As long as he's paid per the terms of his contract, they can remove him (or anybody else) from his job whenever they like. He's not guaranteed a spot on the sideline by divine right.
More hush money will be paid...
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Maybe you wouldn't have physically restrained Sandusky if you weren't really sure about what you saw.
I agree. And FWIW I expect PSU to fold like a cheap suit. How much did MM make? Probably no more than $100k. 30 years of lost pay is $3 million. PSU has already rolled over and paid more than $100 million. What's another $3 million?
Exactly. All this folderol about what he said/she said, tell the truth, no matter how irritating it is that there are too many versions, is not really the crux of this case. AT ALL.
Thanks for making it clear and succinct. This morning people were on a bash MMQ tour, straying wildly from the actual case issues, (at least it seemed to me there was an MMQ bash party going on), so I just walked away.
Of course everyone wants MMQ to finally be able to speak. It's up to he and his atty to really work PSU and make it so he can. If they don't? Then I have an issue with them.
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No, it isn't. You have not acknowledged that Mike committed perjury.
You have also not acknowledged that you owe an apology for an entirely uncalled for harpy-like comment that I addressed you about today. I will not converse with you further until said apology occurs, whether or not you have valid points to discuss. Have a good evening!
If the rules governing prosecutorial misconduct were enforced in this matter, Sandusky would be at home watching TV.
Justice requires a "level playing field" for it to be attained. Political Correctness (PC) only requires media messages that are broadcast consistently enough to influence the public into coming to one promoted conclusion - the "Story". "Everything Penn State" has been judged based on these kinds of PC beliefs - not facts - not laws.
In this entire Sandusky matter, was there any reasonable attempt to seek BALANCED JUSTICE??? Any attempt to avoid contaminating testimony?? Any attempt to avoid collusion within different state agencies?? Any attempt to provide proper legal counsel???? NO...just come to conclusions based on the mis-information (tainted facts at best) that the OAG and the media provided. If you are honest, no matter what your thoughts are on Sandusky, the "trial" that "convicted" Sandusky was rigged!!
Look up the details of the Salem Witch Trials....strikingly similar - including how the public's fervor to protect "the kids" eliminated any possibility of justice.
Nelly, while I appreciate your contributions here, how many more posts of yours demanding an apology from someone who has offended you do we need to endure?
Well, for one, they didn't pay him per the terms, and two, whistleblower laws state what PSU did qualifies as retaliation and is not allowed even if they did pay him.
Could be.
But after personally meeting and speaking with so many in all this - people who would NEVER normally be in my social sphere: Local & State politicians, Child/Victim Advocates, Attorney Generals, Trustees, former Federal Prosecutors, PA media, etc - I can't underestimate the power of self interest, greed, political correctness, election points, inter & intra- departmental dysfunction, funding over fairness, personal agendas, petty vendettas & just flat out cowardice.
A swirling miasma of misplaced priorities that just fueled a crisis manufactured out of the OAG. The very office that is sworn to uphold the constitutional rights of those persons they torched.
It's just been such a huge eye opener on how bad things really are.
But hey - football.
Maybe somebody with more legal expertise can correct me if I am wrong but here is the way I understand it.
There is no hard requirement that the presentment is truthful. The only requirement is that the grand jurors, the judge, and the OAG office sign off on it. It is a document of what the OAG hopes to prove, not what is proven. Unfortunately, nobody in the media seems to understand this nor do they care. The presentment is considered legally moot once the indictment is handed down.
This is why most states have done away with the presentment. It is very easy for an AG to throw in little tidbits of untruthiness with no repercussions. The jurors are tired and just want to go home. They are not going to squabble about seems to them are minor details, so they just sign off on what the AG hands them. Then when the public gets their hands on it, they think every detail is like the word of God. It is a terrible system.
Think about this statement...."There is no hard requirement that the presentment is truthful."
Where in any law or legal process is this standard of justice - meaning the ability to accuse ANYONE of ANYTHING based on pure manufactured fantasy. When is it appropriate and enforced???? In America, I mean!!!
What you are pointing out is that the GJP is a CORRUPTION OF THE TRUTH - something that is CERTAINLY applicable in the "Penn State Scandal".
If the AG is held to that "non-standard" of justice, aren't we looking at Soviet Russia, central African Juntas, Germany 1938???? The issue you point out is that the process of the GJP is so EASY to corrupt, nearly every other state has dropped it.
In this instance, there can be no doubt that the AG's entire operations in this matter is a legal cesspool of deceit and a miscarriage of justice. Justice and the truth go hand-in-hand and it is that standard is what America USED to consider the cornerstone of our basic social fabric.
I suspect that PSU offered to pay the balance of MM's contract per the terms stated. MM would have been asked to sign a document saying that would be the final amount. He probably refused to sign because he wanted more. That's the only reason why PSU wouldn't have paid him.
He carried that burden for 10 years without a peep. I don't think it will affect his quality of life to remain silent as he seems quite adept at doing just that.
Of course it is. That's why its a completely valid suit and unrelated to what he actually told people.
I'm not sure that scenario advances the bot's sense of self worth and false narrative, and that seems to be all they care about. Look how many blatantly 'bad' decisions they have made at every opportunity.
Or, Mike (and his dad) didn't want to act in a way that might potentially compromise PSU Football (and Mike's coaching prospects) until he vetted what he believed he saw with Joe Paterno.
Mike has already shot that stupid theory down.
I see. So you are going with Option 1: The McQuearys are disgusting dirtbags who put football above the welfare of children. At least now we know who the bad guys are. Thanks for clarifying.
How was Paterno going to "vet" what MM told him? MM told his dad, Dranov, Joe, Curley, and Shultz. He either told them about sexual assault or else he told them about something less severe. Which was it? None of the 5 said that MM told them about sexual assault.
Since you're so concerned? TWO out of some 700. That's how many there are. Check it. Then go on with whatever else you do here. Thanks.
BTW "Nelly" is some rapper singer dude. I'm not a dude.
Seems like the right time to repeat my mantra... never contradicted by anyone...
Every single player in this scandal... MM, Dr. D, Mr. M, Dr. R, Joe, C/S/S, etc. etc. etc.... every single player inside and outside PSU and PSU football.... acted 100% consistent with "creepy weird situation that we need to make sure doesn't occur again"... and 100% inconsistent with "evil, dangerous, criminal situation that we need to cover up". The actions and evidence point to the former, none point to the latter.
Yet the world wants to believe the latter. Why? Because of dubious legal work by DAs and OAG, horrendous and cowardly leadership from PSU BOT in 2011, and a click bait media that wouldn't care less about kids, truth, or ruining innocent peoples' lives, as long as the story "moves forward" (to paraphrase Ganim).
This whole mess made no sense in Nov 2011 and makes even less sense 5 years later
"Truth and justice" ?
It's ALWAYS nothing more than a game. Which ever side plays it better wins. It's never been anything more or less than that. The goal ? "To win the game"
CSS were railroaded and Paterno was an unintended consequence. Corbett didn't play it very well........
I don't know if its funny or sad, but the only people I am 100% convinced belong in jail are Fina and Feudale.
Much of what your looking for around the contract and benefits status is in the exhibits of the original suit. In December 2008, MM and presumably the other assistants received a letter from Curley giving them compensation guarantees and benefits for up to 18 months following Joe's departure, if they were termed, other than for cause. There's also a letter MM received the day after the Nebraska game he couldn't coach in. The letter outlined that they're putting him on administrative leave, dictated he turn everything in with the exception of his ID card and parking permit.
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/med...E PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY COMPLAINT.pdf
Unfortunately, "...it is ALWAYS nothing more than a game..." is what has become our new American reality! Playing to win is not a crime...CHEATING TO WIN - that is or should be a crime and it is what we have been watching with Penn State. A "Win at all costs" mentality has caused us as a society to lose our souls in the process. What we have had revealed to us over the past 5+ years is how much of our American "soul" has been lost! We have "boiled the American frog" to the point of DEATH.
Bad situations like what we have seen can only provide positives if you understand what caused the problems and then work on how to correct them. We have seen what happens when 21st century political corruption infiltrates, and then utilizes, a non-transparent University legal management structure - the Executive BOT.
Why?....A $4B annual budget is too big a $$$ pool to remain "unexploited" by politicians today - it is just the nature of the political beast. So what we SHOULD have learned is we need to "take back" the running of the University from its highly politically, politically integrated current structure and replace it with a PRACTICAL implementation which is not as easily absorbed/controlled by state politics. Its that simple....yet its that painfully difficult. Bottom line....CHANGE IS NEEDED and needed fast!
Believe me, Penn State only knows about this issue of legal hi-jacking through the "generosity" of a PA State/NCAA/Media collusion over the past 5+ years. We are not alone. I can assure you that OTHER state universities where there is a historically structured political component (along with numerous other public institutions) have the same cancer.
Football had nothing to do with it.
Sandusky's status in the community was that of a legend and a saint. Not to mention the political ties of TSM.
Everyone here, myself included, are disgusted and furious about TSM not coming under an ounce of criticism, let alone investigated. They've been protected.
Is it really a stretch to allow for the possibility that C/S/S were told it was something sexual, not rape, by MM and decided to kick it to TSM to avoid a political nightmare? By nightmare I mean embarrass influential people with some connection to TSM.
I won't go any further into it (as I have in the past) because I'm in the minority and don't feel like going 20 rounds.
I am certain the "protecting football" narrative is a red herring.
This is ridiculous.
I'm honestly not trying to belittle you. It's just nonsensical when you examine it.
Since day 1 I've always said that MM is either one of two things, he is either a) a coward, or b) a liar. It's one of the two.
IF he is telling the truth, then he is the world's biggest coward. Back in 2001/2002 he would have been about a 28-30 year old guy who was 6'4" and about 230 lbs. Just 5-6 years removed from being a D1 Quarterback, and still in great physical shape.... Sandusky was a 60 year old man about 4" smaller and 50 lbs lighter than McQuery. ... IF he is telling despite this overwhelming age & size advantage he allowed a 10 year old boy to be raped..... IF he is telling the truth that makes him a coward.
IF he is NOT telling the truth, then he is about the most despicable liar on the face of the earth. IF he is not telling the truth, then his lies are about a boy being raped, his lies helped devastate a University, his lies helped destroy the image and reputation of a legendary man, and his lies hurt countless people .... IF he is not telling the truth.
It's one or the other. The only "middle ground" is if MM is not exactly sure what he say and he is making what he believes to be a logical jump to assumption. But IMO you do not take that assumption when the stakes are this high.
Either way you slice it, MM is not a good guy.
It was all in his head. I've thought that from early on. There's often a huge distinction between what people think they see/heard and what was real.
You could record the sound of sex in a certain position, the sound of the palms of a hand slapping wet tiles and the sound of snapping damp towels, then ask what each of those sounds represent. There'd be a lot of different answers, I think, yet McQ immediately assumed a sexual act. He kept bringing up the slapping sounds to Dranov and J. McQ.
Said the anonymous message board dude posting at 4:13 in the morning.
Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer got a year in the big house for not helping the guy who was getting robbed, yet this guy expects a payday. Not fair.
