Pitt can stand tall knowing that neither Penn State nor Pitt lost a bowl game in 2017!!
Lair declares Barkley as likely bust
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Pitt can stand tall knowing that neither Penn State nor Pitt lost a bowl game in 2017!!
There is no rivalry between Pitt and Penn State.
Pitt football is irrelevant.
Making fun of the dozen delusional Pitt fans is fun b/c of their intense focus on and hatred of PSU, but it does not make Pitt relevant or a rival.
He may not do that well. We will see. Most Everyone said who is not a Monday morning qb that hack would be very good in the nfl when he gets a much better offensive line. Well that didn’t happen. Everyone here says Barkley would have been the best ever in college football f he had a good offensive line. So we will wait and find out. I don’t know know how many teams have a good offensive line in the nfl. Besides the steelers i don’t really know .I hope he has a long and excitingly great nfl career.
Narduzzi's selling pitch is Pitt has had a losing season 14 of the past 30 years so there's a great chance their players will be home for the holiday season.
If you are a rabid fan I can see how you would hang your hat on the professional career of someone who went to your school. Ex. If your Michigan you can be proud of Brady and have the fun conversation that he is the best of all time. Now i don’t beleive that but it is an example.
Nothing can make pitt relevant. No one can sink so low as to be their rival.
There are obviously no guarantees in life, but there were many more questions about Hackenberg than there are about Barkley coming out of college.
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Animosity defines the perspectives of the fan bases re each other. But we deny the rivalry because we’re an overall stronger program with better recruiting success and would need to see them as an on-field equal or greater recruiting threat than they are to be a rival.
Until we let them be as irrelevant as I agree they should be, I’ll disagree about the no-rivalry farse. Our fanbase cares way more about beating them than we’d like to admit. We’re not convincing anyone no matter how much they don’t deserve to be a rival.
NFL scouts and GMs were largely stunned when the Jets drafted Hack in the 2nd round. No such evaluations of SB. His talents are not being disputed.
I literally didn’t now of one penn state fan who thought that about Hack.
Haha. I think they deleted it. What a bunch of dbags. I made two very fair statements in the thread, probably couldn't even notice I'm a penn state fan. I just went back to see if anyone responded and I can't find it anywhere.
My statements were about his 22 game no fumble streak and how the rpo offense works as they didn't really seem to understand
The laughable part to me, they are basing their opinion on the success of Warner, Thomas, Carter and Enis, who all had knee injuries prior to or early in their NFL career and all played 20-30 years ago.
Hell, they listed at least 6 Penn State RB's who were high draft choices. I can't think of more than 2 Pitt RB's in that period. Either Paterno got more out of them in college than any NFL team could manage (gasp!) or their bodies just gave out.
Hell, they listed at least 6 Penn State RB's who were high draft choices. I can't think of more than 2 Pitt RB's in that period. Either Paterno got more out of them in college than any NFL team could manage (gasp!) or their bodies just gave out.
KanePa is a thin skinned weasel who reads this board regularly and sometimes posts here. He is able to post because we aren't thin skinned like Pantherlair and allow him to post
Basing whether a running back will be successful on past history of a college under a coaching staff who is no longer at Penn State is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read, but it is Pantherlair so it is to be expected.
Just know that KanePa would give up his children and his balls to ever witness a season like Penn State just had let alone back to back. He never will and he knows it
Basing whether a running back will be successful on past history of a college under a coaching staff who is no longer at Penn State is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read, but it is Pantherlair so it is to be expected.
Just know that KanePa would give up his children and his balls to ever witness a season like Penn State just had let alone back to back. He never will and he knows it
You seem to be implying that it's a 50-50 proposition on whether Barkley will have a good/great NFL career. Your opinion, but I'd love to know on what you're basing it. Sure isn't anything we've seen out of him the last 3 years (and going back further to him giving away his track medal=high character). I know you routinely would weigh in on the GOAT threads and talk down Barkley. Sounds like you've got a problem with him. Oh well, you missed out on watching a whale of a running back the last 3 years. Too bad for you.
They must have had a substitute mod yesterday, for that thread to get deleted. It was ridiculous, but far far far less ridiculous than most of the stuff on that board.
All the talk here in Pittsburgh is about Leveon Bell and how he is disgruntled about his salary -- even though he is the highest paid back in the NFL. Bell says he might not play next year unless he gets a raise. Bell seems to have the maturity of a 10 year old and is always causing trouble.
There is a great solution to the Steelers' Bell problem. Trade bell to the Browns for the first pick in the draft. Then take Barkley with the pick. Barkley is a better inside runner than Bell. Barkley is faster. Barkley is a better pass receiver and a better blocker. Also, Barkley is mature and a great team player. This would be a huge win for the Steelers and the Browns are probably dumb enough to make the trade.
There is a great solution to the Steelers' Bell problem. Trade bell to the Browns for the first pick in the draft. Then take Barkley with the pick. Barkley is a better inside runner than Bell. Barkley is faster. Barkley is a better pass receiver and a better blocker. Also, Barkley is mature and a great team player. This would be a huge win for the Steelers and the Browns are probably dumb enough to make the trade.
They like to hang their hat on a mentally unstable guy who played at Pitt while they were openly cheating to win their only national championship... and a guy who Paterno turned away despite being extremely talented, but accomplished nothing at Pitt.
You should get one of these...
The same Curt Warner who tore up the NFL for several years and was on his way to the HOF before destroying his knee? They’re even more stupid than I thought
They like to hang their hat on PSU top picks not becoming All-pro or whatever and that their RB's have great careers, even guys like Dion Lewis and such. Well to me all that says is that they had talent at Pitt but somehow managed to underachieve while PSU guys maybe overachieved in college because of better coaching. Makes sense to me.
According to the Lair, everybody else, the entire football world is wrong and their little community of Pitt fans are the only people smart enough to see that Barkley isn't very good.
Dunning–Kruger effect
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.[1]
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1]
Conversely, highly competent individuals may erroneously presume that tasks easy for them to perform are also easy for other people to perform, or that other people will have a similar understanding of subjects that they themselves are well-versed in.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Dunning–Kruger effect
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.[1]
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1]
Conversely, highly competent individuals may erroneously presume that tasks easy for them to perform are also easy for other people to perform, or that other people will have a similar understanding of subjects that they themselves are well-versed in.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
The success of past PSU RBs has nothing to do with whether or not Saquon will be successfull. A matter of fact, the success or failure of anyone from PSU has nothing to do with the success or failure of any other player from PSU in the NFL. This is especially true for PSU backs who played at PSU three decades ago.
Do you know who the Lair doesn't talk about anymore? Their boy Nathan Peterman because they would have to admit to themselves that they were wrong about him. However, the fact that Peterman is a terrible QB has nothing to do with whether any other Pitt QB would be successful in the NFL.
I'd like to see the numbers behind that average. I tend to believe that number is brought down by all the marginal backs that are out of the league quickly because their talent didn't translate to the NFL. Google comes through again. Found a link to a site that does uses a different methodology to calculate average.
http://www.thesoapboxers.com/what-is-the-length-of-an-nfl-running-backs-career/
http://www.thesoapboxers.com/what-is-the-length-of-an-nfl-running-backs-career/
Here is what this guy did.
My methodology
There are two decisions to be made with the data. The first is how to quantify “good”. I’m going to take the years 1991-2010 and look at running backs who finished in the top 20 in the league in rushing yards at least once during that twenty year span. My thought is that if you’re a good running back – the type that carries a team – you’re going to land in the top 20 at some point. Maybe not every year, but at least once. This is going to miss some situations like guys who are part of a tandem backfield for their entire career, but it should at least provide a decent sample size to work with. I am excluding active players (defined as players who played in 2011), because of the problem with mid-career numbers. Rushing yards isn’t a perfect barometer, but it should be fairly sound.
The second decision is what is meant by “length of career”. Years can be messy – if a guy plays 9 games, does he get credit for a year? I decided to just scrap the idea of years and go with games instead.
The data
Twenty years of top 20 lists means 400 names. However, many players made the list multiple times. There were 150 unique names on the list. 40 of these players are active, leaving 110 retired players in this group. Here is the list, in order of most to fewest games played.
Mean: 109.4
Median: 103.5
If we divide these numbers by a 16 game schedule, we get 6.8 years for the mean and 6.5 for the median. However, it’s important to note that it’s pretty common for a player – in any sport – to get dinged up and miss a game every one in a while. So even a generally healthy running back would generally stretch these games out over 7.5 – 8 years. Only 27 of the 110 players in the group had a career of 80 games or fewer (5 full seasons).
Ever since 'The Office', whenever I read that someone declares somthing, I get that image of Michael Scott "declaring" bankruptcy by shouting "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" around the office.
So, in that vein: WE DECLARE THE LAIR OF LIARS TO BE NOT ONLY A BUST, BUT IRRELEVANT TO US HERE IN BWI LAND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM! *
Whew. That felt pretty good. What can we declare next?
(*well, you know, except for those in our own BWI fam who go over there and read their tripe just to make sure their own day doesn't go too well for them, I suppose).
So, in that vein: WE DECLARE THE LAIR OF LIARS TO BE NOT ONLY A BUST, BUT IRRELEVANT TO US HERE IN BWI LAND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM! *
Whew. That felt pretty good. What can we declare next?
(*well, you know, except for those in our own BWI fam who go over there and read their tripe just to make sure their own day doesn't go too well for them, I suppose).
Sweet. I'll look that up.They like to hang their hat on a mentally unstable guy who played at Pitt while they were openly cheating to win their only national championship... and a guy who Paterno turned away despite being extremely talented, but accomplished nothing at Pitt.
You should get one of these...
Their fanbase is dumb enough to celebrate keeping Renaldo Hill as a coach and think they have a higher ceiling than Michigan State. You can't make this stuff up
And yet, a week ago a few of them were glad to see him leave, saying it was no big deal if he left because he hadn't done much.
My favorite:
1. Penn State will suck in 2018 because Saquon Barkley is gone.
2. Saquon Barkley will do nothing in the nfl.
There's a lot of stupid people on that thread...there were rational people too....kind of like our board 
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Bell said he might not play if they hit him with the franchise tag for a 2nd year in a row. I don't blame him. He wants a multi-year contract with the guaranteed money that goes with it.
Just part of negotiations. He's not going to sit out and pass up 14-17 million for the year. He'll make as much in two years of being tagged (about 25-30 million) as would have been guaranteed on most contracts. I love him threatening to retire. It's good planning by his agent. The Steelers won't be phased at all.
Also, while I think the sky is the limit for Barkley....Bell's the best back in the league. Cleveland wouldn't be stupid for trading for him nor is it a lock that Barkley is as good or better. As much as I would love to see Barkley in black & gold letting Bell go isn't a smart move. He's only 25. He's got at least 5 great years left.
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