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Kaepernick will "stand" next year

I don't really agree. The same thing happened to him as would happen to all of us if we decided to talk politics at our place or work. I have no problem with him having an opinion...or expressing that opinion. It wasn't the right venue and it cost him (and the 49ers), as it should.

Not really. We don't have the media up our a** 24/7 at work and we don't have as big a platform. If the media didn't turn this into a circus, it's simply one guy expressing his right to free speech - nothing more.

South Park nailed this.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/w36cls/will-she-sit-or-stand
 
Well, as long as you will be ok, that's the important thing. Scare piece, huh? So none of these bills detailed in the article will pass?


Let's breakdown what this article is really saying. Shall we. BTW, this is the same site that had an ex-reporter arrested today for dialing in the bomb threats to Jewish Groups. Seems like a well organized level headed site. No way could or would they push an agenda. :rolleyes:

"Last week, I reported that such efforts were afoot in five states: In Minnesota, Washington state, Michigan, and Iowa, Republican lawmakers have proposed an array of anti-protesting laws that center on stiffening penalties for demonstrators who block traffic; in North Dakota, conservatives are even pushing a bill that would allow motorists to run over and kill protesters so long as the collision was accidental. Similarly, Republicans in Indiana last week prompted uproar over a proposed law that would instruct police to use “any means necessary” to clear protesters off a roadway."

Awesome...idiots who block a highway are idiots. Stiffen the laws as they are idiots. Bravo there. The second bolded part was is great...allow to run over on accident...nothing hypocritical at all with that wording as that is as mindless as they come...from the author of the bill and this hit piece. Now on to the third one here...I guess that means they line up and shoot them. Yeah...that is what they meant, cops are going to go Red Dawn style and line them up to mow them down. I love the choice of words this click bait idiot uses. Ooooh, that author has me scared now. :rolleyes: Getting people off a road is a safety concern, but don't dare say that...it means you're un-American with authors like this. WTF. Sorry ambulance with the heart attack patient...The millennials need another participation trophy...you have to wait.

"Although Sonnenberg’s bill touts itself largely as a public safety measure and makes no mention of protesters, its language broadly includes anyone who “attempts to alter, obstruct, interrupt, or interfere with the action of any equipment used or associated with oil or gas gathering operations.”

So those hopping on a gas truck may get stiffer penalties....woe is them. Not to mention we are talking about flammable and explosive materials here. Good thing is to make them a sitting target around a crowd of people.

In Virginia, state lawmakers are considering an anti-protesting law that is apparently broader in scope. A bill pending in the state’s Senate would dramatically increase penalties for people who engage in an “unlawful assembly” after “having been lawfully warned to disperse.”

So an unlawful assemble and then will not disperse on their own when asked may get a stiffer penalty. Well, crap...America's done. You got me Judge. To think I served and now my country is asking protestors to hold lawful and peaceful protests as well as listen to the police for their own safety as well as the police.

In Missouri, a bill is pending that would make it a crime for anyone participating in an “unlawful assembly” to intentionally conceal “his or her identity by the means of a robe, mask, or other disguise.” Sponsored by Republican lawmaker Don Phillips, the bill would classify such crimes as a Class A misdemeanor, meaning that anyone caught concealing their identity at such a protest could face up to a year behind bars. The bill contains a section that would exempt identity-concealing coverings for the purposes of religion, safety, or medical needs.

So again this is about unlawful assembly...mind you they aren't banning or punishing any peaceful and lawful protests...far from it. Now it seems like your really concerned about those blocking highways or holding unlawful protests, but I'm not. I'm all for people speaking their mind and holding people accountable with lawful protests, but I don't feel that gives them the right to disrupt whoever they feel like and then cry foul if they have to face a consequence. It sounds awesome if you write an article saying your rights are going away, but some of these are basic safety concerns for both the police and the protesters....but if you word it right...it can get sensationalized really quickly.
 
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Not really. We don't have the media up our a** 24/7 at work and we don't have as big a platform. If the media didn't turn this into a circus, it's simply one guy expressing his right to free speech - nothing more.

South Park nailed this.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/w36cls/will-she-sit-or-stand

He was expressing himself as a way to further the conversation about police brutality. NASCAR dads turned it into the anti-American bent. That's why I posted that video of the green beret and ex NFL player who's become his friend. CK isn't anti-American.
 
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Considering, pending, and proposed? Not exactly shattering the constitution there to be honest.
I disagree. The mere fact that so many people seem to think that any diminishment of our freedoms is ok is disturbing. When people start talking about "protection" you can be pretty sure they mean something else.
 
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He was expressing himself as a way to further the conversation about police brutality. NASCAR dads turned it into the anti-American bent. That's why I posted that video of the green beret and ex NFL player who's become his friend. CK isn't anti-American.

I never said that. I'm commenting only on the media turning this into a spectacle. I'm fine with however people want to express themselves politically (as long as it's peaceful). Our flag doesn't stand for just the things that some people like; when you wear it on your shoulder in a country where folks don't have what we consider to be BASIC rights as Americans, you get some perspective.
 
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I never said that. I'm commenting only on the media turning this into a spectacle. I'm fine with however people want to express themselves politically (as long as it's peaceful). Our flag doesn't stand for just the things that some people like; when you wear it on your shoulder in a country where folks don't have what we consider to be BASIC rights as Americans, you get some perspective.

I was agreeing with you, it wasn't addressed to you specifically.
 
I disagree. The mere fact that so many people seem to think that any diminishment of our freedoms is ok is disturbing. When people start talking about "protection" you can be pretty sure they mean something else.
Did you really read what was written in that article? If your family member was in the ambulance dying and couldn't get by a blocked highway due to an UNLAWFUL protest, where do these rights come into play? Most of this stuff was talking about unlawful protests and were simple basic safety concerns for both the protesters and those protecting them. This sounds like it was written by a frosh in college who sat next to a hot girl at one protest and found his new cause. Sorry, but none of that screamed to me that you're right to a peaceful protest are just about done.
 
Let's breakdown what this article is really saying. Shall we.

"Last week, I reported that such efforts were afoot in five states: In Minnesota, Washington state, Michigan, and Iowa, Republican lawmakers have proposed an array of anti-protesting laws that center on stiffening penalties for demonstrators who block traffic; in North Dakota, conservatives are even pushing a bill that would allow motorists to run over and kill protesters so long as the collision was accidental. Similarly, Republicans in Indiana last week prompted uproar over a proposed law that would instruct police to use “any means necessary” to clear protesters off a roadway."

Awesome...idiots who block a highway are idiots. Stiffen the laws as they are idiots. Bravo there. The second bolded part was is great...allow to run over on accident...nothing hypocritical at all with that wording as that is as mindless as they come...from the author of the bill and this hit piece. Now on to the third one here...I guess that means they line up and shoot them. Yeah...that is what they meant, cops are going to go Red Dawn style and line them up to mow them down. I love the choice of words this click bait idiot uses. Ooooh, that author has me scared now. :rolleyes: Getting people off a road is a safety concern, but don't dare say that...it means you're un-American with authors like this. WTF. Sorry ambulance with the heart attack patient...The millennials need another participation trophy...you have to wait.

"Although Sonnenberg’s bill touts itself largely as a public safety measure and makes no mention of protesters, its language broadly includes anyone who “attempts to alter, obstruct, interrupt, or interfere with the action of any equipment used or associated with oil or gas gathering operations.”

So those hopping on a gas truck may get stiffer penalties....woe is them. Not to mention we are talking about flammable and explosive materials here. Good thing is to make them a sitting target around a crowd of people.

In Virginia, state lawmakers are considering an anti-protesting law that is apparently broader in scope. A bill pending in the state’s Senate would dramatically increase penalties for people who engage in an “unlawful assembly” after “having been lawfully warned to disperse.”

So an unlawful assemble and then will not disperse on their own when asked may get a stiffer penalty. Well, crap...America's done. You got me Judge. To think I served and now my country is asking protestors to hold lawful and peaceful protests as well as listen to the police for their own safety as well as the police.

In Missouri, a bill is pending that would make it a crime for anyone participating in an “unlawful assembly” to intentionally conceal “his or her identity by the means of a robe, mask, or other disguise.” Sponsored by Republican lawmaker Don Phillips, the bill would classify such crimes as a Class A misdemeanor, meaning that anyone caught concealing their identity at such a protest could face up to a year behind bars. The bill contains a section that would exempt identity-concealing coverings for the purposes of religion, safety, or medical needs.

So again this is about unlawful assembly...mind you they aren't banning or punishing any peaceful and lawful protests...far from it. Now it seems like your really concerned about those blocking highways or holding unlawful protests, but I'm not. I'm all for people speaking their mind and holding people accountable with lawful protests, but I don't feel that gives them the right to disrupt whoever they feel like and then cry foul if they have to face a consequence. It sounds awesome if you write an article saying your rights are going away, but some of these are basic safety concerns for both the police and the protesters....but if you word it right...it can get sensationalized really quickly.

Oh, so as long as it is a "lawful protest", then everything is ok. The Government gets to decide if a protest is "lawful", and if the Government says it isn't then all bets are off. People get what they deserve. Of course the Government will always be fair in determining if a protest against Government actions meets their guidelines for what is lawful. I was worried about nothing. Thanks for clearing all that up for me.
 
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I disagree. The mere fact that so many people seem to think that any diminishment of our freedoms is ok is disturbing. When people start talking about "protection" you can be pretty sure they mean something else.
You don't have the freedom to protest *edit* non peacefully. You never did.
 
Oh, so as long as it is a "lawful protest", then everything is ok. The Government gets to decide if a protest is "lawful", and if the Government says it isn't then all bets are off. People get what they deserve. Of course the Government will always be fair in determining if a protest against Government actions meets their guidelines for what is lawful. I was worried about nothing. Thanks for clearing all that up for me.

True...but a protester than cannot say they are surprised or their rights were violated if arrested in an unlawful act.

And, back to Kaepernick, people exercised their own freedoms, by shutting out the 49ers (and, to some extent, the NFL). Freedom is freedom and will have its way....that's the beauty of it.
 
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Oh, so as long as it is a "lawful protest", then everything is ok. The Government gets to decide if a protest is "lawful", and if the Government says it isn't then all bets are off. People get what they deserve. Of course the Government will always be fair in determining if a protest against Government actions meets their guidelines for what is lawful. I was worried about nothing. Thanks for clearing all that up for me.

My bad, I missed the I-95 clause in the constitution. Safety for the police and others not protesting doesn't matter during an unlawful protest. I got it.
 
My bad, I missed the I-95 clause in the constitution. Safety for the police and others not protesting doesn't matter during an unlawful protest. I got it.

Everyone is fine as long as they stay in their designated "free speech zones" a mile from whatever event is going on. It's all good.
 
He was expressing himself as a way to further the conversation about police brutality. NASCAR dads turned it into the anti-American bent. That's why I posted that video of the green beret and ex NFL player who's become his friend. CK isn't anti-American.

Thats all well and good and I never got caught up in all the drama surrounding it. I figured it was his "choice" and that one of the tenets this country was founded on.
What I do have a problem with is him then saying he didn't vote. Cant have it both ways.
 
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Everyone is fine as long as they stay in their designated "free speech zones" a mile from whatever event is going on. It's all good.

These are fair statements, IMHO. But isn't a protest groups opportunity to take their issues to a judge? (no pun intended) Here in CLE, during the convention, many groups were able to win nice compromises in the courts when the police got a little too restrictive. But, I agree we can't have people arbitrarily stopping traffic or shutting down places of business.
 
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Did you really read what was written in that article? If your family member was in the ambulance dying and couldn't get by a blocked highway due to an UNLAWFUL protest, where do these rights come into play? Most of this stuff was talking about unlawful protests and were simple basic safety concerns for both the protesters and those protecting them. This sounds like it was written by a frosh in college who sat next to a hot girl at one protest and found his new cause. Sorry, but none of that screamed to me that you're right to a peaceful protest are just about done.
We don't need new laws to allow the cops to clear an illegally blocked street.
 
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You don't have the freedom to protest *edit* non peacefully. You never did.

Very often, you don't have the freedom to protest peacefully, either.

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We don't need new laws to allow the cops to clear an illegally blocked street.
Most of that article was all about increasing penalties for unlawful protests, not new laws...none of which has JACK SH!T to do with Kolin K. It sounds so great to champion a cause...it's awesome, but sometimes it comes off fake as sh!t if people don't read what they actually link.
 
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True.....but those photos are of photos are of 50 years ago...so how "often" is "often?"

Those protesters were walking in the road (was it I95? Probably not), not in designated freedom zones. "Unlawful protests". Too bad we didn't have these new laws around then. We could have avoided all that civil rights nonsense during the 60s and still have blacks unable to vote and drinking out of their own goddamn water fountains.
 
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Those protesters were walking in the road, not in designated freedom zones. "Unlawful protests". Too bad we didn't have these new laws around then. We could have avoided all that civil rights nonsense during the 60s and still have blacks unable to vote and drinking out of their own goddamn water fountains.

I hope these same people get outraged over every public riot after a sports team wins a championship. or loses a championship. you know, when they block traffic to celebrate a major win. run all those white people over, I say.
 
Most of that article was all about increasing penalties for unlawful protests, not new laws...none of which has JACK SH!T to do with Kolin K.
If you can't see the slippery slope here, I don't know what else to say.
 
I hope these same people get outraged over every public riot after a sports team wins a championship. or loses a championship. you know, when they block traffic to celebrate a major win. run all those white people over, I say.

The outrage over Kapernick exercising his first amendment right to freedom of expression and speech is completely un-American to me. "He's disrespecting the troops!" The troops that are supposed to protect our freedoms, such as the freedom of expression and speech? That makes sense. You can have your freedoms, just don't try to use them.
 
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The outrage over Kapernick exercising his first amendment right to freedom of expression and speech is completely un-American to me. "He's disrespecting the troops!" The troops that are supposed to protect our freedoms, such as the freedom of expression and speech? That makes sense. You can have your freedoms, just don't try to use them.

people should read the tweets from actual troops who supported K-dog
 
The outrage over Kapernick exercising his first amendment right to freedom of expression and speech is completely un-American to me. "He's disrespecting the troops!" The troops that are supposed to protect our freedoms, such as the freedom of expression and speech? That makes sense. You can have your freedoms, just don't try to use them.
most of the people saying that probably never served- there are a lot of chickenhawks
 
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If you can't see the slippery slope here, I don't know what else to say.
Thank God I don't follow these parties as blindly as some do here. From saying new laws are stripping the rights of protesters when it is really about not blocking an interstate which is safe for nobody and impedes real emergency vehicles from getting to accidents or real emergencies. Then again...when you click on a site you have to realize who the source is in addition to who their audience may be and many seem to struggle with that.
 
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