There is no point in debating the issue. I completely disagree. I will leave it at that.
Just tuned in to the Pirates/Cubs game
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There is no point in debating the issue. I completely disagree. I will leave it at that.
Didn’t change his path? They even give you a white chalk line to follow along with his feet and you still can’t figure it out. Dolt.
Another angle.
If you think this was not a cheap shot, please read the 5th line of the eye chart below.
If you think this was not a cheap shot, please read the 5th line of the eye chart below.
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That's not changing his path...at all. See the steps--straight line to the plate. Are you confused how a runner ever reaches first? Or do you think they change their path too?
His feet are three feet out in front of the plate after running straight down the baseline dipshit. He was CLEARLY trying to initiate contact with Diaz. Try initiating contact with reality dummy.
Contact is fine...read the rule again. Who said he wasn't trying to initiate contact? Again, it was a smart, clean, hard baseball play Couldn't have worked out better for him
There was nothing clean about it. It was bush league, and it needs reviewed by MLB, and then a fine and a suspension need done. And there is not anything "whining" or "crying" about that observation. I heard half a dozen commentators on the MLB network and on Fox sports, say the same thing, and none of them have a "horse in this race" either. It's a simple, distant, objective, observation. Dirty play.
YOU read the rule again.
6.01(j)
Sliding to Bases on Double Play Attempts
If a runner does not engage in a bona fide slide, and initiates (or attempts to make) contact with the fielder for the purpose of breaking up a double play, he should be called for interference under this Rule 6.01. A “bona fide slide” for purposes of Rule 6.01 occurs when the runner:
(1) begins his slide (i.e., makes contact with the ground) before reaching the base;
(2) is able and attempts to reach the base with his hand or foot;
(3) is able and attempts to remain on the base (except home plate) after completion of the slide; and
(4) slides within reach of the base without changing his pathway for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.
There you go dude. He can't change his pathway to initiate contact. Just because you keep saying contact is fine doesn't make it so. If he didn't change his pathway his backside would have slid directly over home plate.
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People can argue whether the play was legal or not, but the vast majority of comments I have read, or heard, nationally say, or suggest, it was a cheap shot. Some day Rizzo is going to a end a career with his bush league play. Of course, he can always tell his son it was legal.
I think it’s possible for it to have been a legal play while also being a cheap play. He clearly went out of his way to initiate contact with Diaz. Legal or not, you put an end to that yourselves by drilling the next batter. And him in his next at bat, whether the manager calls for it or not.
You can explain it to him, but you can’t understand it for him. He’s a bona fide dope.
It has to be intentional trolling, nobody is this stupid.
I feel sorry for you SWEET.
You still see things as you want to; not as they are!
LIVERPOOL!
Dirty play on Salah as well.
This pic says it all. Anyone who thinks this was simply a clean slide into the plate with no attempt to take out the catcher should ask themselves the following:
Given only the picture above, let’s assume that instead of throwing the ball, Diaz was getting ready to recieve the ball for a tag out at the plate. Would the base runner be sliding his legs out on the side closest to the catcher, or would he be sliding on the other side of the plate to avoid the catcher’s tag? That’s what I thought.
It a straight line just like at Big 10 Witvoet- Michigan 1st down walk was, three yards forward. It was as clean as the Big 10 replay apparatus during the 2014 OSU/PSU game in Beaver Stadium when the replay feed was "down" for the only review in history as they ignored the scoreboard replays but that was topped by a field goal kicked five seconds after the 30 second clock hit 0:00. Yes, the replay booth ALWAYS gets it right.
And of course not to mention the TD at the Nebraska goal line that our Big 10(14) friends turned into a fumble, touchback Nebraska.
I think Rizzo did initiate contact and it will prpiba le result in a fine. Surprised the Pirates didn't retaliate though. I am a Cubs fan and have never heard about them being hated and I think that is sour grapes if true.
Most Pirates fans are not surprised. They allow themselves to be bullied constantly. They need more hard asses like A.J. Burnett, Freese and Sean Rodriguez in that clubhouse. With respect to the Cubs being hated, I don't think it is so much directed at the individual players (some nice guys on that team), but Maddon is not liked around baseball circles, and yesterday is just one of several reasons why. Thanks for sensibly weighing in and enjoy the rest of the season.
It all comes back to Hurdle. Yes, some players handle it. Bob Walk himself would have nailed the next batter in the ribs or higher, guaranteed.
But this all comes back to Hurdle. The manager orders it. This manager, however, is a micro managing, bunt happy, numbnuts who never orders jack shit, after his team gets cheaped shot like this. I really, really dislike Hurdle. Worst manager in baseball, bar none.
My dislike for the Cubs was rooted in (1) a particular individual I couldn't stand who was a diehard fan, and (2) the arrogance they'd display as visiting fans, and this was going back to when they were still bad 5-8 years ago. It was like, wait a minute, you aren't good now, and you haven't won in 100 years, what exactly are you being so loud and abrasive about?
Anyone who is upset by this is letting emotion get in the way. The picture does not lie, it is a legal slide. That said, you're welcome to think it's dirty. That's a different issue. Is it legal and possibly dirty for a football player to take out the kicker on KO? Maybe.
I personally do not think it was a dirty play but the game has changed a lot in the last 20 years and IMHO this is why it may be perceived as dirty. To illustrate the point, today a guy hits a HR and does the bat flip and it is accepted as a fine thing. If a guy did that against Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale it was accepted there would be retaliation. I guess this also illustrate why the Pirates did not retaliate - that seems no longer to be a part of the game. Pitchers do not even pitch inside today let alone retaliate.
You and the dope you’re responding to clearly don’t understand the new rule. Stick to things you know something about. And by the way you have to watch the video to see him CLEARLY change his path to initiate contact with the catcher (which is a violation of the rule).
I grew up with the Cubs and they absolutely sucked for most of my life but I hung in there with them. It was to the point that the bar was so low you expected very little so when they won it was an event. Never would be a jerk at another teams stadium, it would be like a Browns fan at Heinz going crazy. There does seem to be a lot of bandwagon fans now that they won - sort of like the Red Sox have. Those people probable only know Ernie Banks and a few others but not many of the older guy's but I guess that is what comes with winning.
The facts don't lie either:
- The runner was clearly out by force-out at least 10 feet before he arrived at the plate.
- The catcher already removed his foot from the plate.
- The catcher already moved three feet away from the plate beyond the direct line the runner was following from third base to home plat.
- The catcher posed no threat at all to the runner attempting to score, as he has been already forced out at home plate.
Rather then have a pitcher plunk the hitter, I think that the shortstop or second baseman ought to throw a double play ball directly in to the head of Lopez the next time he is coming toward second base on a double play. It is a guarantee he'll get the message when he's sitting out two weeks for a concussion.
What "new" rule are you citing? The one from 2015 or something more recent? You say he "changed his path". I don't see any change, nor did the umpires, nor did the MLB people who reviewed the slide. I assume you are suggesting the runner "changed his path" for purpose of initiating contact with the fielder". If you look at the replay, as Rizzo approached home plate he ran directly towards the catcher and slid towards him while still being able to touch home plate. All of that is within the rule as he never left the base path. IMHO that does not constitute changing one's path. Did he run in a direct line from 3B to home for 90 feet? No. Nor does the rule require him to provided he remains within the base path. If it did MLB would have explicitly changed the rule to eliminate the "3 foot rule" and said a player must slide directly into a base and must run in a straight line. There is a reason they did not do that as it would in effect render it impossible to ever break up a DP.
Everything you cited is irrelevant and none of it is in the rule book. The "non-emotional" reason for a runner to veer to his left, slide and make contact is simple - to break up a double play. It has been part of the game since the 1800's and when MLB modified the slide rule a few years ago they did not modify it to the extent that a runner who has been forced out is not allowed to slide provided he remains in the base line.
