This is the one area where the NCAA still has enforcement teeth. I think the penalties will be significant but won’t include a firing. Not sure they can do that anyway, just issue show-cause letter.
Michigan hit with 6 allegations of Level 1 violations for Sign Stealing Cheating
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here is a pretty good summary of the top three issues in the release, for those that like video cliff notes. BTW, this is a leaked version which is the Michigan side of the argument. We haven't seen the NCAA's version yet.
Hilarious. Particularly Sherrone Moore lie about why he deleted the texts. Another Michigan man in the mold of Jim Harbaugh.
I feel sorry for Western Michigan. They are going to suffer from the heavy sanctions coming their way this summer.
I've been involved in similar things where "honesty" becomes a gray area. Everyone cheats and everyone tries to steal signs. So one has a tendency to shrug your shoulders. It is like spitballs in baseball and Mahomes trying to flop to get calls. Sooner or later you've got to navigate to your own personal north star. In other words, you've got to look yourself in the mirror and say "I am not going to be a part of that". My favorite line is from the movie "The Firm" when the young associate asks the senior partner how far he should bend the rules to get a client a favorable outcome. The response is "Until before it breaks". Of course, you don't know when it is going to break. Einstein said ,"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler".
Of course, hairball will claim he had no idea (despite a video of a low level staffer whispering in his ear during games). They are all guilty but they thought they were just being cute, smart, ahead of the curve. Of course, it would have been nice if tOSU beat UM after the sign stealer was dismissed but you can't have everything.
Did you see the kid run into Coach Day and ask for a selfie? When Day went up to him, the kid yelled "Go Blue" and told day he still lost to UM four times in a row (or whatever).
Could you see the future? Did Joe take the right approach? How did that workout?
PS. You thought it was going to go away too.
Michigan is one big Sargent Schultz…. Yeh right the coaches didn’t know. What in the heck was he it for doing then? Fantasy Football I guess. I can’t wait for the penalties. 3 yr player limit to 95 per yr. Forfeit all Vic’s in 22 and 23. No championships. Shame them. It’s worse then paying recruits!
Paul Finebaum: "Harbaugh is just a disingenuous fraud about all the things he used to say. He didn’t want to face the music. By the way, Michigan didn’t really want him to stay.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/fo...ant-him-to-stay/ar-AA1y5jzH?ocid=BingNewsSerp
No Michigan on BTN for 5 years. None, not their name, no games no anything, just erase them from all the literature.
They will be hit hard as well as all directional Michigans. Go blue will get a strongly worded letter and 7 additional scholarships
Wrong! I never thought that throwing people under the bus and rolling over to the NCAA would making it go away.
IMO they claims made against Nassar at MSU were more serious but the university defended itself and made out much better.
Wrt Joe... He arranged for MM to meet with C&S. I think Joe understood that MN was concerned by what he experienced but I don't think he understood the seriousness of what MM was suggesting. So yes, I think what he did was fine.
I doubt that MM told C&S about sexual assault. Regardless C&S should have documented what MM told them. That's HR 101 and they failed miserably. Of course that doesn't mean they covered things up to protect football. It just means they handled things horribly.
Wait--people still believe real sanctions are coming? Weren't we all told repeatedly that would happen in September?
It’s an observation of reality . What do you expect to happen? Why do you think the NCAA all of a sudden grow a spine and do something? It’s not this attitude it’s what the NCAA does and doesn’t do.
This is pro football now, Michigan will be fined , maybe. Then life goes on. You guys just don’t get it.
This is pro football now, Michigan will be fined , maybe. Then life goes on. You guys just don’t get it.
Because almost every program in the Big 10 has been hounding the NCAA and the Big 10 for penalties. As for the attitude it is a real malaise in attitude that always seems to come up every time someone thinks justice doesn't happen. IMO the NCAA is on the clock and everyone is watching if the screw the pooch on this one they will have zero integrity and no chance at survival because they would be serving no real purpose. Their survival hinges on how they handle the Michigan issue.
Since schools are now allowed to give out 105 scholarships, and considering NIL exists, what do you think a substantial number of "lost" scholarships would be? I don't think scholarship reduction would have any bearing, but reduction of the number of players on the team may be an actual punishment, if that number were severe enough.
It’s very troubling to me that the Michigan University Administration seems to be fighting this instead of conducting their own investigation. Perhaps they have, and consider the incidents insignificant. Regardless it seems at this point, they are condoning or at least minimizing cheating.
Is there any way to contractually specify a 'non compete type clause' so that if a college head football coach who was caught in a major cheating scandal would not be permitted to coach football at any level beyond jr. high for a specified number of years.
If only ethical behavior and sportsmanship were valued more than a win at all cost mentality....
If only ethical behavior and sportsmanship were valued more than a win at all cost mentality....
Even cutting 20 players it won’t make much difference. With the portal they will just play the top guys and then buy more next season.
Ban all post season play. Players want the exposure.
Ban all shared revenue from league post season games. Money talks.
Open the portal so kids currently there don’t get punished for something they had no connection with.
great point. Your post got me thinking that colleges can manage their teams like the NFL does. And that is you bust your butt to find a dozen really good players and just churn the rest. So that means the rosters really end up being 50/60 payers deep. You probably need two deep at every position, 44 players. Then you need four specialists (FG, Punter). Now add in some true frosh and a half dozen injured. That takes you to ~ 60. The rest are just cannon fodder.
Lol good luck with that. This screams you're still mad we agreed to be sanctioned
Or they're players you're developing for those 60 spots the following year. Like Grunk or Luke Reynolds
Make Harbaugh come back, and share the play call with the defense for a year. If they run a different play. 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. They said it didn’t really matter
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Yes, exactly. I do see Central Michigan getting hammered in all this.
As long as Michigan still has its natty this is like closing the barn door after the horse left. I won't get satisfaction until we beat them on the field when both teams are good.
I would, say, limit the number of players whether they are scholarship or portal that can actually play in games. Apparently, teams are allowed 105 scholarship players. I would reduce the amount of players permitted to participate in games to 85 whether they are scholarship players or coming from the transfer portal. .(Parenthetically, I always assumed that transfer portal players receive scholarships in addition to the nil payments. Is my assumption wrong?)
They are all scholarship players.
Limiting them to 85 will have little impact. The NFL uses only 54. And that is an increase over just ten years ago. IIRC, they only had 45 with a small taxi squad.
They would play the best then the next year spend 20 mil just replacing them through the portal.
Having the portal system in place makes cutting scholly numbers meaningless. Just too easy to plug in new players every year.
If 85 isn't good enough, reduce it to 65. There has to be a number that hurts. Shouldn't take that much effort by NCAA or Big ten lawyers to write a provision that would realistically penalized Michigan.
You cut too many you put players health at risk. They will have to play every down. Playing when exhausted dangerous. Play with more bumps and bruises. Come back too soon after injuries.
Risk getting more injuries because they will have to play entire games even in blowouts.
Not gonna happen.
I believe there is a middle ground between reducing the number of players who are eligible to play and putting players at risk. Almost certainly this issue came up during the covid years. Another way of enacting the penalty is reducing the number of coaches. Maybe make him would be required to do without four or five assistant coaches for several years.
At the end of the day the confirmation of cheating and keeping in the forefront is the important things because nobody really cares.
Jump keep reminding Howard, Harbaugh, Moore, etc. that every time they are on camera that you cheated. It is just about personal satisfaction.
Jump keep reminding Howard, Harbaugh, Moore, etc. that every time they are on camera that you cheated. It is just about personal satisfaction.
I like the idea of limiting the # of coaches better but can we trust the cheaters?
What’s to stop them from giving free housing, the keys to a university SUV, free tuition for a couple kids? Hire a spouse?
Cheaters have lots of ways to cheat and the McCheaters are good at it.
Which is meaningless...they don't care
What happened on the field can't be taken away no matter what happens
And then players will sue saying the NCAA is taking away scholarship opportunities and creating an unsafe environment. You're all not being realistic
That's never going to happen
When people create these wild ideas they're just creating a situation to be angry when realistic sanctions happen
