You totally avoided the counter to your argument. But that's okay. Some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time either.
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Anthony, if you guys haven't done so already, can you please look into the freeh source files to see what Schultz's email to Harmon on 2/12/01 said? Freeh mentions it in a footnote but conveniently left out the contents. I'm guessing if the contents supported his B.S. narrative he would have included them.
Thanks and good luck during your review!
Of course they could have made the report themselves by notifying the police of their receipt of a reported sexual assault of a young boy witnessed by MM. Guess what; after the police received that report they almost certainly would have interviewed, drum roll..............; wait for it....... Mike McQueary.
Please don't bring Harmon into the loop as yet another Penn State employee and the Chief of Police who ignored MM's report. That doesn't help Penn State but I gather your concern is placed elsewhere.
You seem to think this is a word smithing game. I feel bad for you because you really do come across as a horrible person who does not care about the damage you do to victims.
In fact, what he believes could actually create additional victims.
Obviously if MM wanted to speak to the police and file a report he would have done it himself he certainly didn't need CSSP to reach out to them on his behalf, he was a grown ass man at the time.
If your contention is true, that he expected Joe/admins to notify the police so they could come talk to him, why didn't he ever ask Schultz why no one from UPPD came to get his statement and why didn't he express any dissatisfaction or say MORE needed to be done to Joe/Tim when they followed up with him a few weeks later?? This should be good...
If Harmon failed to do his job that's on him not the damned football "culture", Joe, or the admins. His failure/incompetence to do HIS JOB re: JS will be exposed eventually.
If anyone covered up at PSU it was Harmon, not the admins/football coach. Either Harmon covered up for JS or he too was groomed to think JS was the last person who would ever harm a child. You know about grooming right? Fina was supposedly all pissed that the 1998 file was marked admin making it harder to find and instead of going after the guy who actually marked it admin he broke the Constitution to try and throw the book at CSS, yeah that makes perfect sense right?
There's another possible reason for getting Barron on the stand...
There's an old saying about it being much easier to keep your story straight when you're telling the Truth, but when you're telling a lie, you've got to keep 100 different stories straight. Assuming Barron is lying, all you need to do is ask the right set of questions for which Barron wasn't adequately prepped for, and see whether those answers contradict the ones of Silvis and other BoT members who will also be testifying. It should be quite satisfying to get Silvis on the stand and ask him "But then why did Barron just tell us X when you're telling us Y?"
UNCLE
'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.' (Carlin)
Give us the rest of the context. And where is the audio of it so we can punctuate the testimony accurately?
Everybody knows that all 911 calls in State College were personally routed through Joe Paterno anyway, so the McQueary's just felt like saving the price of a phone call.
First of all he said "it was a sexual nature" which doesn't even make sense if properly transcribed. Second, and more importantly, "I don't know..." before AND after that vague statement trumps everything else. Oh wait...I know...it was "fondling"...which the actual sole eyewitness has never stated he saw in any of his renditions of events.
Nice try skippy.
Amazing. Your "hypotheticals" 100% universally wound up being things in the Freeh Report. What a "coincidence."
Fair enough if you're playing the "plausible deniability" card, but the fact that you had a 100% hit rate makes me believe that is bunk.
What exactly does "a sexual nature" mean? What did it mean to a man in his 80s? What does it mean when it's double qualified (I don't know what you'd call it) by a man in his 80s?
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WeR ... he is trolling don't let him get you worked up... he is a waste of time much like cr666 and michie... they are here to troll as it is kinda funny watching them day after day trying to get everyone worked up... well I should state michie and gt troll... cr666 just spews drivel that the old guard told him to speak to the masses to continue to block and hide and no transparency... alas funny how they are all getting worked up as the facts continue to come out and courts rule in c/s/s and paterno's favor
GTACSA said:
Just imagine that call to the police:
Yes this is Joe Paterno, I'd like to report something, I don't know what you would call it, someone else witnessed it last night, I don't know exactly what it was, he didn't give a lot of details. No he didn't intervene. No he didn't call the police. He also told his father and Dr. Dranov. No they didn't think it required the police to be contacted either. You also have a nice day.
Gee, I don't know. Maybe it is because he is the University President. As such, if he were to review the report it would not be in his capacity as an individual citizen, but rather on behalf of the University. End of argument.
I never said MM expected Joe/Admins to notify the police; that's your fabrication.
I appreciate your candor that your concern is not Penn State but rather Joe and the football program
It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that people can accurately recount a conversation they had a decade earlier. Only a complete imbecile would believe that.
THIS!!! Sadly, mental midgets can't figure this out.
According to Dr. Dranov who spoke with MM directly after the incident, MM didn't "witness" anything either - Dr. Dranov said he asked MM if he saw criminal sexual assault and whether he should call the police to take a statement 3 separate times. Each time, MM said not to call police because he didn't see anything and went back to what he HEARD each time. MM saying that he thought he heard something "inappropriate" and of a "sexual nature" has nothing to do with what he said about what he SAW and eyewitnessed. Dr. Dranov told MM three separate times that he, Dr. Dranov, needed to call police if MM saw sexual assault and three separate times MM told him not to call police because he didn't see anything and what he was concerned about was what he HEARD. MM saying he "SAW SOMETHING OF A SEXUAL NATURE" is not true according to Dranov.
Telephone ringing: Hello....State College Police Department
Joe Paterno: Yes, hi. My name is Joe Paterno and I just had someone come to my house and tell me they witnessed something last night in the Lasch Building... "inappropriate", "fondling", "sexual in nature". He was very upset and didn't give me all the details.
Police Department: Really? We don't have any record of anyone witnessing an alleged "sexual in nature" event last night. Are you sure it was last night?
Joe Paterno: Well, he said he saw it last night and went home and told his Daddy' and a friend of the family who is a doctor.
Police Department: Really? He saw something "inappropriate", "sexual in nature" and some "some type of fondling", and didn't contact us immediately?
Joe Paterno: Well I guess he was really upset. He did tell his daddy and a doctor friend.
Police Department: Really? Let me check here..... I don't see any report from his Daddy or a Doctor. Must be a mistake. I'm sure if he saw something really harmful, one of those three would have reported it. Wouldn't you?
Joe Paterno: Yeah, well, I guess they didn't. He came here to talk to me about it.
Police Department: Well, why didn't he stop here first, before going to you to fill out a report....
Joe Paterno: Well, um I don't know. Maybe because his daddy and the doctor told him to talk to me.
Police Department: Well, did you witness the event?
Joe Paterno: No.
Police Department: Well he needs to call us immediately so we can get the information first hand from the source. How old is this person that witnessed this alleged event?
Joe Paterno: Well, he is a grown man. He is twenty-five I think.
Police Department: Twenty-five???, and he didn't know or think to contact us? Instead he went to you? Why would he do that? Are you sure he saw something really serious take place?
Joe Paterno: Well, he seemed really upset.....
So if the events unfolded as above, would anything be different??....
Which part, MM describing what he thought he heard or MM describing what he actually saw? Prosecutors have mixed these two reports of what MM told people, his father and Dr. Dranov, the very night of the incident only moments after he left the building. Dr. Dranov says that MM was only upset by what he heard, not what he saw, and when repeatedly asked IN RELATION TO THE CALLING OF POLICE if he had actually witnessed a sexual assault he reported that he had not and immediately went back to what he "heard" and that he was convinced what he heard was of a sexual nature. Hearing something that you "think" is sexual in nature is not WITNESSING sexual assault.
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How about you answer my question and stop avoiding/deflecting:
If your contention is true, that he expected Joe/admins to notify the police so they could come talk to him, why didn't he ever ask Schultz why no one from UPPD came to get his statement and why didn't he express any dissatisfaction or say MORE needed to be done to Joe/Tim when they followed up with him a few weeks later??
To me the answer for why MM never filed a report with police is simple...MM wasn't really sure what JS and the kid were doing b/c he couldn't really see anything (privates, hands, etc.), only heard some sounds then saw JS next to a kid in the shower and it weirded him out (rightfully so). However this wasn't enough for me to actually file a written statement with UPPD because he wasn't sure so he treated it as an HR matter inappropriate shower and that exactly how it was handled by EVERYONE MM spoke to.
Your turn...
GTACSA said:
So you are saying it's not cool to truncate a quote? Then why do you do it all the time?
I typed it as it would have happened in 2001. Unlike you I will not superimpose information from a later date on to what they knew at the time.
Your concern is that Joe and the football program is shown in a bad light. His concern is the truth.
He could just as easily be referring to what MM described as what he "heard" during the event as what he "saw"! Paterno's statement makes no distinction between what MM said in regards to what he heard versus what he saw - they are all just generalizations about the events. For instance, if he told Paterno the same thing he told Dranov but with even less specificity - e.g., I didn't see much, but I heard noises that made me very concerned it was inappropriate and of a sexual nature.... This would be PERFECTLY consistent with Patenro's "I don't know what it was"....."I don't know how to describe what he claimed it was"......"he didn't really say what it was"........but "he did seem to think it was inappropriate and of a sexual nature".... They would be perfectly consistent with what both Paterno and Dranov had to say AND they would be PERFECTLY CONSISTENT with filing no report with police! Hearing something that concerns you or you think sounds "sexual in nature" is NOT EYEWITNESSING SOMETHING.
Yes this is Joe Paterno and I am calling to report aural sex.
Do you mean oral sex?
No aural sex. Someone told me he heard something inappropriate. It was a sexual nature.
"Heard"? "sexual nature"?...what are you saying? A sexual nature?...like rabbits? Or Bambi?
I don't know what it was or what you would call it. It may have been fondling except the guy who told me about it didn't hear hands or penises. He doesn't listen down there.
GTA is a special kind of lawyer. He apparently likes when his witnesses provide contradictory statements before even being cross examined. He would love them to provide details about their conversations with the AG's office, which is what Paterno would have done.
Everybody knows, that nobody in a million years calls the police about something that somebody else might have seen two days prior, particularly if that somebody is somebody with baggage. Nobody. Not GTA, not CDW, not CR, and not JVP. Nobody. If you do this, you get ignored, laughed at, ridiculed, or all of the above. You also worried about getting sued, or worse.
If this happened tomorrow to GTA, there is no way he ridicules himself by calling the police. No way. And he knows it.
If this happened tomorrow to GTA, there is no way he ridicules himself by calling the police. No way. And he knows it.
I find it amusing that GTA used to claim Joe should have been charged with perjury because he testified he never heard any rumors. Now, he thinks he'd make the perfect witness.
Perhaps you mean "It was of a sexual nature? I'm not exactly sure what it was."
Not only that, but JVP was getting indicted "any day now", way back when. Plus, lots of other "bad stuff" was soon to be revealed.
Yeah, sure. GTA is nothing more than a hired gun piece of shit, or a BOT-related piece of shit. I have flushed away better pieces of shit than him every day this week.
And the follow question was asking Joe about inappropriate conduct not sexual activity. If Joe was making it clear that it was of a sexual nature, no way does the next question not reference sexual nature.
So I told — I didn’t go any further than that except I knew Mike was upset and I knew some kind of inappropriate action was being taken by Jerry Sandusky with a youngster.
Q: Did Mike McQueary tell you where he had seen this inappropriate conduct take place?
He may not have been associated with Penn State in 2011 but he left in 2006 and as it was reported he was a Penn State football and Joe Paterno fan. It is doubtful that he didn't read the Freeh Report as we all did as he had more than a cursory interest in it when it was released. Also Erickson was in the same department he was Dean. It is doubtful he didn't read it before he accepted the Presidency.
