So anyone hearing anything? I think Worthyone is full of shit, so looking for a different source of info.
latest Suriano news
- Thread starter dunkej01
- Start date
Tom Savage could not be reached for comment.
I also have to agree. Based on previous posts, he is hitless in 3 or 4 at bats. Hopefully with this, his average starts to climb.
Dude, he's legit... he works at what-a-blast Laser tag, and he saw that Nick had signed up for the full year pass. Apparently Cael told Nick's parents that he could only rejoin the team if he tried to have more f**.
Lyons212 said
"Free agency is not a good thing. How would Rutgers have liked it if last year Cael decides Jimmy is not his guy at 141 for a national championship run and entices Ashnault to come to PSU".[/QUOTE]
took the words out of my mouth. I doubt that FoxRU would be making this argument
"Free agency is not a good thing. How would Rutgers have liked it if last year Cael decides Jimmy is not his guy at 141 for a national championship run and entices Ashnault to come to PSU".[/QUOTE]
took the words out of my mouth. I doubt that FoxRU would be making this argument
Nice deflection. Like I said, I want a free market. That goes for all schools including RU. So, should the BIG put a year restriction on coaches moving within conference? Per your posters it will help the small schools avoid coaches getting poached by more powerful schools, right? No lawsuits would follow there, right? I have heard that Urban Meyer asks (no contractual obligation here) for a two year commitment from assistant coaches who are adults but a 17 year old student is expected to make a 4 year commitment. It doesn't seem right to me.
In your example, 1 person is a paid professional negotiating terms regarding a job. The other person is a student who participates in a sport at the amateur level. Big difference.
We are already paying students to participate in sports -- it's called athletic scholarship for a student athlete. Pay them any more than that, then it is called a paycheck for an employee who happens to also be a student. Slippery slope, and unfair to all the other kids who go to school for (gasp) education.
Rutgers is free to leave the B1G anytime it wants. Guarantee you that no one would fight it.
"everyone else besides the student athlete has one"? not so... many companies have non-compete clauses... this is kind of the same thing. " You can go there, but you cannot be a thorn in our side for at least a year". i am not nearly as uniquely talented as Nick is, but I have one...
took the words out of my mouth. I doubt that FoxRU would be making this argument[/QUOTE]
He could try and guess how friends of Jimmy his parents, his HS coaches, HS coaches in general,the wrestling community in PA, etc...would react. The repercussions would not be good for Cael, PSU or the program. And, guess what, Ashnault may enjoy being at RU like most athletes at most schools enjoy being where they are at. You want rules in place to avoid worst case scenarios and that assume the worst motivations of students when the rules should be in place to promote the best interests of the student. Instead they protect the interests of the schools and coaches, which should be a factor, but not at this great a price to the student.
and at the end of the day there would be a lot of disruption with studies as athletes are 'fired' similar to coaches and have to figure out where to go next.
Agreed. That was the best comparison I could think of as well. But, even that is negotiated by the individual company rather than by a collective of companies or the government. And,why doesn't the BIG apply the rule to coaches or AD's as well?
Until student-athletes are classified as employees (which you can argue for but they are currently not), comparing them to coaches is pointless. You are comparing apples and oranges. BIG does limit coaches changing jobs when NCAA violations have occurred (Tressel) but can't/haven't stopped coaches otherwise. Had such rules exited, both RU and MD would not have their current head football coach.
This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Your hypothetical is different than reality.
IF Cael signed a contract that included a provision that he would have to sit out a year if he left Penn State and he, in fact, left Penn State to coach another B1G program, he would have to sit out a year. I'm assuming that this restriction would be non-negotiable and a B1G rule for the sake of argument. He is free to not take the job based upon that non-negotiable point but if he takes the job, he sits out a year.
Nothing unfair about this hypo at all.
I agree with most on this topic. Due to the fact that my kid want to play sports at one school and study at another school. Rules are rules we tried getting around them, but in the end rules are rules.
Even in club sports, my kid was U-12 at an event, the U16 keeper got in an accident ,but our kid could not step in to play. Rules. Because a kid can not play up 2 age divisions. A kid can not fill in for another club during tourneys as well. If people read the rules it is cut and dry.
Even in club sports, my kid was U-12 at an event, the U16 keeper got in an accident ,but our kid could not step in to play. Rules. Because a kid can not play up 2 age divisions. A kid can not fill in for another club during tourneys as well. If people read the rules it is cut and dry.
Dude complains about Iceland, and now we get policy debate at RU-board quality! Careful what you wish for, I guess. 
Last edited:
Perhaps because coaches and AD's can be fired at will. While student-athletes may ride the pine, when in your memory has a scholarship student-athlete been kicked off the team if not for violations of team rules.
This is a distorted view of a free market. The athlete's market is perfectly free during the recruitment period. Then comes the contracted portion.
Cell phone provider standard contracts specify an early termination fee if you choose to leave early. Likewise, all coaches have a buyout clause. What is the buyout equivalent for a student athlete, that they can give back to the school if they choose to not live up to their full commitment?
I think we are punishing the athletes by making the go to class. Also they should have the freedom to move between teams within the school year. And pick their weights the day of a match.
Freedom!!!!!
Sarcasm off.
Freedom!!!!!
Sarcasm off.
Yup, I have a non-compete too. I am also not supposed to be posting on BWI while at work
Very eloquent. Much more eloquent than my "What a load of crap" argument.
I don't know ... maybe they could or should. All o know is that the "everyone else has a free market" is bull. In fact, most coaches have an anti-free-market buy out clause.
I honestly am tired of athletes - pro or college - or anyone else for that matter - walking out on a contract or agreement because it is "unfair". Then don't sign it! Or live with whatever the consequences are of leaving - lost money, lost opportunity. Players know when they accept big signing bonuses, or scholarships, that leaving has consequences. They also know that the other side may be able to terminate it, with or without penalty depending on the situation. our former D coordinator seems to be case in point... left without paying back the money. If any wrestler doesn't like the BIG transfer rule for any reason, they should go wrestle somewhere else. Own your choices.
Hell - I am pissed that students take out student loans and then are surprised that they have to pay them back ... or that there is interest .... I know ... Get off te lawn is coming next ...
That is a silly example. Rutgers best player couldn't get on Ohio State's football team.
Under your rule this would be Chris Ash's first year of coaching, or does your rule apply only to Head Coaches.
Lets all boycott the NFL when the head man there does not a thing to these guys not standing for our national anthem...What in heck is our county coming to. I can tell you we keep going like we are it will not matter where any kid goes to wrestle cause all hell will break out.
Pray for your county and get over this dam small stuff.
Pray for your county and get over this dam small stuff.
I recall FoxRU advocating for free transfer of student athletes way before the Suriano saga started....said no one ever.
Didn't they just let RU in to have an even number of schools after they decided to let Maryland in? Its it too late to trade them in and ask Iowa State to join?
Don't even joke about it! Do you know how nice it is for me to be able to see B1G wrestling without having to drive 3+ hours each way?
the only reason I have been given that makes any sense to bring in RU was the cable licensing money we get from NY/NJ.
Also some of the most entertainment I got from the RU board of late was their back and forth about RIDER. we got sPitt and they got rider to kick around.
Not that the drive from Mt. Tabor to State College stops me. Although I did turn around from a match with Wisconsin a few years ago because of pea soup fog.
Although I did turn around from a match with Wisconsin a few years ago because of pea soup fog. 
You want a free market. Emphasis is YOU. Ask baseball how they liked the free market when the Yankees could buy the best team year after year. You're incredibly naive if you think the free market would work in the NCAA. Comparing coaches and athletes is like comparing apples and oranges. The student can transfer at anytime. They know the rules going in. Teams like Rutgers would have athletes get poached for better opportunities elsewhere. It's way to easy for a power team to simply fill a hole. Furthermore, there is no free market anywhere.
You really do not understand you are not offering an apple to compare to an orange to make your point, do you?
Yep, Cael and Penn State just negotiated a new contract that took effect at the conclusion of his previous contract. Cael could have left to coach Rutgers or Iowa without any questions. Cael had already fulfilled his contractual obligations to Penn State and was free to move elsewhere if he desired. If Cael decided at the conclusion of this season that he wanted to coach Rutgers, or Iowa or Oklahoma State then whatever type of buyout is in his current contract (if any) he would be contractually obligated to satisfy prior to leaving.
Prior to selecting a school Nick was free to negotiate his scholarship compensation with any wrestling program offering assistance . Once agreement was reached and a LOI was signed Nick became obligated. He can leave, just as Cael may, but each is required to meet their agreed upon separation obligations.
Whatever restrictions the NCAA or the Big10 puts upon a student-athlete's ability to move back and forth between schools is a different subject than whether a coach without a signed contract can pick up and leave. You are using non related subject material while attempting to make a point in a subject area that is not really similar. Please try harder to do better..
Makes you sound like...When something doesn't go well for a very small few and think new rules should be made or established rules should be forgotten for them. What percent hasn't the B10 rule worked for anyhow? Anyone that has managed groups of people know how much of a slippery slope precedents can be.
No not for this thread but neither was all stuff about iceland etc.
If you don't think letting them rich pro football players getting away with not standing for national anthem then I would say you are some of the problem. Makes me wonder can't trust media anymore believe me will be big time war soon if we don't get untied. There will be nothing left. Really this NS stuff is small stuff. He wanted out and is his or dads fault did not know the rules. So is simple he can leave and sit out a year or stay. No sense in all this talk when really none of us know for sure what is the cause.
Similar threads
