More from Bruce Heim
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Surprised he is actually being that open in writing about his recollections of how things were handled. I am sure many lawyers are reading this and taking notes. I do like the fact that he is now standing up for Joe. Whether that is stop the barrage of attacks on him or he really feels that way only he knows....
"the numerous investigative bodies who spent years looking for evidence of misconduct in the organization related to Jerry Sandusky’s crimes and found none"
Other than the PA OAG, who are these "numerous investigative bodies"? Is he referring to the FBI. DPW, CC CYS, or someone else?
The idea that the people in charge of The Second Mile are blameless is complete BS. These kids were in their care. IT WAS THEIR JOB TO ENSURE THE KIDS' SAFETY.
Heim and Raykovtiz allowed Sandusky to engage in behavior (one-on-one contact) that is prohibited by every responsible child-serving organization. Even if they didn't know Sandusky was a pedophile, they screwed up.
He has a hell of a lot of nerve.
If Heim can see how Paterno was railroaded by the administration, why can't Barron and the bot?
Keep this guy talking. He admits the executive committee knew and still circumvented established policies to protect the children.
Heim seems to have one blind eye, recognizing that Paterno was railroaded, but not seeing the failures of TSM.
Barron and the legacy BOT are willfully blind. They choose not to see nor even look.
Great response by @berkland4:
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Too little, too late, Mr. Heim. You've had 4 years to speak publicly in support of Joe and Penn State but you didn't. The simple fact that people at large still believe that no one at Penn State reported anything to anyone regarding activity in the locker rooms is evidence of that. Why is Tim Curley facing indictment for not reporting what you and others at TSM chose not to repor?. He wasn't given any more information than were you! Conspiracy of silence indeed.
Allowing an adult volunteer to have unfettered, individual access to at risk children served by a youth charity is wrong! Certainly I was educated about such practices as a girl scout volunteer in the early 2000's. It would be pretty awesome if, instead of defending your actions, you acknowledged that you dropped the ball by allowing such practices, so that others in your position as youth charity volunteers learn from these mistakes. That is the VERY LEAST you can do.
I'm glad that Penn State rescinded the offer to have you at the coin toss last week. Until the truth is known, no one who is in any way affiliated with this debacle deserves to be the subject of any honors at Beaver Stadium. This has everything to do with YOU and not the honorable men and women who have served our military.
Too little, too late, Mr. Heim. You've had 4 years to speak publicly in support of Joe and Penn State but you didn't. The simple fact that people at large still believe that no one at Penn State reported anything to anyone regarding activity in the locker rooms is evidence of that. Why is Tim Curley facing indictment for not reporting what you and others at TSM chose not to repor?. He wasn't given any more information than were you! Conspiracy of silence indeed.
Allowing an adult volunteer to have unfettered, individual access to at risk children served by a youth charity is wrong! Certainly I was educated about such practices as a girl scout volunteer in the early 2000's. It would be pretty awesome if, instead of defending your actions, you acknowledged that you dropped the ball by allowing such practices, so that others in your position as youth charity volunteers learn from these mistakes. That is the VERY LEAST you can do.
I'm glad that Penn State rescinded the offer to have you at the coin toss last week. Until the truth is known, no one who is in any way affiliated with this debacle deserves to be the subject of any honors at Beaver Stadium. This has everything to do with YOU and not the honorable men and women who have served our military.
It was a well written piece. Just curious how much he paid the PR firm to write it.
With regard to his service during Vietnam - thank you. But, I am pretty sure that Penn State could have found someone else of his generation that served in Vietnam, and could have represented that generation.
With regard to his comments regarding Joe-where was he when Joe needed him? Where was he when WE ALL needed TRUE leadership and governance? When the chips were down, he was nowhere to be found. When the university, especially the football team, was besieged and under attack - where was Bruce? Where were any of them? The ONLY ones who stood up for the program were Mauti, Zordich (vocally) and a few others behind the scenes. In the face of a great attack, the only ones who stood tall were two who had the lessons taught by the old coach to their fathers, and then onto them.
Bruce was nowhere.
I personally thank you for your service to the United States, Mr. Heim. In whatever capacity you were involved. You are the last generation to be drafted into military service, and you followed through without running north to Canada. I respect you for that.
But, that does grant you any special exemptions with respect to the issues of the second mile, Jerry Sandusky's actions, the PSU Board of Trustees INACTIONS. None whatsoever.
So, unless you are ready to stand up tall, and face those that have besieged this football program and this University, I simply ask you to sit down, shut up and let others take charge.
With regard to his service during Vietnam - thank you. But, I am pretty sure that Penn State could have found someone else of his generation that served in Vietnam, and could have represented that generation.
With regard to his comments regarding Joe-where was he when Joe needed him? Where was he when WE ALL needed TRUE leadership and governance? When the chips were down, he was nowhere to be found. When the university, especially the football team, was besieged and under attack - where was Bruce? Where were any of them? The ONLY ones who stood up for the program were Mauti, Zordich (vocally) and a few others behind the scenes. In the face of a great attack, the only ones who stood tall were two who had the lessons taught by the old coach to their fathers, and then onto them.
Bruce was nowhere.
I personally thank you for your service to the United States, Mr. Heim. In whatever capacity you were involved. You are the last generation to be drafted into military service, and you followed through without running north to Canada. I respect you for that.
But, that does grant you any special exemptions with respect to the issues of the second mile, Jerry Sandusky's actions, the PSU Board of Trustees INACTIONS. None whatsoever.
So, unless you are ready to stand up tall, and face those that have besieged this football program and this University, I simply ask you to sit down, shut up and let others take charge.
It sounds like the file purge and destroy project at TSM was a resounding success. Is this editorial a part of what they refer to in the Soviet Union as "rehabilitation"?
I have a problem with people who expect that their military service can be lifetime excuse for whatever they brought home with them and/or whatever bad things result from their actions/inactions.
That's a disservice to those veterans that did not bring problems home with them and do not get into trouble with the law, etc.
Lots of child-serving organizations allow one-on-one contact with children. I will agree that it is certainly a practice that is wrought with peril, but it certainly is not rare. Big Brothers/Big Sisters, therapists, many mentor programs...... It happens often.
While I applaud Mr. Heim for setting the record straight, he is a few years late. Perhaps his explanation will be very helpful in extinguishing what is still smoldering away like a Centralia mine fire.
Unfortunately, had Mr. Heim stood up back in November 2011 it would have been very helpful in turning the narrative once Linda Kelly, John Surma and friends sparked that shitstorm.
Personally, I would prefer to hear from Dr. Jack Raykovitz - mandated reporter and licensed professional at the charity - as to why he did not implement a written safety plan in 1998, let alone 2001. I would also like to know why Dr. Raykovitz did not insist on proper protocol and paperwork was in place when accessing, engaging, and interacting with Second Mile clients.
All.The.Time.Every.Time.
Will Mr. Heim stand up to Louis Freeh and demand that he return to campus to defend that piece of garbage, support Dr. Spanier and the Alumni Trustees in their efforts, excoriate the corrupt conduct of the Office of Attorney General in this, demand that the bogus charges on Messrs. Curley, Schultz & Spanier be dropped, demand open hearings into Second Mile, CYS and the failures of our child welfare system in this and insist that the University HONOR JOE now - and do without an asterisk?
In my dreams, I see former Trustee Frazier placing a full page ad in the NYT apologizing to the Paterno Family, the Lettermen, the 4 University Principals he torched, the larger PSU community - but you know what, this OpEd from Mr. Heim published in major outlets, like NYT, WSJ, WaPo, etc would be just as beneficial.
Unfortunately, had Mr. Heim stood up back in November 2011 it would have been very helpful in turning the narrative once Linda Kelly, John Surma and friends sparked that shitstorm.
Personally, I would prefer to hear from Dr. Jack Raykovitz - mandated reporter and licensed professional at the charity - as to why he did not implement a written safety plan in 1998, let alone 2001. I would also like to know why Dr. Raykovitz did not insist on proper protocol and paperwork was in place when accessing, engaging, and interacting with Second Mile clients.
All.The.Time.Every.Time.
Will Mr. Heim stand up to Louis Freeh and demand that he return to campus to defend that piece of garbage, support Dr. Spanier and the Alumni Trustees in their efforts, excoriate the corrupt conduct of the Office of Attorney General in this, demand that the bogus charges on Messrs. Curley, Schultz & Spanier be dropped, demand open hearings into Second Mile, CYS and the failures of our child welfare system in this and insist that the University HONOR JOE now - and do without an asterisk?
In my dreams, I see former Trustee Frazier placing a full page ad in the NYT apologizing to the Paterno Family, the Lettermen, the 4 University Principals he torched, the larger PSU community - but you know what, this OpEd from Mr. Heim published in major outlets, like NYT, WSJ, WaPo, etc would be just as beneficial.
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He said last week that FIVE regulatory commissions investigated the 2M THOROUGHLY and found no wrong doing. Mr. Heim....name one! Do you honestly think we are that stupid? Mr. Heim, why was there a shredder truck at the 2m the day after Sandusky was arrested? Why Mr. Heim did you allow Sandusky to bring kids to the pool at the Hilton Garden Hotel? You sir are part of the problem not the solution....I appreciate your service to the country but that does not make you above the law...you have contributed to ruining a lot of lives and there is no way you can convince me that you didn't know of the money laundering that was going on at the 2M that so many of your cronies benefited from....4 yrs ago you chose to let the man who really built the university burn, just to save a few sorry asses who are liars and cheats. So you never really learned anything from JVP did you!
So TSM didn't know about grooming and warning signs of pedophilia????????
Well this whole ordeal certainly went south on him. He went from "going to be honored" to "destroyed reputation" real fast. He was rather nameless in this mess except by the people who really researched it, and now he admitted that he led part of the cover up. Whoops.
"Nothing to hide? Who directed the shredding of all those 2nd Mle documents....BEFORE any so-called investigation was carried out? Kinda' hard to claim an investigation is "thorough", AFTER the documentary evidence is piled up in the shredder truck.
Nothing to hide? Who carried out these "thorough investigations"....Lynn Abraham? (sorry, thats a LOL-inducing contention).
Nothing to hide? Why did the "good leaders" at PSU - and their controllers - squander $100 million of our money to extract an agreement from the "victims" to NOT pursue cases against the 2nd Mile - and against the "leaders" of the 2nd Mile (and yes, that includes you personally)?
Nothing "dishonors" the military more than Veterans who use their service record as a smokescreen to shield them from accountability for their actions.
NO ONE ("a small vocal group of conspiracy theorists"? LOL) who objected to your honorarium at the PSU football game objected because of your service record.
They - and I - objected because NO ONE associated with any of the agencies that used the distraction of pointing the finger at some corrupt "football culture"....in order to escape from their own accountability.....should even be considered for such an honorarium.
Those agencies include not only the 2nd Mile, but also the numerous state agencies with responsibility to oversee such groups, the Corbett-led OAG, and the prosecutorial offices within the Commonwealth.
Now that you have, apparently, awakened from your 4 year nap - you can stick 100 flag pins on your lapel......you can backdrop yourself with a dozen American flags.....but none of that is to the point.
Next?"
"These insights begin with one simple truism: Nobody that I know had any inkling that Jerry might be a pedophile.
It never occurred as a possibility until the release of the 2011 Grand Jury presentment"
I'm sorry but I do not believe you are telling me the truth
It never occurred as a possibility until the release of the 2011 Grand Jury presentment"
I'm sorry but I do not believe you are telling me the truth
If Heim isn't lying....Seems like Jim Clemente was spot on in his report...Jerry fooled everyone
I wish he would have been man enough to speak up years ago. He has been sitting back while PSU burns to the ground
The PA papers have been full of articles about the lack of investigatory followup by CYS. Which was it in the TSM situation?
Under manned/lack of resources?
Indifferent bureaucrat employees who are reluctant to leave their cubicles?
Employees and supervisors who are afraid to rock the boat and avoid confrontation and follow through in the legal system?
Did he mention the shredding trucks, by any chance?
"complaints raised by a small but vocal group ...
... dishonored not only the group that I was invited to represent, but dishonored me personally."
I don't always try to ingratiate myself to groups I've estranged
But when I do, I minimize & insult them first
... dishonored not only the group that I was invited to represent, but dishonored me personally."
I don't always try to ingratiate myself to groups I've estranged
But when I do, I minimize & insult them first
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Must've slipped his mind (another innocent mistake).
I can't believe he said that given what he said about 2008 in the very same article.
"complaints raised by a small but vocal group ...
... dishonored not only the group that I was invited to represent, but dishonored me personally."
I don't always try to ingratiate myself to groups I've estranged
But when I do, I minimize & insult them
we keep hearing that "small but vocal group" . . . who have managed to remove everyone associated with this scandal who is held accountable to the voting public. Including the Governor.
I see it as "directionally correct", and in line with the Paterno report in the sense that pedophiles are experts at fooling others. If he is to be believed at his word, he was fooled like many.
I'll go back to what I always say. The idea that one man, let alone 4, knowingly harbored a pedophile for the name of football is preposterous. Mistakes were made, I get that, but the premise of "knowingly enabling..." needs to be deconstructed. I think his letter takes a step in that direction.
Having said that though, more consideration needed to be given to his role in the Sandusky matter prior to inviting him out there. Imagine if some wingnut hater like Dan Bernstein got a hold of it......
And yes, of course, he's 4 years late. Better late than never, and kudos to those that made it happen.
I'll go back to what I always say. The idea that one man, let alone 4, knowingly harbored a pedophile for the name of football is preposterous. Mistakes were made, I get that, but the premise of "knowingly enabling..." needs to be deconstructed. I think his letter takes a step in that direction.
Having said that though, more consideration needed to be given to his role in the Sandusky matter prior to inviting him out there. Imagine if some wingnut hater like Dan Bernstein got a hold of it......
And yes, of course, he's 4 years late. Better late than never, and kudos to those that made it happen.
Yes.
How "active" those partnerships were? That would be open for debate....but certainly financial partners in some ventures, including - IIRC - the Village at Penn State debacle.
Is ANY of that meaningful to the current situation? Again, that would be up for debate.
There is some truth to Mr. Heim's story. I truly do not believe that anyone really thought that JS was a pedophile. However, the staff of child welfare experts at TSM, especially when JS was indicated as a child abuser, certainly understood grooming & should have put a plan into action to isolate Jerry from all contact with children. Finally, Mr. Heim, I congratulate and thank you for publically speaking in support of JVP. I only regret that you did not offer this support almost 4 years ago.
Here's the problem: these kids weren't in Penn State's care. As harsh as it sounds, Penn State had no duty to these kids. The Penn State athletic department didn't have any obligation to understand how pedophiles operate and how to identify them.
On the other hand, The Second Mile had a legal duty to ensure that the kids in their care weren't harmed. They had a duty to keep an eye out for suspicious behavior and take measures to ensure kids were protected. FFS the head of the organization was a psychologist. Ignorance is not an excuse for Bruce Heim, Jack Raykovtiz or anyone else in a supervisory role at The Second Mile.
I've mentioned to many folks....this is a potential "silver lining" situation.
I am not aware of ANYONE who responded to this situation making a claim that Heim was a knowing Pedophile enabler. Heim wants to take that tack in order to evoke pity.....but it's largely a straw man argument.
I would also just say (and this is not directed at "Marshall23", but is a more general comment) - though it will likely fall on deaf ears: We all should be aware of the danger of "409ing" this situation.
The issues - the big issues - regarding holding TSM and others accountable are not "Rehabilitate JVP" issues.
Heim would like to - just as Corman did - shield himself in such a way as to make it seem that supporting him is analogous to supporting JVP. They know the emotions of the bulk of Penn Staters, and Heim - like Corman - will certainly try to cash in those chips. That is CLEARLY what his attempting to do with this letter.
"Rehabilitating JVP" is every bit a smokescreen ........as was the smokescreen ("Blame it on a football culture") that they used 4 years ago to cover their asses.
They know - or at least expect - that the "JVP" screen will cover a lot of blemishes among the PSU faithful.
