Meyer admits he thought "game was over" at 26-14"
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Not with this coaching staff's track record....
2016-Rose Bowl
2017-Ohio State
2018-Ohio State
Three different squads, same coaching staff...see a pattern!
With our tackling ability and late game stumbles, it's never over.
So you want a different staff or are you still just butt hurt? He very well could be 3-0 in all of those games too. I must have missed you saying this was an undefeated team this year prior to the season....my bad. Tight games versus top 10 teams come down to the little things. Dropped pass by Mac H. If Trace scrambles for the first instead of the illegal forward pass. Sorry, but I'm fine with him as the HC and the direction of the program....you're out of your mind if you think otherwise.
Stop it please...you could make that case for any recent losing trend for a coach with down to the wire defeats...we had victories in hand the last two years and choked them away...stop with excuses...last year it was, the offensive line was young..wait until 2018! Here we are...no better against elite fronts...etc.
JF is the man to lead PSU to the elite level.
I'm not questioning that...but these blind excuses year after year people make is laughable...You CANNOT lose back to back years like this b/c the optics are bad...choking these games away...but as JF said, OSU is elite and we are trying to get there.
They COULD have been 3-0 in those games......shoulda, couda, wouda.
Double digit leads in the 4th quarter in all three of those games with under 10 minutes left....that's a bad pattern.
Sure blame the players....they didn't go for it on 4th and 1 in the third quarter with a pass call, 96 yards with the student section in the osu teams face with the game on the line....the whole world new they were going to throw screens...except our defense coaches, 4th and 5 Lets run up the gut with Sanders when it wasn't working all night.
If you want me to break down the the Rose Bowl and 2017 OSU game too...I can!
They’re not excuses . It’s the nature of the game . The other team is good and they’re actually trying too.
It came down to one play and they didn’t make the play. That’s not on the coach unless Franklin coaches fumbles, illegal forward passes, or dropped passes.
Remember the App St game this year. We had a two TD lead going into the 4th quarter and stumbled badly.
Thankfully, we pulled it out in OT. But I do think this shows our defense has some issues with conditioning, concentration and /or depth. We don’t seem to have any obvious leaders on defense, other than maybe Shareef Miller. There’s also a fair amount of inexperience.
This team needs to have a close game where we pull away from our opponent in the 4th quarter.
MSU would be perfect if we can do it.
Thankfully, we pulled it out in OT. But I do think this shows our defense has some issues with conditioning, concentration and /or depth. We don’t seem to have any obvious leaders on defense, other than maybe Shareef Miller. There’s also a fair amount of inexperience.
This team needs to have a close game where we pull away from our opponent in the 4th quarter.
MSU would be perfect if we can do it.
The 4th adn 5 was a bad guess by an OC and HC who thought they were going to sneak one by tOSU. Again, if you think this staff is doing a bad job, feel free to come out and say it. I love the job they are doing and OSU had had what 4-5 straight top 5 classes....PSU has had 1. Yet he is going toe to toe with tOSU every year now and it is the best game in the B1G every year. Had they won by one point you would be the drunk Philly guy beating your chest the loudest too I imagine. I like the fact that this team is playing at a higher level and recruiting at a higher level year in and year out. This was supposed to be the rebuilding year, but it looks more like a reloading year. 5 senior starters out there...woe is PSU under Franklin.
What excuses, PSU lost to a good team. Honestly the little whiney acts after any loss is overplayed. I didn't see you calling for a 13-0 team this year, buy hey...you can show me that you predicted that if you want. If you can't show me that, it means you didn't think this team was that good to begin with I imagine. I had this team pegged for 9-10 wins and that still seems realistic.
I'll do your homework for you. Here is how the recruiting has gone in recent years.....and it's only been getting better for PSU. So while it stung this weekend, PSU isn't going anywhere. Put your big boy pants on, tip your cap to tOSU and realize you have a HC who wasn't happy with the loss and owned it at the PC.
----------- PSU ---- OSU
2018 ---- 5 ----- 2
2017 ---- 12 ---- 2
2016 ---- 20 ---- 3
2015 ---- 15 ----- 9
OSU 3 top 5 classes and all 4 in the top 10. PSU had 1.
Now if you want a different HC, just say it. If not...you can pretty much stop responding to me. There is no perfect HC out there and even Saban and his fleet of Dodges loses a game each year it seems. Get over it already.
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Maybe, just maybe, Ohio State is still just a little bit better than us.
You can't harp on the close losses without giving credit to the last second wins. Minny 2016, Iowa last year, App St. Its not like this staff cant win close games.
We went from losing to Ohio State 63-14 just a few short years ago, to looking like we belong on the same field, to being their equal.
It's a process. You are looking at a snapshot of 2 games and ignoring the trend line.
Show me the teams that are able to consistently beat Meyer and OSU. You think you just snap your fingers and make it happen. Now that's laughable.
Sorry...I am leaving for my day job right now.....I don't have time to write novels like other people.
What about the wins we pulled out at the end? Do they not count? I guess we never broke Iowa's heart in Iowa? Didn't finish one off against Washington in the Fiesta bowl? Didn't make an amazing comeback against App St? Didn't turn everything around at the last minute in 2016 against Minnesota? Didn't shock the world against Ohio St a couple of games later? Didn't come back to edge out Wisconsin for a B1G title?
No, only the down to the wire defeats count for some reason.
It shouldn’t come down to one play when you’re up two scores with 8 left. There were multiple plays that if any one of them went out way we win. None of them did. They need to learn how to consistently close out games. They’ve had the lead in the 4th in their last 4 losses. That’s not a good statistic.
Sounds like you only have a lot to say while spouting off but when confronted with a reasonable opinion .......
Most pundits had them at 10-2 or with an upset 11-1. They are certainly on that track and yes, with only 5 senior starters back, thats impressive. Its human nature to be frustrated or second guess after a loss like this. Thats what fans do. Can you imagine whats going through JF's mind?
JF has done nothing short of a Herculean effort since his arrival. He will figure it and get the right coaches and players in place.
You know what’s s bad statistic? Losses. Early plays count and help or hurt too. Such as the fumble by Sanders. Drops. The penalty on Trace earlier. They had five or six plays that weren’t made that maybe would have cemented that lead.
But then again it goes for OSU too. Again, they’re trying. The teams they’ve lost to have been quite good. MSU was a very unusual situation, and again there were missed plays.
Exactly...I saw anywhere from 8-10 wins. People were saying he was toast without JoMo, Mike G, Hamilton, and Barkley...yet the O is more than holding their own. The loss absolutely stings, but long term this is the game of the year in the B1G for the foreseeable future. Even the Bucknuts writer Bill Greene stated that....Franklin is doing just ok. He's not perfect and has done things I question, but he's doing a damn good job overall.
Over the years I’ve seen a handful of “ perfect “ games that psu played. I’d say Bama 86, OSU 94, and the fiesta bowl vs Miami.
Games I could see almost zero mistakes without being in the film room.
The people that play the game are human and they won’t be perfect. But if you’re good you’ll have a shot. Penn State has not been blown out or had a relatively big loss point wise since Michigan 2016.
Hell , in 82 vs Bama we lost by 21 for example.
Games I could see almost zero mistakes without being in the film room.
The people that play the game are human and they won’t be perfect. But if you’re good you’ll have a shot. Penn State has not been blown out or had a relatively big loss point wise since Michigan 2016.
Hell , in 82 vs Bama we lost by 21 for example.
You’re saying the same thing I said. I literally said there were multiple plays that if one had gone our way we win. The fumble, the missed fg, the batted ball on 4th and short, the drops. Hamler not getting knocked out cold, miles slipping when he would have had the first down leading to the Fg.
Losing sucks but there is a difference between blowing late leads and getting your doors blown off. It’s a problem James needs to fix. He’s got the team on the precipice.
I'm surprised he was able to remember that.
Agreed. Not the best body language when you are the program's leader. Regardless, his players got it done.
You are correct...but we want to be elite as JF said...and to do that, you have to beat the best, the flagbearer in our league which is OSU....Close games magnify not only how far players have to go, but coaches too...if lose by 10 or 14, then obviously there are ways to go that are obvious, but when you have two score leads in back to back years and find ways to lose, those will always be magnified more....and let's face it, beating Minny and App St shouldn't be our standard.
Right...and how many teams can consistently beat Bama or Clemson....but u know what, sometimes they lose...Who's talking about winning every year...of course not...but plz don't tell me we shouldn't have won on Sat...I think in 2017 they were better with Barrett as a senior and a veteran defense, but this year OSU wasn't polished yet and had 3 guys missing on defense...we choked, bottom line.
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There is no shame in having the lead late in the game against superior opponents. It happens.
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The Good: Developing 4th Quarter leads to begin with against such elite competition.
The Bad: Giving up such 4th Quarter leads
The Ugly: Tackling in the above referenced 4th Quarters...for example, Victor could have been tackled at the point of catch, not by the corner, but by the safety.
Nevertheless, the fact that there have been leads to be lost says more about the state of the program than the undesirable outcomes do.
The Bad: Giving up such 4th Quarter leads
The Ugly: Tackling in the above referenced 4th Quarters...for example, Victor could have been tackled at the point of catch, not by the corner, but by the safety.
Nevertheless, the fact that there have been leads to be lost says more about the state of the program than the undesirable outcomes do.
Honest question
We are missing Bucholz, Bowen, Simmons, and Reid is a shadow of his former self.
And they were missing Bosa and two starters in the secondary...can u imagine how much worse our running game and pass protection would have been with Bosa in there? there is always a flip side to that coin..and sorry, Bowen and Simmons don't win us that game..and Reid shouldn't be playing if he isnt 100%. No Sutherland, no Slade, we played it like an NBA Playoff game shortening our rotation...the staff choked.
