The third loss was 37-33 to Michigan State in Mel Tucker's first season, when presumably UM wouldn't have had a chance to learn his signals yet (MSU also had a great running back, so that helped).
Michigan's response: nice league you've got there...shame if something happened to it
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I get it, but I also think our guys have a good bit of motivation as well, after last year’s embarrassment.
True...but you're always looking for an emotional edge and happy to take one when it presents itself.
Here's their QB after the Purdue game:
>>We were already super close as a unit, but with more stuff coming in — the hate and noise and all that other stuff — we just think of it as ‘Us Against the World’ every single day,. We’re just trying to focus on getting better every single day so we can prove them all wrong.<<
As I said, I'd love for Michigan to face the music...but I'd prefer for Harbaugh to be on the sidelines this Saturday. I think it might be a bigger distraction for the Wolverines for him to be there rather than playing the martyr back in Ann Arbor.
WTF is wrong with you? Why do people always have to bring their politics into a thread?
More astounding is the fact Hairball was 34-16 in Conference play during his first 6 years and 18-0 during the last 2 years of his 8 year tenure. That's a pretty dramatic difference - a 68% In-Conference winning percentage his first 6 years and 100% since Cheater-boy stole most of his opponents playbooks and accompanying signals???
I’m not excusing Michigan in this but let me ask you a question. Would OSU having signs (supposedly legally) make their games the equivalent of having 12 men on the field as well.
Very little mention of the cheating in recruiting during COVID. Granted, it was a punishment of having to sit in the living room while three cupcakes were being served in the dining room. But the bigger issue is that cheating appears to be systemic to the program and could be ample reason to hammer them. Yet they won't
Sometimes our eyes see what they want to see...but early season, backup QB Tuttle was in the game and he scrambled towards the sideline. Got pushed out of bounds and took an awkward fall and he actually seemed to hit a camera stand. Huge delay...refs looking into a late hit...medics on the scene. I'm pretty sure they threw a super late flag for unnecessary roughness or something.
Tuttle heads back to UM's sidelines after a few minutes...and the next time we see him on camera, he's laughing hysterically with teammates.
I'm about 95% sure it was all an act. Reading the body language...the situation of the game (late blowout in the big house)...and then the frat antics after the fact (plus, no actual injury, despite the drama)...
Fits Michigan's MO. We're better than everyone else and rules/morality don't apply to us.
Tuttle heads back to UM's sidelines after a few minutes...and the next time we see him on camera, he's laughing hysterically with teammates.
I'm about 95% sure it was all an act. Reading the body language...the situation of the game (late blowout in the big house)...and then the frat antics after the fact (plus, no actual injury, despite the drama)...
Fits Michigan's MO. We're better than everyone else and rules/morality don't apply to us.
Michigan is a substantial member of the Big ten but it's membership is not necessary to the success of the Big ten. With usc, UCLA, Oregon and Washington coming in as well as Ohio State and Penn State in the league, if Michigan were to leave it would be barely noticed. Personally, I would be happy to open the door and give them a kick in the rear end and let them go to whoever would take them.Michigan's media waterboy, Dan Wetzel, naturally obtained the school's response (link below) yesterday to the commissioner's inquiry, and it basically threatens to burn down the whole league if any sanctions are imposed this week.
Elsewhere I read that the university has enlisted the services of legal heavyweight firm Williams and Connolly. The Wolvies are ready to go to war.
Petitti is in a hopelessly no-win situation now. It's hard to see how he can back down at this late hour without losing all credibility. Therefore, I think he'll move today to suspend Harbaugh for two games. This is little more than a gesture -- it's not like such a thing by itself would hurt Michigan -- but the symbolism and the message it sends are important.
Any other program in the league (except maybe Ohio State) would have been squashed like a bug by now. Is Michigan bigger than the entire conference? We're going to find out.
Michigan objects to 'premature' Big Ten discipline on sign-stealing scandal, says it'd 'exceed commissioner's authority' - Yahoo Sports
In its response to the conference, Michigan claims the Big Ten is acting prematurely and that the NCAA has not yet been able to provide significant evidence.sports.yahoo.com
Will never happen. There is too much money for everyone for that to happen. At the very least, all of the teams in the B1G before the expansion are permanent members.
If there's too much money, then a good deal of Michigan's threats are baseless. If Michigan really wants to leave and doesn't want to subject itself to the same rules that apply to everyone else, there is no substantial damage to the Big 10. Let them go.
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It's easy to talk $hit after beating perennial doormat Purdue.
Fuc# your politics! We're on the eve of the PSU vs UM game douchebag!!
Why doesn't the UM BOT throw their football program under the bus. I thought that's how it's done.
If Michigan has no "legal path", then why hasn't the Big Ten issued a punishment? We heard it was coming on Monday. Then on Wednesday. Then, today Thursday.
If the Big Ten is delayed until the NCAA concludes their investigation, that is all Michigan seeks.
So, if it was Ohio State in this scenario would you be foolish enough to think the Big Ten should kick them out?
If Ohio state was acting like the twat that Michigan is confirming that it is, I wouldn't be offended or surprised if the Big ten would open its door to Ohio State and say if you don't like the way we do things you can leave. I don't think the Big ten needs both Ohio State and Michigan although I believe it needs one of them.
Michigan will never leave the B1G. It is too established there and the money is too good. They are lawyered up. Let the muddying of the waters and the BS begin.
I doubt that they would leave. Wouldn't be that big of a deal if they did -- if they want to make threats.
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The big ten grew exponentially over the decade and a half+ between Michigan conference championships. It’s not like the conference was in dire straits until 2021.
They’re not going anywhere but let’s not act like the conference would crumble, especially given who is joining next season. Any individual institution is less valuable, not more starting in 2024.
Michigan doesn't have to be winning titles to be a cash cow
Pretending any of Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, USC or even Washington/Oregon leaving wouldn't be detrimental to the league is false.
It might not matter to Penn State fans. It would matter a LOT to CBS, NBC & Fox.
It should matter to Penn State fans as it cost us money
Too many people here are tired of being the third team in the conference so they want to run off a competitor IMO
There's no sane individual that wouldn't want Michigan in their conference. $$$$
That western bloc of schools are too powerful to allow the nonsense of the past to occur. No more dbags like O’Neill and company running rampant essentially fixing games for UM and OSU. No more catering to only midwest interests. Our admission into this conference set it on a path to become nationally relevant opening the doors to allow it to expand out west. Before PSU the conference was looked at as being old school inferior football that got it rear kicked in almost every Rose Bowl. UM itself has rarely competed nationally, just look at their awful bowl record! We brought life to the conference, but the conference failed at creating a real eastern bloc, stopping at Butgers and Maryland when it should have continued adding schools down the east coast. These 4 PAC schools have enough power, money, and influence to ensure the conference supports all its members instead of just two schools. Like you said, now one school cannot hold that much power or value.
Any program seems fungible after a few years of adjustment.
This argument about UM’s crucial importance to the league reminds me of that argument that goes something like “the NFL needs a good Cowboys team” or the “NBA is better when the Celtics are good”. Bullshit. If the Celtics suck for decades, some other team takes their place in the public’s imagination.
It doesn’t cost any of us any money. How much of it hits your bank account?
How many teams that get lower conference payouts than Penn State have made the playoff? quite a few.
And every penny matters. College football is a big business used to support all other sports. Stop playing stupid.
Michigan is good for the Big Ten and Penn State. Just like Penn State is good for all of the Big Ten including Michigan. Reality.
If every penny matters schools like Clemson, Cinci and TCU wouldn’t have playoff appearances. I don’t care about funding fencing, feel free to feel differently.
This is pointless because Michigan isn’t leaving. They couldn’t bear to have a season end without OSU.
What are you talking about playoff appearances? It's about the TV Contract which is everything in college football. It's all about money. Nothing else.
To those who argue that Pettiti will be overwhelmed by Michigan's influence and great power and great lawyers. Here is his background. Harvard law grad. Chief operating officer of MLB. The idea that he could be intimidated by Michigan is laughable. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...n&cvid=e59a906edf974696a7954406050aefee&ei=13
Also, if Michigan uses Williams & Connolly as its law firm, Williams is good but nowhere near invincible. It defended Elizabeth Holmes in the Theranos/fraud trial and she was convicted on 4 serious counts. Of course, the Big Ten will have its choice of very good firms.
Also, if Michigan uses Williams & Connolly as its law firm, Williams is good but nowhere near invincible. It defended Elizabeth Holmes in the Theranos/fraud trial and she was convicted on 4 serious counts. Of course, the Big Ten will have its choice of very good firms.
And the article says that it was likely that he was disappointed by MLB's weak response. In any event, it is clear that the Big ten commissioner is not going to be overwhelmed in dealing with this matter
He already seems overwhelmed. Notice the time of announcement being less than 24 hours before the game. We'll see what he has to say and then we'll see if he's overwhelmed or not.
Would love to see some sanctions and UM get their panties in a bunch over it. USC is an upgrade replacement for the cheaters. Hope they take their football somewhere else - the B10 would still thrive without them.
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