Let's talk about Corley

[NittanyLionRoar]

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

 

[doctornick]

How much impact does the coach have in the receivers actually catching the ball? That seems to be the bigger issue, not routes or blocking, etc.

Perhaps we could blame the off pass interference penalties on him though.

 

[PSU Soupy]

I thought that there was improvement today.

Tough catches for 6 by Polk and #3. Drop by Polk, Holland and Johnson.

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

Franklin frequently overspins his coaching-search Rolodex.

 

[Berkstater]

The pass interference was VEEEERY questionable and balls through hands have nothing to do with coaches OR QBs

 

[mcgunns]

WR coach isn't gonna somehow teach kids to drop the ball.
I do wonder about these absurd PI penalties we keep seeing where the receiver is blatantly blocking instead of rubbing

 

[PSURDM1987]

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

Corley is an excellent coach and highly respected in the coaching community. Remember Hamilton’s drop against Pitt a couple of years ago or Charles problems. Was that Gattis?

 

[CDLionFL]

Still beating this drum from the game thread, I see. The coaches can shoot 100 balls per practice out of the JUGGS gun at these guys and that's not going to help when it gets to gametime. You either have it or you don't. I remember Bryant Johnson having some of the worst hands when he first started at PSU but he blossomed into an NFL receiver. For the most part, our receiving corps may have experience as far as games played but the amount of attempts they've had don't compute because the Big 3 got most of the looks last year. A lot of it is simple concentration. JJ seemed to have hands last year at Iowa, didn't he? Who knows what's going on in his head now.

But maybe you should go to practice sometime and watch how he works with the WRs and report back to us, k?

 

[YorkCoLion]

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

Wow, you have been banging this drum all day. I guess the whiners need to find a new target for this year.

Corley delendus est!

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

So the way this is being spun is that the WR coach has absolutely no impact on these drops or PI? Then what does the WR coach do, exactly?

 

[Lion8286]

So the way this is being spun is that the WR coach has absolutely no impact on these drops or PI? Then what does the WR coach do, exactly?

smh. lost cause.

 

[HazletonLion]

Gattis went to Alabama primarily to recruit, Corley is considered a great recruiter as well. I do think that maybe Gattis felt slighted by not being named OC as well.
It's also possible that the best WR's we have , haven't caught a pass yet.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

smh. lost cause.

All you’ve said all day is that the WR coach doesn’t catch the balls. How is that any kind of intelligent football analysis? I would love to know whether or not Corley can coach these guys up or not. So far the answer I’ve gotten is that it’s not his fault that WRs drop balls and WR coaches don’t really do anything...

That can’t possibly be correct.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Post the names of the true freshmen wr recruits recruited by Corley then explain just what you are talking about.

 

[PSU.:.]

Trace has been scrambling alot looking for open receivers so it's not just the drops.
Wr is by far the weakest unit on offense right now.

 

[djr4rebs]

The problem with the OPI calls is we are drawing them up this way and getting caught.

 

[mcgunns]

So the way this is being spun is that the WR coach has absolutely no impact on these drops or PI? Then what does the WR coach do, exactly?

recruiting is their most important role
that said gattis seemed like an incredible coach with how good all of the WRs were at really little things like disguising that a ball was coming

 

[spoog48]

Wasn't he actually hired as rb coach and then switched to wr when a seider was hired?

 

[BarkleyPSU1]

The problem with the OPI calls is we are drawing them up this way and getting caught.

Exactly.. refs have started to call OPI on the “pick” play this year. Hasn’t benefitted us but I don’t really have a problem with it. Need to switch those plays so that no collision occurs, would probably get big gains anyway

 

[Pocono Lion]

The problem with the OPI calls is we are drawing them up this way and getting caught.

I was going to ask about that. I can’t remember the last time we had OPI called on us and now it’s happened two successive weeks. Is it the design of the play or is it poor execution? If it’s the design, why design a route that has a good chance of being flagged for OPI? If so, that’s on Rahne.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

The pass interference was VEEEERY questionable and balls through hands have nothing to do with coaches OR QBs

With all due respect, it was an obvious penalty and an easy call. A wide receiver simply can’t run directly into a defensive player without making at least some effort to avoid the collision.

 

[artsandletters]

Exactly.. refs have started to call OPI on the “pick” play this year. Hasn’t benefitted us but I don’t really have a problem with it. Need to switch those plays so that no collision occurs, would probably get big gains anyway

Seems to me the guy doing the pick could just fake ithe pick and still give the receiver an extra step.

The OP is stuck on the drops and two OPIs called. No one will move him off it. His mind is made up.

 

[interrobang]

Corley was only at Army for a year after he wasn't retained on Randy Edsell's new staff at UConn

 

[marshall23]

I think we should name a coach each week and dismiss them by popular vote. In ancient Sparta, I believe it was called Ostracism. Yes, I like it.....every week coaching for their jobs!
I don't know what Pry is still doing here after giving up 28 points to Appy State in Game one. Galiano, or what ever his name is needs to go, I mean two onsides kicks successful against us already. Seider must go, because Slade has fumbled twice. Grover is on the watch list after week one, but gets a reprieve after yesterday.
By the way, did you know Galt's son is on the performance enhancement staff? You know how we feel about father-son stuff here!
Franklin hired all these stiffs......he's one loss from the hot seat.

 

[jbenedict]

The pass interference was VEEEERY questionable and balls through hands have nothing to do with coaches OR QBs

I wonder if the comments made by Nardouchie the prior week has caused ref's to spotlight JJ? That's the second call on him this year and I believe both resulted in a TD being erased.

 

[marshall23]

I wonder if the comments made by Nardouchie the prior week has caused ref's to spotlight JJ? That's the second call on him this year and I believe both resulted in a TD being erased.

I think 87 PF was called for an illegal "pick." It had nothing to do with JJ.

 

[PSURDM1987]

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

Corley was a college QB. Coached WR at 3 different schools. Also has coached rbs and QBs in college. Good man, good coach.

 

[ejb25]

Remember when Gesicki dropped everything. Was that the coaches fault. Our coaches recognize it’s an issue and will fix it.

 

[cjrugger]

Never underestimate this boards ability to find something to complain about

 

[tboyer]

You're missing most of Corley's resume. In fact most of his career was at William and Mary under Jimmye Laycock -- a phenomenal coach considered one of the nation's gurus of the passing game. Corley was a very successful QB as a player for Laycock and then joined the staff and coached QBs and receivers. So make no mistake, Corley knows the passing game, that is a blue chip resume.

Going from there to Army was a really good move I thought because it exposed him to a totally different (run-oriented) offensive system. And Army hired him no doubt because they wanted to learn the passing game from him.

Of course Josh Gattis is a terrific coach -- that's why he's co-offensive coordinator at Alabama. Losing Gattis is a big deal.

But Corley was a great hire and he'll be highly successful. Franklin talks about how he has a list of coaches he'd like to work with, so when there's an opening at PSU he knows who to call. Corley was on that list.

The PSU receiver play is going to be different yhis year largely because the receivers are different -- mainly it's a more speed and quickness skill set with less size. It's going to be a lot less 50-50 balls because there's no Godwin or Blacknall or Gesicki.to go up for them. But the tradeoff is crazy speed and quickness.

Hamler reminds me of Deon Butler, same kind of intelligence and skill set, but Hamler is a LOT faster than Butler. You want to blame Corley for JJ dropping passes (which, really, you can't), you would have to give him credit for Hamler's success (which also doesn't really tell the story - Hamler would be Hamler no matter who's coaching him)

He is the one questionable hire I've seen CJF make, but he tends to hit home runs with his assistants, so he deserves the trust up front.

Corley was the WR coach at Army, whose team only recorded 20 receptions all year! That doesn't mean he's bad, that's just Army's style, but he certainly didn't walk into Lasch with experience coaching high level receiving talent.

If the receivers aren't as good as last year after losing Hamilton, Gesicki, and Blacknall, okay. But we had Juwan Johnson, DeAndre Thomkins, and Brandon Polk and they didn't drop the ball or get offensive pass interference like this in a game before.

So...have the receivers regressed under Corley, or is this a predictable step backward for which we have to wait and see if he can coach them up?

 

[mcgunns]

Seems to me the guy doing the pick could just fake ithe pick and still give the receiver an extra step.

The OP is stuck on the drops and two OPIs called. No one will move him off it. His mind is made up.

Yeah it's supposed to be subtle like this video. Watch the very bottom receiver:



The PSU boys were basically fully engaging in a block on those penalties. It's really bad.

 

[Roswell-Blue]

Actually, Corley seemed to be the perfect hire for Franklin to make. Choices, timing, and fate.

CJF openly stated he interviewed Corley as a final candidate for the same position when he took the Vanderbilt HC job, but chose Gattis instead. Maybe it was Gattis's seasoning, background, experience, or just intangibles. Who knows? But he went on to say that he followed Corley's career over the years and liked what he saw. After talking to people he admired and respected, when it came time to replace Gattis, things had come full circle and it was now Corley's time. He seems to perfectly fit CJF's "bill" i.e. being able to match his work effort and energy, hungry for success, a history of achievement, a family man, someone who can be trusted with recruiting, a physical presence much like Gattis, owning who you are, etc.

Personally, I also like his Christian "ethic" as he openly embraces it and says "this is who I am". In these jaded and cynical times I think a lot of young athletes can feel and relate to that when it's genuine. Trust. I think the odds are that he'll be more successful than not. By the way, didn't Gattis have like seven years in the CJF milieu to hone his craft?

 

[Nitt1300]

Trust CJF

 

[djr4rebs]

I was going to ask about that. I can’t remember the last time we had OPI called on us and now it’s happened two successive weeks. Is it the design of the play or is it poor execution? If it’s the design, why design a route that has a good chance of being flagged for OPI? If so, that’s on Rahne.

The design is probably 50% of the reason why our WRs were wide ass open on both plays. These plays have really become a focus for referees since Clemson beat Alabama in the title game with one of the final plays being a pick play. The primary reason Clemson was successful with it: they took advantage of Bamas aggressive nature and Bama bump and runned (more like mugged) themselves out of the play leaving Hunter Renfro wide open.

The only fault I see with execution is that our pick route WR could turn for the ball sooner instead of getting into the defender, but even then it seems that this might still get called. This type of aggressive coaching is what has made Saban and Meyer the two best over the past 15 years. In another thread, somebody mentioned Amani holds a lot when covering. Watch the Tide or Bucks defend the pass. If you do it every play, refs let it go because it's consistent. If you play 7-10 yards off the ball, and only rough a guy up as he's blowing by you, easy call every time.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

LOL, yeah it's his fault that the guys that were mostly coached under Gattis are dropping the ball....yikes. This board at times just makes you shake your head. Drops are on the players...on the players....on the players.

 

[Nittanygrad93]

I thought that there was improvement today.

Tough catches for 6 by Polk and #3. Drop by Polk, Holland and Johnson.

Don't forget the drop by Sanders that allowed the pick. At one point I felt like every incompletion went off someone's hands.

BTW, I am not blaming the coach for the drops. I am just pointing out that while some very difficult catches were made, I still saw WAY too many drops on easy targets. That will be a problem against tougher competition.

 

[acg116]

You're missing most of Corley's resume. In fact most of his career was at William and Mary under Jimmye Laycock -- a phenomenal coach considered one of the nation's gurus of the passing game. Corley was a very successful QB as a player for Laycock and then joined the staff and coached QBs and receivers. So make no mistake, Corley knows the passing game, that is a blue chip resume.

Going from there to Army was a really good move I thought because it exposed him to a totally different (run-oriented) offensive system. And Army hired him no doubt because they wanted to learn the passing game from him.

Of course Josh Gattis is a terrific coach -- that's why he's co-offensive coordinator at Alabama. Losing Gattis is a big deal.

But Corley was a great hire and he'll be highly successful. Franklin talks about how he has a list of coaches he'd like to work with, so when there's an opening at PSU he knows who to call. Corley was on that list.

The PSU receiver play is going to be different yhis year largely because the receivers are different -- mainly it's a more speed and quickness skill set with less size. It's going to be a lot less 50-50 balls because there's no Godwin or Blacknall or Gesicki.to go up for them. But the tradeoff is crazy speed and quickness.

Hamler reminds me of Deon Butler, same kind of intelligence and skill set, but Hamler is a LOT faster than Butler. You want to blame Corley for JJ dropping passes (which, really, you can't), you would have to give him credit for Hamler's success (which also doesn't really tell the story - Hamler would be Hamler no matter who's coaching him)

I don’t know that he’s faster than butler. Butler ran sub 4.4 at the combine. Butler didn’t have the open field moves that Hamler has but willing to bet he was faster.

 

[NittanyLionRoar]

You're missing most of Corley's resume. In fact most of his career was at William and Mary under Jimmye Laycock -- a phenomenal coach considered one of the nation's gurus of the passing game. Corley was a very successful QB as a player for Laycock and then joined the staff and coached QBs and receivers. So make no mistake, Corley knows the passing game, that is a blue chip resume.

Going from there to Army was a really good move I thought because it exposed him to a totally different (run-oriented) offensive system. And Army hired him no doubt because they wanted to learn the passing game from him.

Of course Josh Gattis is a terrific coach -- that's why he's co-offensive coordinator at Alabama. Losing Gattis is a big deal.

But Corley was a great hire and he'll be highly successful. Franklin talks about how he has a list of coaches he'd like to work with, so when there's an opening at PSU he knows who to call. Corley was on that list.

The PSU receiver play is going to be different yhis year largely because the receivers are different -- mainly it's a more speed and quickness skill set with less size. It's going to be a lot less 50-50 balls because there's no Godwin or Blacknall or Gesicki.to go up for them. But the tradeoff is crazy speed and quickness.

Hamler reminds me of Deon Butler, same kind of intelligence and skill set, but Hamler is a LOT faster than Butler. You want to blame Corley for JJ dropping passes (which, really, you can't), you would have to give him credit for Hamler's success (which also doesn't really tell the story - Hamler would be Hamler no matter who's coaching him)

THANK YOU. This is the kind of knowledgeable info I was looking for! Not the stupid posts about “Its not the WR coach’s fault because WR coaches don’t do anything anyways.” I want to know if they’re going to get these guys coached up or if we should expect to watch this poor pass catching game all year.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Did any of you notice a change in gloves for this game after the monsoon game with Pitt?

 

[YorkCoLion]

THANK YOU. This is the kind of knowledgeable info I was looking for! Not the stupid posts about “Its not the WR coach’s fault because WR coaches don’t do anything anyways.” I want to know if they’re going to get these guys coached up or if we should expect to watch this poor pass catching game all year.

Your argument basically boils down to "when you tell someone to do something and they then don't do it the way you want, then somehow its the person telling and not the person performing about said actions fault."

Should we get you a logic coach? Or would you just blame him for your own issue as well?