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[Agoodnap]

Everyone keeps talking about conclusions and evidence yet Freeh already told the world, through the courts, that the entire report is an opinion. As such, it doesn't have to be based on anything of substance and it likely isn't.

I'm of the opinion that the Phillies will win 102 games this year. How's that sound? I'm hoping that someone will want to pay me $8.5M for that opinion.

 

[Bob78]

I don't believe Freeh or Karen Peetz ever used the word promise. In which case they had license to not come back and discuss the report and not break any promises.

But still remain people who give their word without the intent on keeping it. Them there's some high-kwality folks you hang with, CR. You must be so proud of your shared lack of ethics.

 

[toddbrewster]

I was one of the first and one of the few to argue for Joe's innocence after the BOT fired him. I pointed out that this should be the Sandusky Scandal and not the PSU Scandal and I said Jerry should be hung by his manhood. After about a year and studying the facts, the only way this made sense was if Jerry was a chaste pedophile. Again I was in the minority on this stance. However, I did see more posters started arguing for Joe's innocence.

I finally got fed up with posters' ignorance about a year ago. I see that this is a hot issue again. I do not have time to read all the posts, but has anything turned up showing Jerry was guilty outside of testimony by people who made millions? Are C,S& S now in the position where they can shed some light on this?

BYW, I saw Jared get 15 years for admitting to raping young girls and transporting them across state lines to have sex. If I remember correctly there was much porn on his computer and other incriminating evidence.

 

[Bob78]

Just because "all Dr. Jack Raykovitz was told about was horseplay" has been repeated ad nauseum and makes it so. The cumulative effect of Curley's, Schultz's, Spanier's, Courtney's AND TOM POOLE'S KNOWLEDGE put that assertion where it belongs. The "anal rape" exists only in an alternate universe of Frank Fina's disgusting mind.

The answer to your other questions are pretty straight forward. Dr. Jack Raykovitz and the Second Mile was a parasite on the football program and he knew it. Screaming from the rooftops may have effectively ended his stint with Penn State. There are any number of possible ($250,000 and Swinger's parties) reasons why he didn't intervene.

Interesting.... I heard rumors about those swingers' parties also. Didn't know what to make of it, as it was in the aftermath of so much of this crap early on, but came from someone I thought would not spread such rumors based on an unreliable source. Involved 'the' private jet and a CA hideaway. In an otherwise saner time, I may have just dismissed it as whispering down the lane. In the aftermath of this whole deal, I no longer discount anything out of hand.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

But still remain people who give their word without the intent on keeping it. Them there's some high-kwality folks you hang with, CR. You must be so proud of your shared lack of ethics.

Crud66, the quintessential zero-substance "empty suit" - and the best part is how "proud" he is of being such a thing? He brags about it? He's a classic example of the Biblical verse, "The sins of the father (e.g., lack of morals) will be revisited upon the son".

 

[Pennoyer]

Information contained in three million documents and gleaned from over three hundred interviews say otherwise. Once the dissident trustees review the work product, ask them if they agree.

Really? Have you reviewed the documents? What if, for example, an attorney who conducted many investigations of this nature, reviewed those documents and concluded that there was no basis to support Freeh's personal opinions? I won't hold my breath for a response because you are a coward.

 

[sluggo72]

66 Did Freeh ever interview MM?? if they investigation could go wherever and whomever, did they ever bother to interview MM??

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

66 Did Freeh ever interview MM?? if they investigation could go wherever and whomever, did they ever bother to interview MM??

I believe Freeh already disclosed that he did not talk to MM, Dr. Dranov, JM, JVP, TC or GS as they were all under subpoena.

 

[sluggo72]

I believe Freeh already disclosed that he did not talk to MM, Dr. Dranov, JM, JVP, TC or GS as they were all under subpoena.

thanks, and that's my point to 66, if you cant investigate MM, DR, JM, JVP, TC or GS how can you have an investigation that goes anywhere and everywhere??

 

[farmer79]

Apparently it's still lost on GTA that if CYS was contacted in 2001 and they never investigated the complaint since they had already cleared St Jerry in 98 for a very similar incident (see Tutko case for another example of CYS simply not investigating someone they already cleared) or they determined it to be unfounded, there'd be no record/proof, just like there's no CYS record of 1998.

All the state did to "prove" CC CYS wasn't told about 2002 (sic) was have sassano talk to two people. One was lauro who didn't even work for CC CYS and the other was the current head of cc CYS who was a low level employee at the time in 2001. That's it. No call logs subpoenaed etc.. He didn't seem to want to dig very hard.

Even if they didn't contact CC CYS it's moot because the admins still went above and beyond their legal requirement by informing JR at TSM who certainly was a mandatory reporter, being the director of a state licensed children's charity, who was required to look into any and all incident reports re: one of his employees.

Wife was intake supervisor in Huntingdon county at cys even if they investigated if it was what they call unfounded the records would be destroyed

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

thanks, and that's my point to 66, if you cant investigate MM, DR, JM, JVP, TC or GS how can you have an investigation that goes anywhere and everywhere??

They don't call people like Crud66 and Fact Freeh "spin artist" hatchet-men for nothing.....they don't let silly, pesky facts get in the way of their yarns.

 

[91Joe95]

I don't believe Freeh or Karen Peetz ever used the word promise. In which case they had license to not come back and discuss the report and not break any promises.

Maybe they had their fingers crossed behind their backs.

 

[91Joe95]

I believe Freeh already disclosed that he did not talk to MM, Dr. Dranov, JM, JVP, TC or GS as they were all under subpoena.

That doesn't mean he couldn't talk to them.

 

[simons96]

Maybe they had their fingers crossed behind their backs.

over/under on the number of people who buy CR's BS? I'd say zero. I think even he knows he's full of crap.

 

[lionlurker]

I don't believe Freeh or Karen Peetz ever used the word promise. In which case they had license to not come back and discuss the report and not break any promises.

By the way, CR, I still think Ms. Peetz' middle name begins with "C".

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

That doesn't mean he couldn't talk to them.

No, didn't say it meant that, but I believe Freeh did state, with approval from STIF, that he was not going to speak with anyone under subpoena.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

over/under on the number of people who buy CR's BS? I'd say zero. I think even he knows he's full of crap.

I'm going with the "under" (CR himself counts as a negative 1)

 

[mhentz]

Joe's written press release (no doubt drafted by a lawyer) acknowledges "clear...inappropriate" behavior. At NO time does he recant, retract, or deny that it was "sexual in nature" as he testified. He could easily have done so in that statement but chose not to.

Its clear his intent was to affirm his testimony, otherwise he would have been more emphatic in his statement and would have said he misspoke when he called it sexual. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes. He had an opportunity then, and afterwards, to retract or clarify his testimony if it was inaccurate, or wrong, and he chose not to do so.

Why do you think he chose to hide behind the words of a lawyer rather than speak directly to the media?

Sally Jenkins is a lawyer and not a reporter??? I had no idea.

 

[lionlurker]

She, and just about everybody else, is a better lawyer than Seth.

 

[artsandletters]

Wife was intake supervisor in Huntingdon county at cys even if they investigated if it was what they call unfounded the records would be destroyed

This is important. UNfounded means did not happen. Means there is no 1998 record to access.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

I still recall Louis promising to come back and discuss his "opinion" in open forums. I guess I missed those forums...would have been fun.

Please be reasonable. Do/did you really expect Louis the Opinionated Liar [new acronym nickname is LOL] to visit any forum other than a bar, a pig feeding trough filled with Franklins, or this place...?
He's attracted to free booze, free money, and CR666.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

300 interviews with whom?? They didn't interview anybody involved with the freaking case so interviewing 300 people outside the Mall doesn't do any good, does it?? What did these 3,000,000 documents say?? Only that you haven't been mistreated??

Listening to Triponey bitch 300 times does not constitute 300 interviews.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Excellent, cr has provided his mortal lock that the og bot are screwed.

So, CR stands for CRonk lock?

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Wrong again Bucco. Freeh's ATTORNEYS stated the other day these weren't "conclusions", they were "OPINIONS".

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Interesting.... I heard rumors about those swingers' parties also. Didn't know what to make of it, as it was in the aftermath of so much of this crap early on, but came from someone I thought would not spread such rumors based on an unreliable source. Involved 'the' private jet and a CA hideaway. In an otherwise saner time, I may have just dismissed it as whispering down the lane. In the aftermath of this whole deal, I no longer discount anything out of hand.

I'm of the opinion you can find Swingers parties here...

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

thanks, and that's my point to 66, if you cant investigate MM, DR, JM, JVP, TC or GS how can you have an investigation that goes anywhere and everywhere??

TRIPONEY

 

[simons96]

Please be reasonable. Do/did you really expect Louis the Opinionated Liar [new acronym nickname is LOL] to visit any forum other than a bar, a pig feeding trough filled with Franklins, or this place...?
He's attracted to free booze, free money, and CR666.

wait a second, based on your OPINION, can I reasonably conclude that CR was Freeh's bottom during a Jasna Polana munch?

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

wait a second, based on your OPINION, can I reasonably conclude that CR was Freeh's bottom during a Jasna Polana munch?

Well, it sure wasn't Triponey. Freeh wasn't drunk enough. Then again, he did violate a Tree.

 

[didier]

Came across a claim recently that John Seasock has been "brought in" to other CYS cases (in counties other than Centre) to give the local offices the result they want. He was "the guy" to use if they wanted to discredit a claim. I don't know if there is any truth to this, although it is very disturbing. Certainly Seasock's evaluation of Sandusky was lousy at best and his involvement suspicious..and one could be forgiven for thinking he was "brought in" to get the desired result....and override Chamber's report. If the above is true, the answer to all the debate here lies in who brought Seasock in. Anybody else hear anything about this?

 

[Cruising Route 66]

I can hardly wait to hear what the "dissidents" have to say after their review is complete. I don't think they'll be saying much of anything to anybody unless they want to be in contempt of court for violating their Court ordered confidentiality agreements. I don't believe they will agree with your assessment.

Spanier, Curley, and Schultz will eventually be exonerated and it won't be because of a technicality. Regrettably, they're already beneficiaries of a technicality. The Freeh Report farce will be debunked. Tell me how you think someones opinion will be debunked. The day of reckoning will eventually happen. Not in my lifetime.

Really? Have you reviewed the documents? What if, for example, an attorney who conducted many investigations of this nature, reviewed those documents and concluded that there was no basis to support Freeh's personal opinions? If your attorney had a divergent opinion then the question I would ask is who is paying he/she and who is he/she representing? Freehs team was composed of a number of lawyers and they all came to consensus of opinion. I won't hold my breath for a response because you are a coward. Did I disappoint you?

 

[Cruising Route 66]

I'm of the opinion you can find Swinger's parties here...

Oh you so wish you could be a member.

 

[Cruising Route 66]

over/under on the number of people who buy CR's BS? I'd say zero. I think even he knows he's full of crap.

Just couldn't help yourself could you. I thought you had put me on ignore and weren't going to read any more of my musings. Admit it, you really do care what I have to say otherwise you wouldn't be commenting on it.

 

[Cruising Route 66]

They don't call people like Crud66 and Fact Freeh "spin artist" hatchet-men for nothing.....they don't let silly, pesky facts get in the way of their yarns.

Whose they? The tin foil hat Joebots that inhabit this forum?

 

[Cruising Route 66]

But still remain people who give their word without the intent on keeping it. Them there's some high-kwality folks you hang with, CR. You must be so proud of your shared lack of ethics.

How do you know they didn't intend to keep it? Did they tell you that? People have the right to change their minds as the landscape changes. Tell me you haven't changed your mind numerous times in your life when it suited you.

 

[pandaczar12]

Just couldn't help yourself could you. I thought you had put me on ignore and weren't going to read any more of my musings. Admit it, you really do care what I have to say otherwise you wouldn't be commenting on it.

Why do you assume he doesn't have you on ignore? There is nothing in his post to indicate that. He simply could be reacting to what others are posting.

Whose they? The tin foil hat Joebots that inhabit this forum.

While it's incredibly poor wording to begin with, you mean "who's they".

The assumptions and English mistakes do not help your already ridiculously low credibility.

 

[Bob78]

How do you know they didn't intend to keep it? Did they tell you that? People have the right to change their minds as the landscape changes. Tell me you haven't changed your mind numerous times in your life when it suited you.

Good Lord. This is your response? You claim to be a business person. This is the response of a middle-schooler. Context, CR, context.

 

[artsandletters]

Oh you so wish you could be a member.

Not really exclusive.

 

[simons96]

Good Lord. This is your response? You claim to be a business person. This is the response of a middle-schooler. Context, CR, context.

he's such a friggin crybaby

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Why do you assume he doesn't have you on ignore? There is nothing in his post to indicate that. He simply could be reacting to what others are posting.
While it's incredibly poor wording to begin with, you mean "who's they".
The assumptions and English mistakes do not help your already ridiculously low credibility.

He seems to be inebriated. Soon he will be replying to CR66 insults under the Black Elmo account!

 

[91Joe95]

Oh boy, you can almost smell the fear. The alumni trustees must have gotten access to the files.