If Jaggers has you held hostage, blink twice
The parallels to Mack Brown when he was UTs football coach are instructive. Mack Brown could only win due to overwhelming talent and won his only NC with an otherworldly performance from Vince Young who was never really coached. Ryan won during our punt year. He had a team with Stieber, NATO, Bo Jordan and Snyder and barely scraped over 100 points, then couldn’t win with teams containing nato, both Jordans, Snyder, Myles Martin and Joey McKenna.
These are probably his one-starter classes:
With 9.9 scholarships, there are going to be a few years when the money is not available, a spot in the line-up is not available or the talent is lacking for the lineup needs. Get a few of those lining up in the same season and Cael isn't handing out many offers.
And while I know Buckeye fans are going to get all bent out of shape about this thread, they say far, far worse about Franklin.
The extended scramble between Max Dean and Martin when Dean upset the heavily favored Martin showed his limitations and also illustrated why Nickal generally handled him. Bo would get in a flurry with him and Martin would be lost
Ryan is a much better recruiter of top wrestling talent than Franklin is of top end football talent.
That's kind of dumb about NATO and Martin. Sort of like saying that Nageo and Truax both regressed at PSU.
i think this is a lazy and oft repeated assessment.
If you take away Cael, Ryan has several NCAA team championships, Ohio State would probably be the best program over the last 10 to 15 years.
Agreed, though IMO the blip for Martin was his freshman year, where his half completely blew up. As the 11 seed, he beat the 6 plus three unseeded guys before the finals. The 2 and 3 seeds both lost their openers.
Or Ryan is a better recruiter of highly ranked wrestlers while Carl finds and develops talented guys who are not ranked as highly.
Yeah, but in all fairness Bo Jordan would have been a multi-timer if he just hadn’t been dealt that hand …
Nobody actually thinks Ryan is a better recruiter. Don't get me wrong, he's obviously a good/great recruiter, but he's also forced to be an accumulator due to his guys not living up to expectations. Due to Cael's higher hit/success rate, he doesn't have to accumulate to the point Ryan does, which is ultimately reflected in the recruiting rankings.
LOL A chance,how many years has he been there?if he was the football coach he would have been gone long ago!!
Cael philosophy is so far ahead of others in recruiting. Granted none can boast his accomplishments. Take Nick Lee and Chad Red for example, many if not a majority of coaches would have taken Red but Cael would rather have a guy fall short with the right attributes and the mindset to keep developing.
IIRC Red recruited Cael hard. Cael was interested and active, but simultaneously recruiting Nick Lee.
Actually Red came after Penn State pretty hard. He attended multiple PSU clinics/camps, was very adamant he was going to PSU and it was pretty much assumed he was coming to PSU.
No retraction. I still say that NATO and Martin did not regress throughout their careers, but maintained a high level of excellence. Same goes for Kyle Snyder and Logan Stieber. Luke Pletcher and Kollin Moore (both 2020 national champs, ha) improved pretty much every year throughout their careers. Jesse Mendez sure improved from his freshman to sophomore season. The broad, sweeping statements about Tan Tom and anOSU are rather ill-conceived.
I was so happy that cael chose nick. What a great wrestler he fit in with our program perfectly. Wish Joe would have planned out or Matt
