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No, if Michigan is banned from post-season, they don't play in Big Ten Championship. Which means OSU or PSU does. That winner absolutely would go to the CFP. The only way the SEC gets 2 in would be with an undefeated champion (Georgia) and a one loss other team. But that team would have to come from the East because otherwise they'd lose to UGA in the champioship game. Only candiate would be Missouri....LOL.
if osu lost to Michigan, the cfp won't rank them top 4
 
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Fox suing for damages relating to Michigan getting punished for violating league by laws is laughable.

Maybe the Ann Arbor chamber of commerce can too.
any punishment levied without a full investigation would certainly be grounds for an injunction by several petitioners..i'm not talking about going to court, i'm talking about filing paperwork that will judicially block a ban and delay any proceedings till next year..this is basic law bro
 
if osu lost to Michigan, the cfp won't rank them top 4
Ohio State is 1 right now...even losing to Michigan they can get in at 11-1--that's why it's important to play someone like ND in non-conference play. A 1-loss Ohio State is going to be ahead of any other 1-loss team other than maybe Georgia or Oregon.
 
Ohio State is 1 right now...even losing to Michigan they can get in at 11-1--that's why it's important to play someone like ND in non-conference play. A 1-loss Ohio State is going to be ahead of any other 1-loss team other than maybe Georgia or Oregon.
possible, but would hinge on how bad they lose, and what happens with the rest of the one loss teams..you could have fsu undefeated, oregon with one loss at UW that they should have won, one loss alabama beating an unbeaten UGA..lots of permutations to keep the bucks out..
 
Does he need to?
No, why would he? Unless they can tie him into Federal Gambling charges, (in no way am I implying that he was) and that’s even a stretch. He doesn’t face severe punishment. And I’m positive that if continues to fall on his sword for UM very wealthy alums with no concept of right vs wrong will provide him very lucrative future employment. Read this thread, to some people he’s a modern day Robin Hood. But he has that steal from the rich for the poor concept reversed.
 
possible, but would hinge on how bad they lose, and what happens with the rest of the one loss teams..you could have fsu undefeated, oregon with one loss at UW that they should have won, one loss alabama beating an unbeaten UGA..lots of permutations to keep the bucks out..
And it's unlikely all of that happens...obviously not impossible but unlikely.
 
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any punishment levied without a full investigation would certainly be grounds for an injunction by several petitioners..i'm not talking about going to court, i'm talking about filing paperwork that will judicially block a ban and delay any proceedings till next year..this is basic law bro

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Mel Tucker was suspended within 24 hours of allegations leaking. No full investigation done in that time period. No lawsuit from Fox for weakening a team by suspending a head coach pending an investigation. He went from suspended to fired in less than 3 weeks. I'm not sure how long you think a "full investigation" needs to take but one has already happened in the conference this season and it took 17 or so days from when it became public.

The conference revenues and ratings grew exponentially while Michigan was not winning championships from 2005-2020, they'll be fine without Michigan winning championships moving forward. You should just go back to MGoBlog and enjoy what is likely to be Michigan's last couple weeks of relevancy for a little while.

You think Fox's contract with the Big Ten precludes the conference from being able to enforce their own rules pending a financial impact review. Delusional.
 
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Mel Tucker was suspended within 24 hours of allegations leaking. No full investigation done in that time period. No lawsuit from Fox for weakening a team by suspending a head coach pending an investigation. He went from suspended to fired in less than 3 weeks. I'm not sure how long you think a "full investigation" needs to take but one has already happened in the conference this season and it took 17 or so days from when it became public.

The conference revenues and ratings grew exponentially while Michigan was not winning championships from 2005-2020, they'll be fine without Michigan winning championships moving forward. You should just go back to MGoBlog and enjoy what is likely to be Michigan's last couple weeks of relevancy for a little while.

You think Fox's contract with the Big Ten precludes the conference from being able to enforce their own rules pending a financial impact review. Delusional.
mel tugger was suspended by msu, not the big ten, huge difference..that's why pettiti "asked" ono to suspend harbaugh 2 games today..pettiti is a lawyer, he knows if he suspends harbaugh UM will be on the phone to a judge within 30 minutes..multiple sources, pettiti asked, and ono said no
 
mel tugger was suspended by msu, not the big ten, huge difference..that's why pettiti "asked" ono to suspend harbaugh 2 games today..pettiti is a lawyer, he knows if he suspends harbaugh UM will be on the phone to a judge within 30 minutes..multiple sources, pettiti asked, and ono said no

I'm aware of who suspended him. The impact on the network is the same regardless. If you somehow think Fox is fine if Ono suspends Harbaugh but is going to sue the conference if Petitti (at least spell his damn name correctly) does it then you're just not reasonable. Michigan can also leave the conference but we know that's not going to happen.

You do know Petitti has the authority to suspend Harbaugh for two games. Michigan gave him that authority.
 
if osu lost to Michigan, the cfp won't rank them top 4
They already have, last year. Do you just randomly throw out nuggets like this because you like to read your own stuff or do just not comprehend how this stuff works?

he knows if he suspends harbaugh UM will be on the phone to a judge within 30 minutes

Saying what? "Jim deserves to finish out the season your honor? Thousands of Wolverine fans are on message boards proclaims nothing was gonna happen and that Big Blue is gonna win it all! Help us!"

There is nothing to protect here. Jim oversaw and utilized broken rules to cheat and gain an advantage over every team he was scheduled to play and multiple that he might face later. You have no answer for that but "lawyers will fix it" hoping, probably casting spells with the devil at midnight with blood that you can just win a title before "full investigation is finished". A full investigation isn't required when the evidence is bad.
 
Be more specific so we can respect you if you’re right or call you an idiot like Lando if you’re not.
When am I wrong? Lol
And I've never claimed to have inside information just because I'm reading boards and Twitter (or X whatever it is) and think something will happen.
 
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They already have, last year. Do you just randomly throw out nuggets like this because you like to read your own stuff or do just not comprehend how this stuff works?



Saying what? "Jim deserves to finish out the season your honor? Thousands of Wolverine fans are on message boards proclaims nothing was gonna happen and that Big Blue is gonna win it all! Help us!"

There is nothing to protect here. Jim oversaw and utilized broken rules to cheat and gain an advantage over every team he was scheduled to play and multiple that he might face later. You have no answer for that but "lawyers will fix it" hoping, probably casting spells with the devil at midnight with blood that you can just win a title before "full investigation is finished". A full investigation isn't required when the evidence is bad.

He must have used chicken blood and the spell didn’t work. Nervous blood makes for bad spells.
 
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When am I wrong? Lol
And I've never claimed to have inside information just because I'm reading boards and Twitter (or X whatever it is) and think something will happen.

Christ you’re a narcissist.

You absolutely died on the h2h not being a CFP criteria hill despite it being listed on their website and easily verifiable.
 
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Christ you’re a narcissist.

You absolutely died on the h2h not being a CFP criteria hill despite it being listed on their website and easily verifiable.
See the first rankings with Texas ahead OU
It's only included IF the two teams are comparable which is what I said. Penn State and Ohio State were not deemed comparable because we had 2 losses.
 
See the first rankings with Texas ahead OU
It's only included IF the two teams are comparable which is what I said. Penn State and Ohio State were not deemed comparable because we had 2 losses.

No, you said it wasn’t part of their criteria.

Like I said you’re a narcissist. Narcissists are incapable of admitting fault, no matter how trivial.
 
No, you said it wasn’t part of their criteria.

Like I said you’re a narcissist. Narcissists are incapable of admitting fault, no matter how trivial.
I have to find the thread--I'll take a look later
I typically admit when I was wrong. See me thinking we would beat Ohio State.
 
I have to find the thread--I'll take a look later
I typically admit when I was wrong. See me thinking we would beat Ohio State.

Clemson had zero quality wins. Bama and Tennessee should have been ahead of them
I mean, that South Carolina loss was really bad though I agree
H2H isn't a think though--the committee said repeatedly in the past it's not part of the consideration--should it be? maybe but I don't think Purdue beating Illinois makes them better than them. I don't think Oregon State is better than Oregon but they were yesterday. Same with A&M and LSU.

Pretty definitive. Like I said you're incapable of admitting you're wrong, you just try to add some sort of qualifier after the fact, ie "when they're equal" as if that was your point all along. No time for narcissists. Don't bother responding.
 
Pretty definitive. Like I said you're incapable of admitting you're wrong, you just try to add some sort of qualifier after the fact, ie "when they're equal" as if that was your point all along. No time for narcissists. Don't bother responding.
Not sure why you think it's narcistic. Clearly I was wrong there and own that.
You're the person that brought me into a conversation for zero reason but keep crying
 
Not sure why you think it's narcistic. Clearly I was wrong there and own that.
You're the person that brought me into a conversation for zero reason but keep crying

I brought you into the conversation because you’re a sore subject for the guy I was responding to.

Its narcissistic because it’s a narcissistic personality trait.
 
I'm aware of who suspended him. The impact on the network is the same regardless. If you somehow think Fox is fine if Ono suspends Harbaugh but is going to sue the conference if Petitti (at least spell his damn name correctly) does it then you're just not reasonable. Michigan can also leave the conference but we know that's not going to happen.

You do know Petitti has the authority to suspend Harbaugh for two games. Michigan gave him that authority.
if you knew, why even bring tugger up?..you do know that the tv rights deal is with the conference, not each team, yes?..meaning, if a party to the contract willfully, knowingly and without merit does something to diminish the value of the tv contract, there is clear grounds not only to get an injunction for immediate relief, but also grounds for a restraint of trade lawsuit by Fox..yes, pettiti can suspend for two games, duh, but why didn't he?..why ask ono to suspend?..because a school doing it would immunize the conference..this is basic law, you should at least google before looking stupid..and no, competitor coaches crying for their binky does not qualify as a merit based reason..
 
They already have, last year. Do you just randomly throw out nuggets like this because you like to read your own stuff or do just not comprehend how this stuff works?



Saying what? "Jim deserves to finish out the season your honor? Thousands of Wolverine fans are on message boards proclaims nothing was gonna happen and that Big Blue is gonna win it all! Help us!"

There is nothing to protect here. Jim oversaw and utilized broken rules to cheat and gain an advantage over every team he was scheduled to play and multiple that he might face later. You have no answer for that but "lawyers will fix it" hoping, probably casting spells with the devil at midnight with blood that you can just win a title before "full investigation is finished". A full investigation isn't required when the evidence is bad.
wow, you are a dummy...osu had the fortune of usc losing unexpectedly...the landscape is different this year vis a vis teams with the record and path to the cfp..an immediate injunction for violation JH's due process...the commish can't just suspend without clear evidence, as opposed to a howling mob of crybaby coaches...say a coach gets arrested, or is caught on a hot mic dropping the N word..that would be reason for a commish to step in if a school didn't suspend...name one instance where any commish suspended a coach without either a "clear" reason, or without a school suspending first...
 
wow, you are a dummy...osu had the fortune of usc losing unexpectedly...the landscape is different this year vis a vis teams with the record and path to the cfp..an immediate injunction for violation JH's due process...the commish can't just suspend without clear evidence, as opposed to a howling mob of crybaby coaches...say a coach gets arrested, or is caught on a hot mic dropping the N word..that would be reason for a commish to step in if a school didn't suspend...name one instance where any commish suspended a coach without either a "clear" reason, or without a school suspending first...
If have just illustrated the problem with the whole legal system. Because of due process etc. etc. , it moves so slowly, it is of little practical use. Other than to enrich lawyers.
 
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If have just illustrated the problem with the whole legal system. Because of due process etc. etc. , it moves so slowly, it is of little practical use. Other than to enrich lawyers.
i agree, and have just been trying to tamp down the foolish ideas on here that something will happen immediately...yes, fans and coaches are mad, that doesn't mean that your sense of how the real world works should just go out the window.
 
wow, you are a dummy...osu had the fortune of usc losing unexpectedly...the landscape is different this year vis a vis teams with the record and path to the cfp..an immediate injunction for violation JH's due process...the commish can't just suspend without clear evidence, as opposed to a howling mob of crybaby coaches...say a coach gets arrested, or is caught on a hot mic dropping the N word..that would be reason for a commish to step in if a school didn't suspend...name one instance where any commish suspended a coach without either a "clear" reason, or without a school suspending first...

Ignoring the short term for a second and your fever dream of a Michigan alum on the bench issuing an 11th hour temporary injunction…

What do you think happens to Jim and Michigan once it’s all said and done? Nothing?
 
If have just illustrated the problem with the whole legal system. Because of due process etc. etc. , it moves so slowly, it is of little practical use. Other than to enrich lawyers.
The huge fallacy of this discussion is that due process is mandated for governmental legal proceedings. The school is not fully bound by that and can dismiss coaches for violating various contract clauses like morals clauses. If they deem the evidence so far brought forth as substantial they can either immediately suspend or dismiss the perpetrators.

They could even file lawsuits against the perps for any real or perceived damages. Which they should consider.
 
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wow, you are a dummy...osu had the fortune of usc losing unexpectedly...the landscape is different this year vis a vis teams with the record and path to the cfp..an immediate injunction for violation JH's due process...the commish can't just suspend without clear evidence, as opposed to a howling mob of crybaby coaches...say a coach gets arrested, or is caught on a hot mic dropping the N word..that would be reason for a commish to step in if a school didn't suspend...name one instance where any commish suspended a coach without either a "clear" reason, or without a school suspending first...

But this. But that. OSU got in last year with 1 loss and no conference title. End of story. You can't keep throwing out buts.

I'm not on here anywhere saying anything will happen quick. Search it.

You keep saying due process. This isn't federal or state crimes. It's sports cheating. If anybody does anything, Jimmah can lay down and take it. No judge is stepping in because nobody will do anything unless they are certain of what they have.

Keep sliding. You came here weeks ago "no evidence". Then they suspended the guy. Then he "resigned". Now it's "Jimmy's due process". You look like a giant PoS defending this at every turn. Are you on payroll to infiltrate boards and argue these narratives or are you just a sociopath who's only concern is Michigan winning at all costs?

I believe I know the answer. No need to open your mouth further.
 
If they suspended Harbaugh with pay while investigating there's really not much he can do. They'll still pay him.
 
i agree, and have just been trying to tamp down the foolish ideas on here that something will happen immediately...yes, fans and coaches are mad, that doesn't mean that your sense of how the real world works should just go out the window.
Seeking due process is admirable if it is pursued for reasons of fundamental fairness. You unfortunately desire it solely because it provides a cheating program an opportunity to win a National Championship. And that is sad and perverted. A true Walmart Michigan Man.
 
Clever how it's worded Hairball never told him to do it - that's quite different than saying Hairball never knew what he was doing.....
So it wasn’t Jim’s idea to conceive the conspiracy he just became a willing co-conspirator. Well that pretty much absolves Jim and clarifies things. I’m satisfied, how about you guys?
 
This question has been batted around on this and the previous forum for YEARS. Many of the B10 acolytes have moved on but we were bombarded with how great this conference is for library sharing or some esoteric nonsense. Funny that now that things are getting hot for them UMich is asking the same questions. Welcome to our world.
according to some, you join the conference so you can be in the book sharing club, and this has benefits worth zillions of dollars
 
Like joining a fraternity because they have years of past test questions for every class on campus.
Not just a frat thing. I had an ee test one time that was the exact test a roommate had. Studying old tests was actually a good study method.
 
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