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Wisky up by 3 at the half. Garner 3 for 3 from 3. Had to sit about 6 minutes with 2 fouls. He started at the point.
Careful. You will get a barrage of posts about the great recruiting, their young, better talent than we've ever had, he needs more time...
I'll say it again. I like Chambers as a person. He is a class act and has the right set of values that fit at Penn State. However, he has not won nearly enough to convince me that he is the right guy to turn the program into a winner. I can see why he recruits well. Besides the fact that he has ties in Philly, he is a great person and shows great enthusiasm for Penn State and the game. However, none of that means he is a good coach. The simple truth is that his record should not convince anyone that he is the right guy.
I struggle to see the progress everyone talks about. The team looks athletic but they don't seem to have any BB sense and never seem to find any rhythm. I just see this situation as hopeless. Pat Chambers deserves a lot of credit for getting the Philly kids but I am skeptical that pipeline will expand. I could see it closing just as fast. Wisconsin is running out young talent that seems to have no issue with PSU. Those kids aren't going to regress. Even if our kids improve they won't close the gap. I can see this unit playing together for three more years and turning it into a low seed at large NCAA bid when they are seniors but once they graduate the program falls apart again - at that point Chambers moves on and we are looking at a total rebuild once again. PSU has to be the worst job in the Power 5 conferences.
I posted something similar a few weeks ago. Chambers got some Philly talent to commit to Happy Valley, but he won't continue to get that talent if he doesn't win. Then it's back to square one, which means it's time for a coaching change.
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Well you could have been the pitt's hoops team tonight... talk about beat downs. Now that was an outrage
. What has happened to that program, like the titanic.Wisconsin is starting 4 seniors this year. The team they've got on the court right now is the same squad that they played with last year (they didn't have any seniors that contributed). Take Hayes, Koenig, Brown, and Showalter off the court and you'll see the gap closed quite a bit (especially with everyone on our squad returning next year).
I know we aren't any good but how did that Pitt team embarrass us? How on earth was that team beating us by close to 30 points? That team was beating Maryland at Maryland by 25 points. Pitt lost tonight at home by 55 F'n points. 55!!!!! The Big 10 must truly suck.
NC State lost by over 50 points at the Dean Dome, and then two weeks later, won in Cameron Indoor. It's basketball and crazy stuff happens. Pitt isn't as bad as they looked tonight, and they aren't as good as they looked in beating Virginia a few weeks ago.
Why is it the obvious move to extend the contract? Why not leave it as is? Yes, it sends the message that his future is uncertain (the dreaded hot seat
), but maybe it should be.Regarding the buy-out, how favorable is favorable?
Why is it the obvious move to extend the contract? Why not leave it as is? Yes, it sends the message that his future is uncertain (the dreaded hot seat
Why would you ever send the message to recruits that the future is uncertain? It would be a horrible move. You simply extend him and publicly throw your support behind him, regardless of what the circumstances are behind the scenes. It's pretty much standard operating procedure in a sport like college hoops, as there is really no benefit to letting the contract become an issue.
I didn't see the game, but Wisconsin is the arguably best team in the Big Ten right now. This is similar to the CJF hot seat talk this fall in that anyone who expected this team to make the tournament was insane. Of course, I'm also guilty of "what if" thinking when we put two wins together. The reality is that this team is basically 5 talented young guys (4 Fr and 1 Soph) and a couple of upperclass-men that aren't nearly as talented overall. It would have been great if Chambers had recruited better sooner, but I don't think you can expect a team that is this so reliant on freshmen to regularly beat the top teams in the league. Give these young kids another year and if they aren't improving then you'd have to look at Chambers.
Of course, if you get rid of Chambers, who is going to come here to coach? Is Jeff Capel going to leave his assistant coaching gig at Duke for a program with no real basketball heritage? Is there a mid major coach that would rather be a little fish in the Big Ten pond? Will Bruce Parkhill come out of retirement? Seriously, Penn State basketball is in good shape. We aren't competing for the conference championship yet, but I think it will come on the next two or three years if we get the right pieces to fill in for departing players.
Of course, if you get rid of Chambers, who is going to come here to coach? Is Jeff Capel going to leave his assistant coaching gig at Duke for a program with no real basketball heritage? Is there a mid major coach that would rather be a little fish in the Big Ten pond? Will Bruce Parkhill come out of retirement? Seriously, Penn State basketball is in good shape. We aren't competing for the conference championship yet, but I think it will come on the next two or three years if we get the right pieces to fill in for departing players.
PSU is financially "broke" and has little discretionary funds to afford a real basketball coach.
Does it matter? No.
Basketball is, at best, a profit- neutral sport.
Does it matter? No.
Basketball is, at best, a profit- neutral sport.
No, I get it. As I recall, Curley would not grant DeChellis an extension, which is why he left for Navy. Anyway, that's why I asked the question about the favorable buy-out. Obviously, Penn State could not get themselves boxed in with a contract extension for a coach with a questionable future.
I believe most people don't expect a young team to regularly beat the top teams in the league, but at some point, especially after you've played twenty some games, you expect improvement, you expect to be competitive. The young team excuse is starting to get old. Losing by over 20 points the last 2 games shows you are not even close to be competitive. The team tonight played well the first half, but the effort was not there the second half, and that is on the head coach.
You have to extend him and provide public support. If you don't, you might as well fire him, because the uncertainty will bring to an end any momentum they currently have in recruiting/building the program.
This season was bound to be rough with all the underclassmen asked to take on the biggest roles on the team. If this team isn't an NCAA tourney team in the next 2 years, then it'll be time to move on from Chambers. But in the meantime, you have to support him publicly so that he can keep building.
Any AD in the country - no matter how "good, bad, or middling" they think their coach is.....in any sport - would be happy to "negotiate" a "long-term deal with a favorable (low $) buyout."
With ALL of their coaches.......every damn one of them.....every AD in the country
Why wouldn't they? They would lock up the coach long-term (if things go well)- - - - and yet be able to fire them at the drop of a hat (if things went south)
They would all do that tomorrow ------- if they could.
Even "Screwface" ain't that stupid (probably
)Now.....the problem with that? It takes two to Tango.
What coach worth dick would say "Sure, I'll commit to you long term - with no disincentive or penalty for you to fire me any time you want".
Answer - not a single coach in the country......unless he knew he was about to be fired anyway (and, even then, maybe not).
You just lost all credibility with that statement. They made a little over $8M in profit last year.
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And last year when they weren't seniors they were 22-13, the year before that the team was 36-4 and got to the NC game, the year before that 30-8 and made the final four. They're not dropping back and we won't close the gap.
Not familiar with Penn State's situation, but many, probably most, schools make money from men's basketball. The tournament, even if your team doesn't participate, and the TV money make it profitable.
I'd guess PSU makes a good deal from the MBB program. Look into it for yourself. You'll be pleased.
I'd guess that this season Penn State also has a profitable ice hockey team. (#1 last I looked).
This isn't even remotely close to CJF hot seat talk.. CJF hot seat talk was crazy, the guy was in year 3 and had 2 years of sanctions still to deal with. Chambers is in year 6 and has yet to come up with what I say is a decent season.
Kids mad too many mistakes in the second and got cold while whisky doesn't make mistakes and stayed hot. That's it. Chambers is a good coach. He needs to get his team to
Mature. If they don't finish in the top 5 next year maybe you start looking,but not until then.
Mature. If they don't finish in the top 5 next year maybe you start looking,but not until then.
Top 5?
Top 5 in the country?
Top 5 in the Big Ten?
No way is this team a top 5 in the country next year.
It won't even be top 5 in the Big. Penn State will be a middle of the road bball program for the foreseeable future.
If Happ does go to the draft, then they'll be in for their first rough season in a long time next year. Even with him, they'll likely be more of a middle of the pack B1G team (in terms of talent), and we'll find out how good of a coach they have in Gard.
Hard to win games if you can't put the ball in the hoop. PSU is shooting .408 from the field as a team which puts them at #318 (out of 351). Some teams are able to make up for that with 3-point shooting, but PSU shoots .351 which puts them at #185. There are some talented, athletic kids on this team, but until they work as a team and get better shot selection that talent will be wasted. And that is on the head coach!
Between all members of the coaching staff, someone has to be in charge of offensive development, whether PC or others, this needs work. There are few post ups for guards which could lead to easier shots and more FT, hell there are few post ups for Watkins too. The highest percentage 3 pt shots are on kick out from post ups. Without the post threat D's can stay out of the perimeter and guard the drive or pull up. Basically a four guard offense but never staggers or double for Banks or Garner to get a 3 at the top of the key. Lots to be desired in their half court offense which leads to late shot clock hoists or even early ones just because they dont seem to have a plan.
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