Latest indicator of $ challenge in NCAA sports

[gymdad]

Another dominoe falls on the path of change in NCAA sports programs. 5 conferences petition NCAA for a number of changes including required minimum # of programs offered.

noteworthy statement:
“Among the financial challenges being faced include significant decreases in state appropriations, substantial losses in endowment value, and a downturn in philanthropic activity,'' the commissioners wrote. "An already trying environment for enrollment is expected to see even more sizeable reductions, not to mention the continuing trend in deep reductions in the enrollment of international students. Finally, all of this is playing out with no ability to predict when normal operations might resume.''

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ncaa-relax-division-requirements?platform=amp

 

[FineMaterial]

This could be a dark time for wrestling. If/when the choice comes down to cutting women's sports or cutting a man's sport that doesn't pay for itself, it will be too easy to cut wrestling.

 

[Dogwelder]

This could be a dark time for wrestling. If/when the choice comes down to cutting women's sports or cutting a man's sport that doesn't pay for itself, it will be too easy to cut wrestling.

Dark time for wrestling. Winter for Poland and France.

 

[nerfstate]

 

[ClarkstonMark]

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the only danger to college wrestling, and all other non-revenue sports, is football/basketball losing tv money

 

[FineMaterial]

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No.
1.no tv money= no landscape to rule
2.still in lockdown: Nobody, including wealthy schools, will flush money down the toilet on sports. (=no landscspe to rule)

 

[Media Fan]

Title 9.
You can lose as much money as you want, get some more, and lose that. And nobody says boo.
The most ridiculous title 9 story I ever read was about the University of Iowa’s women’s crew team. They had an insane number of scholarships - to meet the quota, that you can’t call a quota- and needless to say had limited IF ANY income that didn’t come from some form of subsidy.

 

[manatree]

Title 9.
You can lose as much money as you want, get some more, and lose that. And nobody says boo.
The most ridiculous title 9 story I ever read was about the University of Iowa’s women’s crew team. They had an insane number of scholarships - to meet the quota, that you can’t call a quota- and needless to say had limited IF ANY income that didn’t come from some form of subsidy.

Iowa isn’t allowed to give out any more rowing scholarships that any other school.

 

[PAHURDLER]

Iowa isn’t allowed to give out any more rowing scholarships that any other school.

Slush fund.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Title 9.
You can lose as much money as you want, get some more, and lose that. And nobody says boo.
The most ridiculous title 9 story I ever read was about the University of Iowa’s women’s crew team. They had an insane number of scholarships - to meet the quota, that you can’t call a quota- and needless to say had limited IF ANY income that didn’t come from some form of subsidy.

Iowa isn’t allowed to give out any more rowing scholarships that any other school.

I've never given any thought to rowing so I did a little Googling...

Women's rowing is a sanctioned NCAA sport with a cap of 20 scholarships per program. There are 88 D1 women's rowing teams.

Men's rowing is not a NCAA sport and has 35 D1 teams. If you want an athletic scholarship for men's rowing, the answer is basically: "good luck".

 

[amalone]

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[gymdad]

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Haven’t read the article. But this except is silent re men’s / women’s for those sports where a college may have teams for each gender. I. E. Basketball/soccer/gymnastic teams. Including all teams including women’s gives a different ranking of teams with greatest $ loss.

 

[Dogwelder]

Haven’t read the article. But this except is silent re men’s / women’s for those sports where a college may have teams for each gender. I. E. Basketball/soccer/gymnastic teams. Including all teams including women’s gives a different ranking of teams with greatest $ loss.

Good point. Assuming baseball is a men-only sport, then baseball’s cost ranking cannot get better; it can only stay the same or get worse after any adjustments. (I also did not read anything beyond the table.)

 

[Media Fan]

Iowa isn’t allowed to give out any more rowing scholarships that any other school.

Thank you, I knew that.
I pointed out Iowa, which the last time I looked did not have the biggest reputation in the sport- you can correct me if I am incorrect.
Just looked up the latest roster and I found that the University of Iowa had 64 listed on its women’s crew team. Next thing I will get is that no. of scholarships available for that sport.

 

[Media Fan]

Women’s crew is a sanctioned ncaa sport. Men’s is not.
20 scholarship limit for women, with an apparent 39 full and partial scholarships.

I would suggest one way to protect men’s wrestling is to open a women’s team with something like 20 scholarships.
Don’t know which sport, wrestling or crew is the most 3 pensive to run.
Over and out.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Women’s crew is a sanctioned ncaa sport. Men’s is not.
20 scholarship limit for women, with an apparent 39 full and partial scholarships.

I would suggest one way to protect men’s wrestling is to open a women’s team with something like 20 scholarships.
Don’t know which sport, wrestling or crew is the most 3 pensive to run.
Over and out.

Or exempt football from the Title IX calculations (not happening, but I can dream). Creating marginal sports with 20 scholarships shouldn't be the answer. I apologize to all the women's rowing fans out there.

 

[manatree]

Or exempt football from the Title IX calculations (not happening, but I can dream). Creating marginal sports with 20 scholarships shouldn't be the answer. I apologize to all the women's rowing fans out there.

Why not reduce the number of scholarships for football.

 

[PSUer1989]

As a woman, I get angry at the Title IX argument

Why not reduce the number of scholarships for football.

That is the most obvious way, and very workable. It may also spread out the talent such that the playoffs are a little less predictable.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Why not reduce the number of scholarships for football.

As I understand it participation numbers, not scholarship numbers, are what matters for Title IX compliance, so reducing the number of players on the football team, not the number of ships would be needed. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

 

[nittinsc]

Title IX Basics:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions

 

[Cali_Nittany]

As I understand it participation numbers, not scholarship numbers, are what matters for Title IX compliance, so reducing the number of players on the football team, not the number of ships would be needed. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

It's both participation (proportionate to enrollment) and scholarships. Another interesting trend is that the gender gap has reversed significantly through the years and overall college enrollment is now 56% women.

 

[manatree]

It's both participation (proportionate to enrollment) and scholarships. Another interesting trend is that the gender gap has reversed significantly through the years and overall college enrollment is now 56% women.

It's also support. So every time the so called money sports of men's basketball & football builds a Taj Mahal practice facility, adds another superfluous staff position, etc. the school also has to provide similar support to their women's teams. If you've ever been to a DI basketball game in recent years, the staff on and around the bench equal or outnumber players.