Michigan st !!!!! I'm a fan this weekend
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I actually hope Michigan wins. And then we can both be undefeated when they come to town.
Michigan can't lose too often for me.
...I never want Michigan to win...
...I never want Pitt to win....
... but thas jes my opinion...
...I never want Pitt to win....
... but thas jes my opinion...
I get the anti-Michigan sentiment, but having them come to HV undefeated helps our effort for ultimately getting into the playoffs.
I'm generally in the boat that wants them to lose every game, but at this point I want them to come to HV undefeated. And then lose every game.
That's plain nuts. It helps us exponentially more if we beat an undefeated Michigan. ESPECIALLY since Sparty got smoked at Home by Notre Dame. In fact, Sparty beating Michigan could end up being utterly disastrous to us looking down the road.
I hope Michigan smokes Sparty 100-0. Makes our road to the Playoff a LOT easier.
I wish there was some way we could humiliate and destroy michigan as badly as that, but I don't know how. First of all they'd have to have even less respect for us than they do now, and I don't know if that is possible.
I'll be rooting against Michigan. If we win out, we're in the playoff, whether Michigan was ranked #1 or winless when we beat them.
If UM beats Sparty 100-0 there is a huge roadblock in our road to the playoffs.
If we win 'em all, it won't matter what the heck Michigan does.
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You're right, even if overstating your point. To be perceived a great team in this beauty pageant requires some combination of impressive record and beating teams perceived to be great. Sparty beating Michigan would potentially leave one fewer opportunity... but I'd also be happy with a Michigan loss if it stings like the one captioned above, like Iowa last year, etc.
But based on our current ranking and the perception of UM and tOSU, wins v. one or both will put PSU in good stead, even if each loses a game or two. Our problem last year was 2 losses, with one being one-sided.
EDIT: and I'm with WDLion. If UM beats MSU 100-0, my money is on UM--all of it!
If we beat Michigan and lose to OSU and Michigan beats OSU and assuming we all win the remainder of our games, we would have a 3 way tie for the division lead...who goes to the B1G championship? These are the tiebreaker rules..maybe someone smarter than myself can figure it out. I would think OSU's loss to Oklahoma would knock them out then we would get the nod over Michigan with the head-to-head but I'm not certain.
The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 – East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 – East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw.
But if we lose 1 somewhere along the way, which the chances are we will (aka Washington getting destroyed in November by USC last year), we will need all the help we can get. Right now, thanks to Ohio State's loss to Oklahoma, and Michigan State's loss to Notre Dame, one loss would put us behind pretty much every other potential 1 loss Champion in the Country and Notre Dame.
1.) Alabama 12-1
2.) Clemson 12-1
3.) Oklahoma 12-1 Destroyed Ohio State at Ohio State
4.) Notre Dame 11-1 Destroyed MSU at MSU. Beat Stanford, USC, Miami (Fla).
5.) Penn State 12-1 Best Non Conference win - Pitt.
6.)Washington/Washington State 12-1 Weak Non-Conference. If one ends up undefeated, they jump us if we have one loss.
We may POSSIBLY get in over Notre Dame with an extra data point (Championship Game), but what if that extra data point is NOT Wisconsin? In other words, why risk the possibility of Notre Dame beating us out. Their loss "Georgia" would in all likelyhood, be better than ours. ESPECIALLY if Georgia destroys Florida.
If last year taught you anything, it's that we can expect absolutely NO love.
For this week...........GO MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would come down to #5:
PSU: Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska
OSU: Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois
UM: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue
Clear advantage to Michigan on this as things currently sit.
No it wouldn't. You would only have to go to step 1, and then go head to head.
1.) Step one would knock out Ohio State (Oklahoma and Michigan losses).
2.) Penn State wins head to head with Michigan.
3.) Penn State Divisional Champ
I'm not sure you are applying it correctly. It's the record vs the other teams, not overall record. So if you had a situation where they all finished with 2 losses but Penn State won both games against OSU and UM you would end there. If they are all 1-1 you keep going.
Step 7 is overall winning percentage and would be redundant with Step 1 if Step 1 was overall record.
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I'm actually not so certain Michigan's opponent's would have a better record than ours, but Iowa's loss to MSU last weekend certainly hurt. After looking at this, I have more meaningful games to watch each saturday.
This isn't correct. we would all be 1-1 vs each other so step 1 wouldn't break the tie.
Here is the nightmare...
PSU Beats Michigan and Loses to OSU
Michigan loses 2 in conference 10-2, 7-2 Conference, Beats OSU
PSU Wins out finishes 11-1, 8-1 in Conference
OSU finishes 10-2, 8-1 in conference holds head to head over PSU goes to Big Ten Championship.
OSU Wins Big Ten Championship - Selected, with two losses, over an 11-1 PSU, for the Playoff.
Delaney supports selection of the Big Ten Champion to go to the playoff.
Board Meltdown.
PSU Beats Michigan and Loses to OSU
Michigan loses 2 in conference 10-2, 7-2 Conference, Beats OSU
PSU Wins out finishes 11-1, 8-1 in Conference
OSU finishes 10-2, 8-1 in conference holds head to head over PSU goes to Big Ten Championship.
OSU Wins Big Ten Championship - Selected, with two losses, over an 11-1 PSU, for the Playoff.
Delaney supports selection of the Big Ten Champion to go to the playoff.
Board Meltdown.
Iowa/NW and Nebraska all going 2-0 vs Purdue/Minnesota would help. Odds are Wisconsin beats UM in Madison in late November and renders everything meaningless.
The scenario is not really all that far fetched. UM would need to lose on the road to Wisconsin and rebound to beat the Buckeyes at home. Really hoping that Kinnick magic can knockout OSU in Iowa City.
If we are going to miss the playoff however, I hope that is how it looks.
I can logically see this view....but when I sit down to watch and it comes on the screen I just know I will find myself rooting against Michigan
What about Georgia? Is that who you have Alabama losing to? You might have to put them on your list.But if we lose 1 somewhere along the way, which the chances are we will (aka Washington getting destroyed in November by USC last year), we will need all the help we can get. Right now, thanks to Ohio State's loss to Oklahoma, and Michigan State's loss to Notre Dame, one loss would put us behind pretty much every other potential 1 loss Champion in the Country and Notre Dame.
1.) Alabama 12-1
2.) Clemson 12-1
3.) Oklahoma 12-1 Destroyed Ohio State at Ohio State
4.) Notre Dame 11-1 Destroyed MSU at MSU. Beat Stanford, USC, Miami (Fla).
5.) Penn State 12-1 Best Non Conference win - Pitt.
6.)Washington/Washington State 12-1 Weak Non-Conference. If one ends up undefeated, they jump us if we have one loss.
We may POSSIBLY get in over Notre Dame with an extra data point (Championship Game), but what if that extra data point is NOT Wisconsin? In other words, why risk the possibility of Notre Dame beating us out. Their loss "Georgia" would in all likelyhood, be better than ours. ESPECIALLY if Georgia destroys Florida.
If last year taught you anything, it's that we can expect absolutely NO love.
For this week...........GO MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right, I totally understand the logic of what you’re saying. But sorry, after being screwed by this conference for over 20 years at the expense of designated darlings Michigan and Ohio State – especially Michigan – I reflexively root against the Wolverines every single week. And I’ll continue to do so this week against the Spartans.
Walk us through the scenario where it helps us exponentially.
If we are undefeated it makes no difference what Michigan does.
If we lose to Michigan and beat OSU we likely need Michigan to finish with 2 losses to win the division.
If we lose to OSU and beat Michigan we aren't winning the division or getting into the playoff over OSU unless OSU has 2 conference losses. Helps slightly in this scenario if OSU drops one to Michigan and one to lets say Iowa.
Michigan or Michigan State. That’s like choosing between leprosy or gonorrhea.
Well, I won't be rooting for Michigan, but it would be better for Penn State if Michigan won. Two (hopefully) undefeated top ten teams playing at night is much doors compelling for the rest of the country - and "looks" matter as we found out last year - than a Michigan team that lost to an unranked Sparty and then fell out of the top 10.
Looks weren't the issue last year, 2 losses were. Michigan losing to Iowa didn't hurt OSU getting in.
If we are undefeated, ESPECIALLY if we face someone in the Championship Game other than Wisconsin:
1.) A 1 loss Alabama/Georgia Championship Game winner would trump us.
2.) A 1 loss Clemson as the ACC Champion would trump us.
3.) An undefeated Oklahoma would trump us.
4.) An undefeated Washington/Washington State would probably trump us (not Michigan or Ohio State) because of politics (no one wants to see "Ped State" in the Playoff).
Ohio State and Michigan State getting hammered at home by Oklahoma and Notre Dame has already severely hurt our chances, all things being equal. Beating an undefeated Michigan team that also hammered Florida looks exponentially better on our resume than beating an also-ran Michigan team with their tail between their legs after losing to a team that got taken to the woodshed by Notre Dame.
That scenario is a tinfoil hat pipe dream. We aren’t getting left out if we are undefeated.
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What is "tin foil hat" about that? Are you saying that can't happen? It absolutely COULD happen. Last year proved it. If we would have switched resumes with Ohio State last year, and THEY would have beaten us and won the Conference, they would have absolutely gone to the Playoff.
Guess you're just satisfied with the bride's maid Rose Bowl. Not me. I want to go for all the marbles.
F-ck Michigan State this weekend. Now that they lost to Notre Dame, they are no longer any good to us. They can only hurt us.
OU, WU, and WSU certainly aren’t going undefeated. And, BTW, an undefeated PSU isn’t being left out.
