Michigan st !!!!! I'm a fan this weekend

[KCLion]

What is "tin foil hat" about that? Are you saying that can't happen? It absolutely COULD happen. Last year proved it. If we would have switched resumes with Ohio State last year, and THEY would have beaten us and won the Conference, they would have absolutely gone to the Playoff.

If we had beaten Pitt or Michigan (or even a tight loss to Michigan) last year, OSU and/or Wash would not have been considered. If we had beaten both, we likely would have had the top seed.

Th only “looks test” that Herbie and everyone had to point to was the thumping at Michigan. Even today I saw someone questioning PSU because we were beaten so badly in the trenches in the Michigan game. No one remembers our injury issues at that point in the season.

 

[JosephNit]

Here is the nightmare...
PSU Beats Michigan and Loses to OSU
Michigan loses 2 in conference 10-2, 7-2 Conference, Beats OSU
PSU Wins out finishes 11-1, 8-1 in Conference
OSU finishes 10-2, 8-1 in conference holds head to head over PSU goes to Big Ten Championship.

OSU Wins Big Ten Championship - Selected, with two losses, over an 11-1 PSU, for the Playoff.

Delaney supports selection of the Big Ten Champion to go to the playoff.
Board Meltdown.

Nightmare indeed. And if it were to play out that way on the field, which is not at all farfetched, I've no doubt Herbie and the boys at ESPN would look into the cameras and solemnly intone why the logical choice MUST be Ohio State because of the head-to-head win. Yes, suddenly the head-to-head factor would trump everything.

We'd be told that it would simply make no sense at all to pick Penn State over a team that won its division, its conference, AND beat the Nits to boot. In other words, the exact reverse of the reasoning last year when for some reason winning the division, the conference, AND beating Ohio State was not good enough to get the nod over the Bucks. Hell, it hasn't even happened yet, and I'm melting down.

OK, sorry. Deep breath. Northwestern. Northwestern. Northwestern. Northwestern...

 

[Howie'81]

What is "tin foil hat" about that? Are you saying that can't happen? It absolutely COULD happen. Last year proved it. If we would have switched resumes with Ohio State last year, and THEY would have beaten us and won the Conference, they would have absolutely gone to the Playoff.

Guess you're just satisfied with the bride's maid Rose Bowl. Not me. I want to go for all the marbles.

F-ck Michigan State this weekend. Now that they lost to Notre Dame, they are no longer any good to us. They can only hurt us.

fastlax16 is right. Won't happen.

 

[fastlax16]

What is "tin foil hat" about that? Are you saying that can't happen? It absolutely COULD happen. Last year proved it. If we would have switched resumes with Ohio State last year, and THEY would have beaten us and won the Conference, they would have absolutely gone to the Playoff.

Guess you're just satisfied with the bride's maid Rose Bowl. Not me. I want to go for all the marbles.

F-ck Michigan State this weekend. Now that they lost to Notre Dame, they are no longer any good to us. They can only hurt us.

You're talking about us getting left out if we run the table in favor of 2 1 loss teams plus Washington. That's tin foil hat.

If you want to talk about a scenario where we have one loss, we better sure as hell hope Michigan and OSU have multiple losses, unless you like not even winning the division. How does Michigan finishing with one loss help a one loss Penn State team that loses to Michigan? Michigan lost to Iowa last year and that sure as hell didn't hurt us. It would have been very helpful if OSU could have dropped a second big ten game to someone other than Michigan. Love how everyone takes these hardline black and white viewpoints. There are situations where it helps and hurts us if Michigan has multiple losses. I think the scenarios it helps us are more likely to play out.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

If we had beaten Pitt or Michigan (or even a tight loss to Michigan) last year, OSU and/or Wash would not have been considered. If we had beaten both, we likely would have had the top seed.

Th only “looks test” that Herbie and everyone had to point to was the thumping at Michigan. Even today I saw someone questioning PSU because we were beaten so badly in the trenches in the Michigan game. No one remembers our injury issues at that point in the season.

If Ohio State would have been in the same position we were in last year, and we would have anialated Oklahoma for THEM, you're crazy to think that they wouldn't have STILL gotten the nod over us if they beat us head to head and were Division and Conference Champs.

Michigan State had their chance to help us against Notre Dame. If they would have won, I may have rooted for them based on how well Georgia is now playing. They would have been a BIG help to us. I STILL might have rooted for Michigan, since they did beat Florida who is tied for the SEC East lead with Georgia, and....... ......I have to admit... I would selfishly absolutely LOVE to see us destroy their season in person. : ^ )

 

[KCLion]

If Ohio State would have been in the same position we were in last year, and we would have anialated Oklahoma for THEM, you're crazy to think that they wouldn't have STILL gotten the nod over us if they beat us head to head and were Division and Conference Champs.

Has nothing to do with what I posted. I'm not comparing years, I'm just telling you our problem was getting thumped by Michigan last year. Had Michigan pounded Osu by 40 points instead of the way they did, PSU would have been in. We had to overcome two losses to pass Herbies "eye test", one of them being a thumping. Not right or fair, but it is what it is. (Or was what it was)

 

[BUFFALO LION]

You're talking about us getting left out if we run the table in favor of 2 1 loss teams plus Washington. That's tin foil hat.

If you want to talk about a scenario where we have one loss, we better sure as hell hope Michigan and OSU have multiple losses, unless you like not even winning the division. How does Michigan finishing with one loss help a one loss Penn State team that loses to Michigan? Michigan lost to Iowa last year and that sure as hell didn't hurt us. It would have been very helpful if OSU could have dropped a second big ten game to someone other than Michigan. Love how everyone takes these hardline black and white viewpoints. There are situations where it helps and hurts us if Michigan has multiple losses. I think the scenarios it helps us are more likely to play out.

After what happened last year, if you think we would be selected over a 1 loss Alabama/Georgia or Clemson if they are SEC and ACC Conference Champs, I have some nice green property on the moon to sell you. Their resumes will make ours look like absolute crap if Michigan ends up sucking. And thanks to Ohio State screwing us, Oklahoma will trump us, everything else being equal, for the rest of the year.

If last year taught you anything, politics will not be on our side if we are up against an undefeated Washington/Washington State. ESPECIALLY if USC and Stanford boot stomp Notre Dame. The Committee will want a PAC 12 Champ in the Rose Bowl semifinal.

Enjoy the Peach Bowl against some also-ran.

 

[fastlax16]

After what happened last year, if you think we would be selected over a 1 loss Alabama/Georgia or Clemson if they are SEC and ACC Conference Champs, I have some nice green property on the moon to sell you. Their resumes will make ours look like absolute crap if Michigan ends up sucking. And thanks to Ohio State screwing us, Oklahoma will trump us, everything else being equal, for the rest of the year.

If last year taught you anything, politics will not be on our side if we are up against an undefeated Washington/Washington State. ESPECIALLY if USC and Stanford boot stomp Notre Dame. The Committee will want a PAC 12 Champ in the Rose Bowl semifinal.

Enjoy the Peach Bowl against some also-ran.

A 1 loss OSU was seeded higher than an undefeated pac-12 champ last year. I'm not concerned about an undefeated big ten champ being left out for either Washington school.

So what are your contingencies if we drop a game to OSU or UM? How do we make the Big Ten Championship game? Right now you're only worried about us getting f*d if we go undefeated.

 

[Langmuir]

I think the records of UM and OSU are irrelevant. The only way PSU gets to the playoffs is to go undefeated with a Big10 championship. If PSU loses one game, they are out. period. In that case there will be a ton of excuses as to why PSU should not go...eye test, body of work...etc.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

A 1 loss OSU was seeded higher than an undefeated pac-12 champ last year. I'm not concerned about an undefeated big ten champ being left out for either Washington school.

So what are your contingencies if we drop a game to OSU or UM? How do we make the Big Ten Championship game? Right now you're only worried about us getting f*d if we go undefeated.

Thanks for proving my point. But let me help you out somewhat.

Washington wasn't undefeated. They got boot stomped at Home by USC. But they WERE Conference Champs and seeded lower than an Ohio State team that couldn't even win their Division. So the fact that a one loss Clemson and one loss Alabama/Georgia as Conference Champs would trump us, if we were undefeated, you apparently agree with based on your 2016 Ohio State scenario. Once again. Thank you!

As for your one loss scenario, Michigan losing at Wisconsin if we beat them does not hurt us. In fact it helps us in the long run if we play Wisconsin in the Championship Game. That only leaves Ohio State to contend with.

If we beat OSU head to head and slip up somewhere else, who cares. Beating Ohio State at Home, an undefeated Michigan team that boot stomped Michigan State, and an undefeated Wisconsin team in the Championship Game would trump any one loss Pac 12 team or Notre Dame.

If we lose to Ohio State, you are right. we need them to slip up two more times along the way because we would have lost the head to head. And if they DO slip up two more times along the way, and one of those losses are to Michigan, we need Michigan to be perceived as strong a team as possible since Oklahoma was able to do something relatively easy that we weren't (beat Ohio State in the Horseshoe).

But the subject of this thread is Michigan/Michigan State. Not Ohio State. Looking long term, Playoff big picture, we need Michigan to win this weekend. Preferably win BIG!!!!!!

 

[fastlax16]

As for your one loss scenario, Michigan losing at Wisconsin if we beat them does not hurt us. In fact it helps us in the long run if we play Wisconsin in the Championship Game. That only leaves Ohio State to contend with.

Thanks for proving my point. But let me help you out somewhat.

Washington wasn't undefeated. They got boot stomped at Home by USC. But they WERE Conference Champs and seeded lower than an Ohio State team that couldn't even win their Division. So the fact that a one loss Clemson and one loss Alabama/Georgia as Conference Champs would trump us, if we were undefeated, you apparently agree with based on your 2016 Ohio State scenario. Once again. Thank you!
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If we beat OSU head to head and slip up somewhere else, who cares. Beating Ohio State at Home, an undefeated Michigan team that boot stomped Michigan State, and an undefeated Wisconsin team in the Championship Game would trump any one loss Pac 12 team or Notre Dame.

If we lose to Ohio State, you are right. we need them to slip up two more times along the way because we would have lost the head to head. And if they DO slip up two more times along the way, and one of those losses are to Michigan, we need Michigan to be perceived as strong a team as possible since Oklahoma was able to do something relatively easy that we weren't (beat Ohio State in the Horseshoe).

But the subject of this thread is Michigan/Michigan State. Not Ohio State. Looking long term, Playoff big picture, we need Michigan to win this weekend. Preferably win BIG!!!!!!

You are correct I misspoke regarding washingtons record. As for everything else, you're paranoid.

You also contradict yourself here saying we are going to get left out in favor of an undefeated pac 12 champ even if we are undefeated because of politics but somehow those same politics won't come into play if we are 1 loss big ten champ being compared to a 1 loss pac 12 champ. Makes no sense.

In the scenario you play out UM likely finishes with 3 losses (us, osu and uw) so it won't be viewed as a great win by the time the committee is deciding things anyway. The alternative is that OSU finishes with 3 losses (us, ok, um) is thus is also not viewed as a great win per your logic

 

[BUFFALO LION]

You are correct I misspoke regarding washingtons record. As for everything else, you're paranoid.

You also contradict yourself here saying we are going to get left out in favor of an undefeated pac 12 champ even if we are undefeated because of politics but somehow those same politics won't come into play if we are 1 loss big ten champ being compared to a 1 loss pac 12 champ. Makes no sense.

In the scenario you play out UM likely finishes with 3 losses (us, osu and uw) so it won't be viewed as a great win by the time the committee is deciding things anyway. The alternative is that OSU finishes with 3 losses (us, ok, um) is thus is also not viewed as a great win per your logic

Stick to the subject. MICHIGAN!!!!!

If Michigan wins, and hopefully wins BIG on Saturday, that will help neutralize Michigan State's slam down put on them by Notre Dame. Notre Dame has to play USC and Stanford. If either or both of those teams beat Notre Dame, the Pac 12 was able to do something that one of the best teams in the Big Ten (if MSU beats Michigan) wasn't. Read my lips. That is not good for us.

I think we both agree that we want Michigan to beat Ohio State if they lose to us and Wisconsin.

 

[KCLion]

Forget it fastlax16, its like having a discussion with BODE.