile the BONI quote he took in May and therefore avoided making his "quote call" to the attorney for JD150 that entered this document today:
Using your logic:
3. Merck paid millions in settlements regarding Vioxx, therefore they must have admitted to killing thousands of people and injuring thousands more. Why isn't Ken behind bars?
Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but...
So it is basically OK for this "victim" to make any damaging claim he wants unchallenged by the Paterno estate? Equally it is valid that he is able to anonymously call the entire Penn State community terrorists? Is this America? Is this really our justice system?
Silly question: this John Doe 150 -
Wouldn't the proper areas to contact (even in the 70's) to report a crime committed on an attendee at an organized public event on a college campus by a college employee that is also a part of the organized event staff:
A: campus police
B: the event director or organizer that you submitted your paid application to
C: university Human Resources
D: all of the above
E: your own hometown law enforcement to escalate
Paterno was none of those things. Remove "football" from the equation- it makes little sense and asks more questions and demands more fact-finding.
I dunno. I just don't get it and being distracted by the #ShinyObject of football serves no purpose.
Wouldn't the proper areas to contact (even in the 70's) to report a crime committed on an attendee at an organized public event on a college campus by a college employee that is also a part of the organized event staff:
A: campus police
B: the event director or organizer that you submitted your paid application to
C: university Human Resources
D: all of the above
E: your own hometown law enforcement to escalate
Paterno was none of those things. Remove "football" from the equation- it makes little sense and asks more questions and demands more fact-finding.
I dunno. I just don't get it and being distracted by the #ShinyObject of football serves no purpose.
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I would start by asking why none came forward sooner to stop Jerry. Few even came forward to testify against him in court. But more and more came forward when PSU started handing out money. It reminds me of Prince who recently died without a will. All of a sudden he has 700+ relatives staking a claim to his estate.
I think quite a few of them embellished their stories in order to obtain a payment from PSU. I recall one victim alleging that Dottie ignored his screams for help while JS was raping him in the basement. That's difficult for me to believe. I recall one of Sandusky's foster children saying that she didn't witness a lot of the stuff Matt says was going on. I am certainly suspicious of the recent accuser from back in 1971.
The bigger issue for many PSU fans is Joe's culpability. The media would have you believe that Joe kept things quiet for 40+ years. Wouldn't it be amazing if Joe was able to keep dozens of victims, their families, many assistant coaches, and multiple ADs in the dark for so long? And all to protect a guy he didn't like very much?
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I just wanted to make a point that this alleged victim is known as "John Doe 150" and the second order of protection was for "John Doe 71" - That implies there are potentially an additional 149 people who have stepped forward regarding abuse by Sandusky.
Note - I didn't say all 149 were credible.
Several studies show that left unchecked, a single child molester may commit hundreds of sexual acts on hundreds of children over the course of their lifetime.
Note - I didn't say all 149 were credible.
Several studies show that left unchecked, a single child molester may commit hundreds of sexual acts on hundreds of children over the course of their lifetime.
It is quite likely Sandusky abused many kids over decades. It is quite likely several of the "victims" are blatantly lying for a PSU payday. It is also quite likely that Louis Freeh opened Penn State's wallet to countless frivolous claims because Freeh likes to...umm...embellish.
It's easy for me to believe that a molester can inappropriately touch hundreds of children over a lifetime. It's more difficult for me to believe that a molester can get away with raping hundreds of children. That's what makes these statistics difficult to interpret.
The law says it is illegal for an adult to touch any portion of a child's body with a "lewd and lascivious" intent. Intent is pretty clear when there is an actual sex act or if genitals are being fondled. It's much less clear when the activity is limited to touching, rubbing, hugging, wrestling, etc.
Child sexual abuse can be contact or non-contact abuse. Showing a child pornographic materials, exposing oneself to a child, taking pornographic pictures of a child, are all forms of child sexual abuse.
From Childwelfare.gov - Definition - Child Abuse: Sexual https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/whatiscan.pdf#page=3&view=What Are the Major Types of Child Abuse and Neglect?
Sexual abuse includes activities by a parent or caregiver such as fondling a child’s genitals, penetration, incest, rape, sodomy, indecent exposure, and exploitation through prostitution or the production of pornographic materials.
Sexual abuse is defined by CAPTA as "the employment, use, persuasion, inducement, enticement, or coercion of any child to engage in, or assist any other person to engage in, any sexually explicit conduct or simulation of such conduct for the purpose of producing a visual depiction of such conduct; or the rape, and in cases of caretaker or inter-familial relationships, statutory rape, molestation, prostitution, or other form of sexual exploitation of children, or incest with children."
Roxine won't be happy until the entire state claims they were abused by JS.
JVP's testimony is, for me, is the most non believable aspect of this entire situation.
LOL, do you embarrass yourself that much you need to get new handles or do you get banned? JS knows that sound all too well!!!!!
Previous to these '70's claims I think 2 or 3 are a bit on the "shady" side.
Obviously I think these last few are lying through their teeth.
Anyone who disagrees with your preconceived narrative is obviously a liar. Anyone who suggests the JVP knew something (notice I didn't say covered up) is a liar. Any victim that says they were molested either when JS was a coach or was molested on PSU property is a liar. Anyone that accepted a settlement is either a complete liar or partially lied in order to increase their payment. So many liars. Its truly amazing.
No it does not really imply that. You have no idea how or why those numbers exist. They could be numbers a court system assigns to ALL cases filed in their jurisdiction under the name John or Jane Doe in a given timeframe no matter what type of case they are. Say in Philadelphia for instance...
Respectfully, Nellie - neither do you.
I said potentially. And, having done a lot of research regarding child sexual abuse cases, typically the numbering is sequential...pertaining to one abuser. But that's based on my research.
Are there any accusations that you find especially credible or incredible? Do you find repressed memory therapy as a reliable means to get an accusation when there haven't been any memories of abuse before hand?
Once again I am being kind because that is how the DOE numbering system works. Perhaps you would prefer I name-call and use attack language instead of being more humane?
Notice I said nothing at all about the reality that there could be up to 100 or more victims. However, in the Sandusky case, civil cases have been filed in more than one jurisdiction, and some of the complainants are even called John Doe A B C and D. Check the Orphan's court documents in the Second Mile Dissolution case.
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