"Of the 11 alleged violations by the Wolverines, six are Level I infractions, the most serious charge the NCAA can assess to a member institution." Michigan has several lame responses: First. "Michigan asserts that NCAA investigators have not proven “any coaches were aware of, much less participated in” Stallions’ sign-stealing scheme." Obvious lie about coaches not being aware. Second. "The university later requested that the NCAA apply “common sense and commitment to fairness” to the case, an approach that would require college sports’ governing body to treat it as a “Level II standard case.” Arguing "common sense" in this case is another way of admitting violations and asking that they ignored. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/co...ign-stealing-investigation-report/ar-AA1y1O5P
Michigan hit with 6 allegations of Level 1 violations for Sign Stealing Cheating
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Yeah, Moore deleted 53 text messages with the sign stealer after the allegations broke but the deleted texts were harmless. I guess they were about their favorite movies.
Based on other lying assistant coaches, they were probably talking about how inspired they were by a replay of "Rudy".
They need to hammer those a-holes. They won't though. Any wonder now why Hairball got the hell out of Dodge so quick ?
Are there any transfers there we might want because I've been saying for months, they are Molotov Cocktail and about to explode and then suddenly implode into a quicksand filled crater. Michigan will soon become that Hot Steaming Pile of Dog Poop everyone has always thought they were. Major sanctions coming. They have actually been doing whjat they did on the cheating for YEARS not year. Also, it seems
Michigan is a repeat offender along with Moore and Hairball. I do not see Moore surviving. I've said that before. Then it seems Central Michigan has spilled their guts and turned states evidence on Michigan. This couldn't be going any worse for them.
But he SAID he was so mad about Stallions jeopardizing Michigan that's why he did it. ROTFALMAO
Hope those pompous bastards get absolutely buried and their illegitimate natty is taken away.
While we're at it, let's hope each of us wins a large lottery and a Super Bowl without a single shot of Taylor Swift.
FC but Brett with the iron gauntlet slap. The BT coaches really despise "innocent Jim". Nary a mention on cult MGoBlog...shocking
I don't think Michigan will feel anything, if I'm being honest. I doubt they face any sort of punishment. The NCAA has no power anymore. Just look at North Carolina basketball. Deny it and fight back and it eventually goes away.
Huh. I could have sworn someone on this board told me there would be zero Level I infractions.
The other interesting thing to point out here is that the response by Michigan was leaked by Michigan. So they think this is the best PR path they have -- and hysterically, it does not make them look good.
I think you are probably misremembering the UNC investigation (i.e. it wasn't just basketball that was implicated in "fake" classes) but UNC was able to show that it was not an athletics issue.
I think Michigan gets hammered because they attempted to cheat ON THE FIELD. That's really different than improper benefits or allowing athletes to take easy courses. And this has been exacerbated by the fact that michigan has not cooperated and is fighting it the entire way.
The coaches all denying this is troubling, but when the University Administration attempts to sweep it under the rug rather than conduct their own investigation and take action to prevent it from happening again, well, that’s another indication of the overall state of higher learning.
CMU as well. You can't have programs colluding to cheat.
I think CMU was more cooperative than UM is being (it was just done pretty privately because it affected this ongoing investigation)
Is water also still wet? Will nothing be done about this ? My guess is yes to both.
Your wish is more likely to happen. Seriously? Who cares anymore ? What would’ve been the most serious violations, paying players or trying to get a player to transfer to your school has been ruled completely legal now.
Stealing signs? Hell they can steal players these days.
This is the B2G. Nothing will happen to cheaters beyond a stern “tisk, tisk, you bad little boys”
Then Mich State will lose five schollies for leaking information. Penn State loses ten because people on their chat boards dare discuss it. And the rest of the league will lose two each….just because,🤬
Then Mich State will lose five schollies for leaking information. Penn State loses ten because people on their chat boards dare discuss it. And the rest of the league will lose two each….just because,🤬
This attitude is the very reason why for decades there has been no real justice in this country, and we were forced to live with a two-tier justice system meaning no justice for the peasants. A two-class system of untouchable Elites and Peasants still exists for now.
Will we lose one of our NCs?
Why are you of the opinion that nothing will be done about this?
If that was the case (i.e. slap on the wrist) wouldn't michigan have negotiated a settlement (e.g. a fine and double secret probation)? The fact that they are threatening to fight this* suggests that the penalties being considered by the NCAA are pretty stiff.
*I say threatening because I strongly think they won't want this to go to a court of law, which opens them up to discovery. Recall, that there was lots of bluster about lawsuits when Harbaugh got suspended just before PSU game and nothing was actually filed.
I would hope the result of this would be that Michigan loses a substantial number of scholarships for three or four years. Michigan built it's team on its cheating and it deserves a really good whack.
Bluster Bluster Grumble Grumble Threaten Threaten.
Michigan doesn't have a leg to stand on because Conman Stallions stole both of theirs. They are nose deep in the manure pit while the bottom assuredly erodes beneath them. I'll just sit quietly back with that smile that surpasses the understanding of some while the expansion wheels slowly do burnouts on Michigan's internal organs. The Death Angel hovers over that program. It won't be like it was for SMU in 1978, but it will be a significant kick in the noots that will take them years to recover from.
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I'm not 100% sure that scholarship reductions mean much anymore. NIL could easily pay for players to make up the difference (based on my understanding; feel free to show me a citation that I'm wrong). It would have to be reductions in roster size, which I wonder if the NCAA is likely to do based on injury concerns.
I think a really good whack would be 3 years (equal to number of years of cheating) post-season ban. That's also long enough that most recruits would likely jump ship (regardless of NIL). And obviously any players currently on the roster can transfer immediately (don't have to wait for next portal window).
The reason I can't stand Michigan or ND. Both have it locked in their heads they're just better than everyone else at everything
That would be something to see. It was onfield cheating so it would seems to warrant real sanctions. The NCAA tried to suspend players for a year for because of the likelihood it can impact results. This level of cheating did impact games and was obvious from the time it started….not that we knew why, but Michigan was suddenly damn good on D.
As to the NC? The NCAA doesn’t award it so…..it would fall on the CFP owners which are the conferences. Good luck.
The league, which constitutes 17 teams that suffered financially and competitively, could tell the cheaters they will not share in any post season revenue sharing for three years. That’s pretty substantial and goes beyond just a ban on postseason ban but still collect revenue from other teams playing them.
The league could send a serious messa…….oh…wait…….sillyme! 😵💫
IMHO, the most appropriate punishment needs to be one that focuses on those that committed and most benefited from the illegal activities. Not those left in the aftermath.
Focusing the punishment on those that were tangentially involved with team or may have not even been on campus when the deeds occurred doesn't seem to me to be a powerful enough deterrent.
Having stated that, I am not certain what or how the punishment needs to be delivered.....
The NCAA could certainly say "We no longer recognize an FBS national champion for 2023 and the record books will reflect that".
If the CFP wants to still call them national champs, I guess they can.
Big Ten can obviously also take action regarding the conference championships (although I'm not sure the NCAA can force them to do so)
Agree. If anything it just continues to question the integrity of the schools athletic department..but they won a Natty...its in the books and thats all they care about..as do I'm sure their Alumni..NCAA is worthless.
Thr school as a whole certainly benefited and not just the athletic department. Hard to put a value on it but look at the thread on branch campuses and the discussion on how stop quality football program benefits the entire school system,
The NCAA and the B2G could fine the school a substantial amount like $50 million or ballpark. Then the school would have the option to sue those involved for both damages and punitive amounts.
Again….I am just being silly and dreaming of what can be.
Yep but don't forget this
Making Sense of Michigan’s Decision to Drop Big Ten Lawsuit
I don't think we know what the B1G and Michigan committed to, in total, in order to get UM to drop their lawsuit against the B1G on this matter back in Nov. of 2023. The B1G knew that UM was going to win the B1G and represent the league in the college football playoffs at that time.
Absolutely, don’t count on the B1G to support any severe Punishment of Michigan.
I'll be surprised if anything significant happens to Michigan.
Disagree. The letter from the Big Ten to Michigan during the 2023 season was SCATHING.
I'm not holding my breath on meaningful sanctions though they are deserved.
It will be interesting as this is the first big issue since the portal and NIL came to be. To me, the only meaningful penalties are
- financial fines
- limited number of scholarship players on the roster for a few years
- Postseason ban for a couple of years
- Fire the HC who was a coordinator at the time
PSU threw a couple of people under the bus and bent over to the NCAA. The BOT assured us that by doing so it would all go away.
Are you saying our BOT took the wrong approach?
