Kaid Brock WBF 0:42 over defending champ Brewer

[El-Jefe]

Redshirt, burned.

 

[NittanyChris]

Though judging by that result, with good cause.

 

[caliPSUfan]

Holy crap!

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Wow. That's quite a debut for Brock.

 

[El-Jefe]

Here's the pin -- inside trip throw:

 

[T J]

Here's the pin -- inside trip throw:

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Impressive debut.

Even got a few howls from the peanut gallery in that recording.

 

[El-Jefe]

Full match HERE

 

[KFM74]

Announcer certainly did not think it was a pin. Call was pretty quick. Either way what a way to start for the freshman.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Announcer certainly did not think it was a pin. Call was pretty quick. Either way what a way to start for the freshman.

That's because it was Jack spates the former head coach of the Sooners

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Announcer certainly did not think it was a pin. Call was pretty quick. Either way what a way to start for the freshman.

Just a silly statement by the announcer. The ref was in far better position to evaluate the situation than was the announcer.

The rule book states:

"Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae (For pinning area, see Illustration No. 2.) of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one second constitutes a fall. The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded."

It seemed to me that the ref was checking the left shoulder/scapulae, then switched to the right side, determined that the right was in a pinning position, then switched back to the left and verified that the right was also in a pinning position. That's pretty much what you're taught to do as a ref. The only question is when does the 1 sec count begin, and that's difficult to answer when the offensive wrestler blocks a view of one side. When the ref's view is blocked so that they can't see both sides, they'll generally start on a side, once that's flat then switch to the other side (the right, then the left in the video), then conclude that side one (right in this video/example) is in a pinning position, then switch to the other side (left in this video/example) and check on that, and if side two is also in a pinning position conclude that the sequence took 1 sec and signal the pin. In essence, the refs check 1 side 2 times, which may mean that the defensive wrestler is in a pinning position for more than 1 sec, but the ref can't assume anything, which is why the extra check is made.

 

[Brian LB-U]

FYO, Match will be replayed tonight at 8PM on FCSP

 

[tikk10]

Just a silly statement by the announcer. The ref was in far better position to evaluate the situation than was the announcer.

The rule book states:

"Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae (For pinning area, see Illustration No. 2.) of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one second constitutes a fall. The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded."

It seemed to me that the ref was checking the left shoulder/scapulae, then switched to the right side, determined that the right was in a pinning position, then switched back to the left and verified that the right was also in a pinning position. That's pretty much what you're taught to do as a ref. The only question is when does the 1 sec count begin, and that's difficult to answer when the offensive wrestler blocks a view of one side. When the ref's view is blocked so that they can't see both sides, they'll generally start on a side, once that's flat then switch to the other side (the right, then the left in the video), then conclude that side one (right in this video/example) is in a pinning position, then switch to the other side (left in this video/example) and check on that, and if side two is also in a pinning position conclude that the sequence took 1 sec and signal the pin. In essence, the refs check 1 side 2 times, which may mean that the defensive wrestler is in a pinning position for more than 1 sec, but the ref can't assume anything, which is why the extra check is made.

At the time the fall was called, Brewer's shoulders were up, but immediately before that ref could've, and maybe should've, called it. There was merely a delay between what you accurately described took place and the call, but I think Brewer was stuck long enough to call it.

 

[garw]

Loved the guy who sounded like a one eyed steer caught in an electric fence. Fun times out there.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I was wondering how the publications, etc. would handle 133, especially with regard to Cody Brewer and Kaid Brock. So WIN Magazine is the 1st to post their rankings, and here's what they did (how they were last week in parenthesis):

1. Cory Clark (1)
2. Nahshon Garrett (2)
3. Zane Richards (5)
4. Cody Brewer (3)
5. Ryan Taylor (4)
6. George DiCamillo (6)
7. Earl Hall (7)
8. Conaway (8)
9. Mason Beckman (11)
10. Kaid Brock (NR)
11. Geoffrey Alexander (NR)
12. Eric Montoya (9)
13. Rossi Bruno (10)
14. Zach Synon (17)
15. Joey Ward (14)
16. Johnni DiJulius (13)
17. Josn Alber (12)
18. Dom Forys (NR)
19. Brance Simms (16)
20. Mack McGuire (15)

So much craziness here. Brewer (Okla) loses to unranked Kaid Brock (Ok. St.) -- his 2nd loss in a couple of weeks, and drops from 3rd to 4th. Ryan Taylor (Wisky) loses to unranked Dom Forys (Pitt), and then doesn't wrestle against PSU due to his re-injuring his shoulder in the Forys match (an injury for which he had missed the entire season, I believe), and he drops from 4th to 5th. The aforementioned Kaid Brock (Ok. St) comes off his redshirt and defeats Brewer in his 1st match, and comes from unranked to 10th. Geoffrey Alexander (Rutgers) defeats Eric Montoya (Nebraska) and he moves from unranked to 11th. The aforementioned Montoya (Nebraska) loses to unranked (at the time) Alexander, and drops from 9th to 12th. Johnni DiJulius (Ohio State) was ranked 13th last week. He lost this weekend to Zach Synon (Mizzou), who was ranked 17th last week. So DiJulius dropped from 13th to 16h, and Synon climbed from 17th to 14th.

I'm not a huge fan of WIN's rankings, and I can't say I follow all the logic in their rankings.

A few other oddities from WIN:
- Micah Jordan (Ohio St) lost over the weekend to Matt Manley (Mizzou). Jordan was ranked 6th last week, and Manley was ranked 15th last week. This week they are ranked 7th and 15th, respectively, so Jordan dropped 1 place for losing, and Manley didn't move at all for his beating someone ranked ahead of him
- Bo Jordan (Ohio State) moved down from 174 to 165 this week, and narrowly defeated Daniel Lewis (Mizzou). Jordan was 1st at 174 last week, and Lewis was 10th at 165 last week. This week they are 2nd and 11th, respectively, at 165. So Jordan switches weight and takes over 2nd place, and Lewis drops a spot despite nearly upsetting BoJo

Oh well. It will be interesting to see how 133 is handled by the other ranking groups this week.

 

[El-Jefe]

All you need to know about WIN Magazine rankings is: that's what Jammen cherry-picks to justify trolling that a Goofer prospect with zero wins over D1 opponents is better than a PSU returning All-American.

Link or it didn't happen.