Wait until the athletic department wants to charge $80- $100 per ticket for the Idaho Vandals.
Just announced...Idaho to be a first game in 2019*
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It is insulting to people who pay the STEP extortion, then pay for ever increasing game tickets. It is a betrayal of the kids who come to Penn State to play against the best competition possible, while trying to win a Big Ten and National Championship.
True. I don't expect them to play Alabama and USC every week, but they could certainly do better than Idaho.
So, in all of 2017 (Georgia State), 2018 (Appalachian State), and 2019 (Idaho), we are scheduled to host a Sun Belt Conference team.
Yes ----- a school in Moscow, Idaho is currently in the Sun Belt Conference.
Anyway, if this trend continues, look for somebody like Troy or New Mexico State or Louisiana-Monroe in 2020.
How exciting!!!
Yes ----- a school in Moscow, Idaho is currently in the Sun Belt Conference.
Anyway, if this trend continues, look for somebody like Troy or New Mexico State or Louisiana-Monroe in 2020.
How exciting!!!
Indiana State was all booked up.
Rather than take the time to look for a "suitable" replacement.....Sandy was busy having her powder room renovated.
"Don't blame me! I already hired three Assistant Associate ADs to handle the scheduling!"
"Whattaya want out of me? There is only SO MUCH I can do!"
Well, I'm ALMOST surprised negotiations resulted in the game being played in Happy Valley instead of Moscow......!
True. Idaho tries to get a game or 2 like that each year I'm sure for the payday.
.That said, USC also has Notre Dame non conference and Auburn has Louisville. Now, Louisville isn't the big name of ND, LSU etc but I think Auburn is smart in that they scheduled a team everyone has heard of (even if not that great) so that when they smoke them next week the hype will start on how Auburn just crushed Louisville and they will get a ton more credit than if they beat an Idaho, Eastern Michigan, Temple, etc.
IMO PSU should follow a similar path- schedule a team that is nationally recognized but not that great (Washington, Colorado, North Carolina, Oregon State, etc) and there's the likely win plus some PR or greater respect as opposed to 3 MAC type teams in out of conference games. When back to 'normal' ideally I'd love to see PSU play a Colorado/ UNC type game with an LSU and the usual first game MAC level team.
Are we ever gonna get a pay-back visit from UVA for the game we played in Charlottesville in 2013?
I agree with this. However, for AU-Ville, this is a "Kickoff Classic" type deal. And AU only has 6 home games to boot. Personally, I would've preferred some out of the box thinking from our AD and gone with that other team form Idaho and gone for a 2-for-1 with Boise and put the road game of the contract into a year with 5 B1G home games. Unfortunately, since money is all that matters, I'm sure Intercollegiate Athletics will just go for an 8th home game vs. another tomato can.
True. Idaho tries to get a game or 2 like that each year I'm sure for the payday.
That said, USC also has Notre Dame non conference and Auburn has Louisville. Now, Louisville isn't the big name of ND, LSU etc but I think Auburn is smart in that they scheduled a team everyone has heard of (even if not that great) so that when they smoke them next week the hype will start on how Auburn just crushed Louisville and they will get a ton more credit than if they beat an Idaho, Eastern Michigan, Temple, etc.
IMO PSU should follow a similar path- schedule a team that is nationally recognized but not that great (Washington, Colorado, North Carolina, Oregon State, etc) and there's the likely win plus some PR or greater respect as opposed to 3 MAC type teams in out of conference games. When back to 'normal' ideally I'd love to see PSU play a Colorado/ UNC type game with an LSU and the usual first game MAC level team.
True. Idaho tries to get a game or 2 like that each year I'm sure for the payday.
That said, USC also has Notre Dame non conference and Auburn has Louisville. Now, Louisville isn't the big name of ND, LSU etc but I think Auburn is smart in that they scheduled a team everyone has heard of (even if not that great) so that when they smoke them next week the hype will start on how Auburn just crushed Louisville and they will get a ton more credit than if they beat an Idaho, Eastern Michigan, Temple, etc.
IMO PSU should follow a similar path- schedule a team that is nationally recognized but not that great (Washington, Colorado, North Carolina, Oregon State, etc) and there's the likely win plus some PR or greater respect as opposed to 3 MAC type teams in out of conference games. When back to 'normal' ideally I'd love to see PSU play a Colorado/ UNC type game with an LSU and the usual first game MAC level team.
Beginning in 2016 (next year), our current 4 non-conference slots will be occupied by at least two P-5 teams. For the next 4 years from 2016 through 2019, those two P-5 teams will be Pitt (ACC non-Conference) and Iowa (Parity based cross divisional Conference opponent).
In other words, Auburn (and most SEC teams) will only be playing 9 P-5 Games to our 10 throughout those 4 years.
And Auburn will still will have a tougher schedule than PSU. Let's look at the 'big games' this year as I couldn't find Auburn's 2016 SEC schedule yet. Penn State plays Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan St. Auburn plays Texas AM, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Mississippi State ( +/- Louisville).
Assuming your correct that PSU gets Iowa when going to 9 conference games next year- it doesn't matter. Auburn opens next year with Clemson (Penn State opens up with Kent State). Clemson trumps Iowa. The fact the big ten just isn't very good hurts PSU, OSU and MSU.
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I'm talking 2016 and beyond when we go to a 9 game Conference schedule.
2016:
Auburn has: Clemson (ACC P-5), Louisiana Monroe (Sunbelt), Arkansas State (Sunbelt), and Alabama A&M (FCS).
Penn State has: Iowa (B1G P-5), Pitt (ACC P-5), Temple (AAC), and Kent State (MAC).
The AAC is considered a far superior Conference to the Sunbelt. And the MAC is considered at least equal. Of course the MAC far outweighs an FCS team. We play 2 P-5s to their 1 P-5.
Auburn has no P-5 teams scheduled yet for 2018, and play at least 1 FCS team through 2018. We play none. Auburn's schedule after that has at least 3 unscheduled non-Conference openings every year except 2021 when they have Georgia State and California on their schedule.
Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana match up pretty good with Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Mississippi State. Rutgers beat Arkansas the last 2 times they played and Northwestern hammered Mississippi State 2 years ago. Indiana beat the SEC East Champ in the SEC East Champ's home crib last year.
If you think we play in an easy Division, I have some nice green land on the moon to sell you.
Well, in the last 5 years, the following national powers have also scheduled mighty Idaho: LSU, Florida State,Florida , Mississippi, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and one of our big rivals, Temple.
From what I understand, Temple played them on the road. As good as the Owls are, I would have thought they could have scheduled a 4 game series and gotten 3-1 at home.
I'm talking 2016 and beyond when we go to a 9 game Conference schedule.
2016:
Auburn has: Clemson (ACC P-5), Louisiana Monroe (Sunbelt), Arkansas State (Sunbelt), and Alabama A&M (FCS).
Penn State has: Iowa (B1G P-5), Pitt (ACC P-5), Temple (AAC), and Kent State (MAC).
The AAC is considered a far superior Conference to the Sunbelt. And the MAC is considered at least equal. Of course the MAC far outweighs an FCS team. We play 2 P-5s to their 1 P-5.
Auburn has no P-5 teams scheduled yet for 2018, and play at least 1 FCS team through 2018. We play none. Auburn's schedule after that has at least 3 unscheduled non-Conference openings every year except 2021 when they have Georgia State and California on their schedule.
Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana match up pretty good with Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Mississippi State. Rutgers beat Arkansas the last 2 times they played and Northwestern hammered Mississippi State 2 years ago. Indiana beat the SEC East Champ in the SEC East Champ's home crib last year.
If you think we play in an easy Division, I have some nice green land on the moon to sell you.
Well, since the schedule's aren't complete (that I could find for Auburn) we are forced to look at this full year.
It doesn't matter about PSUs division compared to the west big ten division. Those are the 3 games already mentioned as big games - OSU, MSU and even Michigan (although they've been bad recently. For God's sake they lost to Rutgers last year.)
Mississippi and Mississippi St were fighting for #1 last year. Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana (seriously- Indiana????) have never fought for #1 as far as I recall-.....much less last year. They do not match up at all IMO.
Take a look at the AP preseason rankings on where people think the better schedule is. (Hint- not the big ten)-
Auburn schedule.......... PSU schedule
Alabama- #3.................. Ohio St- #1
Georgia- #9.................... Michigan St- #5
LSU- #14........................ Michigan- #41
Mississippi- #17
Arkansas- #18
Mississippi St- #26
Texas AM- #27
Louisville- #32
Adding Iowa and Pitt doesn't cut it- especially when Auburn adds Clemson.
The problem is that about half of the big ten are (rightly) seen as perennial/ perpetual doormats - Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Rutgers. It doesn't matter that team X plays 1 more P5 team when the difference in talent of those P5 teams is heavily in favor of team Y. This is the big ten bean counting mentality that ignores the reality on the field.
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Rutgers is not a perennial doormat! They are a perpetual doormat.
Rutgers is not a perennial doormat! They are a perpetual doormat.
I stand corrected. Original post edited.
Buff, I get what you are saying about how PSU will have 10 P-5 foes in the future vs. 9 for AU, and how that translates well for PSU and B1G. However, I also see 00's position about SOS. And while I like your post and position on the issue, I have to take exception to "OSU, MSU, UM, Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana match up pretty good with Bama, LSU, A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss and Miss, St." In essence, B1G East = SEC West. As much as I'd like for that to be true, it's not. Indiana, Rutgers and Md. have not been ranked to my knowledge in the past couple of years, while EVERY SEC West team has been top 5 at one point EXCEPT Arkansas. Actually, I think 3 or maybe 4 have been No. 1 at one point or another in the last 2-3 years. Of course, your point is helped by Indiana beating Missouri, the SEC East champ. But still, I think the SEC West > B1G East for now. If I had to pick, I'd say OSU is 6-1 vs. SEC West, MSU is 5-2, PSU is 5-2/4-3, UM is 3-4/2-5, IU is 2-5/1-6, Md. is 2-5 and RU is 1-6/0-7 vs. that group.
I'm talking 2016 and beyond when we go to a 9 game Conference schedule.
2016:
Auburn has: Clemson (ACC P-5), Louisiana Monroe (Sunbelt), Arkansas State (Sunbelt), and Alabama A&M (FCS).
Penn State has: Iowa (B1G P-5), Pitt (ACC P-5), Temple (AAC), and Kent State (MAC).
The AAC is considered a far superior Conference to the Sunbelt. And the MAC is considered at least equal. Of course the MAC far outweighs an FCS team. We play 2 P-5s to their 1 P-5.
Auburn has no P-5 teams scheduled yet for 2018, and play at least 1 FCS team through 2018. We play none. Auburn's schedule after that has at least 3 unscheduled non-Conference openings every year except 2021 when they have Georgia State and California on their schedule.
Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland, and Indiana match up pretty good with Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Mississippi State. Rutgers beat Arkansas the last 2 times they played and Northwestern hammered Mississippi State 2 years ago. Indiana beat the SEC East Champ in the SEC East Champ's home crib last year.
If you think we play in an easy Division, I have some nice green land on the moon to sell you.
Attending games = supporting our student-athletes. Not to mention social and entertainment aspect of it even when the opponent for the game is not highly ranked.
You remove all doubt that our scheduling is atrocious when you start using Iowa, Pitt, Temple and Kent State to somehow make an argument that our schedule is more difficult than someone else's. Not a single one of those teams registers as a blip on the national radar in terms of an exciting game. Not one, including Pitt. And I dismiss the Iowa argument because this is about OOC scheduling. Ours is a joke. It isn't until 2020 that we play a meaningful OOC game that is relevant on a national scale. The average college football fan does not care about Pitt vs. PSU unless both somehow manage to become top teams again, and we know Pitt hasn't been there regularly for a long, long time. I'm a PSU alumnus, I'm from the state of PA, and I don't give a damn about playing Pitt anymore. To me they are just occupying a spot that would be better served by a better opponent.
I want to see one game against a premier OOC opponent per season. By premier I mean a nationally recognized brand, a team that would generate excitement and build up for fans and alumni of both schools, as well as fans of other programs that don't even follow PSU. Teams like Oregon, Texas, USC, Alabama, LSU, ND, Stanford, Oklahoma, Auburn, Florida, FSU, etc. Do that, and I don't care if the other 2 games are against creampuffs.
Other big time programs do this year in and year out, yet we seem to make excuses for not doing it. It's an embarrassment, plain and simple. I'm no fan of ND or Texas, but I want to watch that game on Saturday. I don't like Alabama or Wisconsin, but that game is must see TV. Do you think fans of any school feel the same about any OOC games on our schedule for the next half a decade? The answer is a resounding no.
The school in question looking out from 2016 was Auburn (or pretty much any SEC team). We have Iowa as Number 9 in 2016 and beyond per our new Parity Based Scheduling, they have Clemson. I will grant you that THIS year, Clemson is better than Iowa, but neither of us play those two teams THIS year. Both Iowa and Clemson are perennial P-5 Bowl contenders, and whereas we play Iowa for at least the next 4 years beginning in 2016, Auburn is only scheduled to play Clemson in 2016 and 2017.
So what this comes down to is that if we played Clemson instead of Iowa, you would rather play Arkansas State (Sunbelt), Louisiana Monroe (Sunbelt), and Alabama A&M (FCS) instead of Pitt (ACC P-5), Temple (AAC), and Kent State (MAC).
Sorry man. But the Bowl committee would laugh in your face.
Most recent Bowls - SEC West:
Alabama - Lost to B1G Champ (Ohio State)
Auburn - Lost to B1G Western Division Champ (Wisconsin)
LSU - Lost to Notre Dame
Mississippi State - Lost to Georgia Tech. Got hammered by Northwestern 2 years ago.
Mississippi - Got absolutely massacred by TCU.
Arkansas - Beat Texas
Texas A&M - Beat West Virginia
Most recent Bowls - B1G East
Ohio State - Beat SEC Champ (Alabama), Beat Pac 12 Champ (Oregon) - National Champion
Michigan State - Beat Big 12 Champ (Baylor)
Penn State - Beat Boston College
Rutgers - Massacred North Carolina. Beat Arkansas the last 2 times they played.
Maryland - Lost to Stanford
Michigan - No Bowl, but just hired Harbaugh for whatever that's worth. Winningest Program in History.
Indiana - No Bowl, but beat SEC East Champ in SEC Champ's Home crib.
Pretty close I would say considering the SEC gets all the ESPN and XM hype. Add to that the oversigning condoned in the past and the lower quality academic requirements in most cases (WSJ just had an article on Auburn's questionable classes pushed by the athletic Department), and the B1G East stacks up pretty good.
PS. Don't sleep on Rutgers and Maryland. Both are now recruiting better athletes. I saw Rutgers in the Spring. They physically overwhelmed North Carolina in the bowl, and looked very physical in the spring. A lot more physical than we looked. Both those schools are going to get real good real fast now that they are in the Big Ten. Guys are starting to stay home.
As far as B1G recruiting overall is concerned, getting Rutgers and Maryland was a coup not only for football, but basketball and the Olympic sports.
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You mean at Vandy? Who's done better down there? And up here, he felt the effects of the sanctions more than BOB did. JF started with NO OL.
BOB had a half decent OL to work with that he inherited from Joe. Franklin had nothing. We had the worst and thinnest OL we have had since the Paterno era began. Give James a couple of years. He's starting to get some real studs. I have a hunch in 2 or 3 years, we will be one of those "big boys" you are talking about.
All he's ever done? Man, he's only been a head coach 4 years. No one knows how well Franklin will do over the next 5 years. Once he gets a nationally known team under full strength he will be expected to win accordingly, but your statement is absurd and speaks either of an agenda, or a lack of knowledge. Either way, I will not waste time on any future posts you may make.
Unrealistic expectations! Program barely survived after the draconian sanctions! This whole discussion is inappropriate right now. This team needs some success in B1G before this discussion.
If you are a Penn State fan, you should know that your comments are inappropriate. It appears that you are not a fan, so go away. Penn State football is none of your business.
Sorry, I was confining my analysis to actual on the field results, and not just bowl games -- which are one-off deals where anything can happen (and usually does). I don't think it's been fair to castigate and pile on the B1G for its prior poor bowl showings, I won't do the same to the SEC.
While I value Penn State's academics probably a lot more than the actual fan, we're talking about SOS here, not APR. And SEC West is still > than B1G East, especially the bottom. And I agree that AU is a football factory that does a huge disservice to its athletes.
But back to your point about bowl games. Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss and Miss. St. played and lost to top 13 teams. So four of that division played in top tier games and drew top tier opposition. Only 2 B1G East teams did. Two didn't even go bowling, and the other three played unranked teams. The other three SEC West teams played unranked teams, winning two games.
We'll have to see how 2016 shakes out. But we'll just agree to disagree on the strength of the divisions. I DO hope it gets better, and I think a stronger PSU and UM will help, and I hope that B1G membership builds up Md. and RU (just not too much). Nothing will ever help IU, and I can't foresee them ever contending for a B1G title, unlike the weakest team in the SEC West. I also think RU and Md. take a step back this year, so that factors into my thinking as well.
While I value Penn State's academics probably a lot more than the actual fan, we're talking about SOS here, not APR. And SEC West is still > than B1G East, especially the bottom. And I agree that AU is a football factory that does a huge disservice to its athletes.
But back to your point about bowl games. Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss and Miss. St. played and lost to top 13 teams. So four of that division played in top tier games and drew top tier opposition. Only 2 B1G East teams did. Two didn't even go bowling, and the other three played unranked teams. The other three SEC West teams played unranked teams, winning two games.
We'll have to see how 2016 shakes out. But we'll just agree to disagree on the strength of the divisions. I DO hope it gets better, and I think a stronger PSU and UM will help, and I hope that B1G membership builds up Md. and RU (just not too much). Nothing will ever help IU, and I can't foresee them ever contending for a B1G title, unlike the weakest team in the SEC West. I also think RU and Md. take a step back this year, so that factors into my thinking as well.
