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Most dominant PA high school wrestler ever?

Who is the most dominant PA high school wrestler ever?

  • Cary Kolat

    Votes: 98 49.5%
  • Chance Marstellar

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Spencer Lee

    Votes: 72 36.4%
  • Joey Wildasin

    Votes: 6 3.0%
  • Other (please specify)

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Total voters
    198
Jimmy Carr's only 2 losses in PIAA high school folkstyle matches were both in the NW Regional Tournament absolutely had everything to do with the vagaries of how "folkstyle" is officiated most especially tactics to effectively shorten the match to the last two periods and eliminate the most important period - the neutral period - relative to the "traditional rules" of wrestling. In the Spring of 1972, Carr lost to Henry Green in OT (6-5) largely because Green used tactics to eliminate Carr's massive advantage in neutral (and was permitted to do so by the officiating). In the Olympic Trials held the summer before, Carr beat 2 NCAA Champions en-route to winning his weight class at the Olympic Trials....As the link that Cary Kolat put up on his website and Carr's victory over Roman Dmitriyev demonstrates, Carr could takedown the absolute best in the world who were mid-20s when he was 15 and 16....except for PIAA schoolboy wrestlers......uuuummmmm yea, okay....sure - maybe it had more to do with the fact that they wrestled the edge when in neutral and immediately backed OB whenever Carr attacked? (looking to shorten the match to the "mat rounds" and eliminating the most important period - neutral - relative to "real wrestling" rules).
 
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Jimmy Carr also beat Roman Dmitriyev in a U.S. Team vs Russian Team match while still in high school. The Roman Dmitriyev who won the Gold Medal in 1972 Olympics and the Silver in 1976 Olympics - hit THIS LINK.

Jimmy Carr also wrestled Dmitriyev to a draw the year before in June 1973 just days before completing his Junior Year of high school (Roman Dmitriyev was the reigning Olympic Gold Medalist at the time of this bout in June 1973). The 1973 US-Russia Meet took place in New York City at MSG's Felt Forum. Here's THE LINK if you don't believe me.
 
the Pirates are missing in the standings... Dock Ellis has a losing record...
Indeed: Only five teams in the National league east, with EVERY ONE OF THEM trailing in the standings....

HInt: I know how it ends: the mets win that division.
 
Indeed: Only five teams in the National league east, with EVERY ONE OF THEM trailing in the standings....

HInt: I know how it ends: the mets win that division.
Dock was being Dock... Cleon Jones, Rusty Staub, Willie Mays was old that year...
 
Any discussion of "Most dominant Pa HS wrestler" that doesn't include Wade Schalles is flawed. Especially if your metric is dominance in the state tournament. Schalles reputedly "pinned everyone" on his way to a state championship.
http://hubpages.com/sports/wade-schalles-the-best-wrestler-you-probably-dont-know

as a 10thgrader at Hollidaysburg high I got to watch wade schalles wrestle his senior year. almost 50 years ago so pardon if I misremember something. during the season I think he pinned everyone he wrestled. he had this thing that if someone came out and straight up wrestled him, he would just pin the kid and get it over with. but if the kid would run from him, when wade caught him, he would put the kid in holds that none of us had ever seen and make the kid flop around like a dying fish before pinning him. during the tournament he didn't pin everyone. the title match he wrestled a kid who hadn't lost since he was 5 years old and that was to his dad so the story went. wade was losing but got the kid in some hold and flipped the kid on his back and pinned him. maybe his hs career wasn't the greatest but that one year was awesome. he also had a great college and international career.

as a senior we had dan brenneman as a state champ. dan had a successful career wrestling for penn state. during senior year of high school I wrestled dan in gym class. I'm proud to say I lasted longest (maybe 20 seconds!) before getting pinned. although I do think dan took it easy on me.
 
as a 10thgrader at Hollidaysburg high I got to watch wade schalles wrestle his senior year. almost 50 years ago so pardon if I misremember something. during the season I think he pinned everyone he wrestled. he had this thing that if someone came out and straight up wrestled him, he would just pin the kid and get it over with. but if the kid would run from him, when wade caught him, he would put the kid in holds that none of us had ever seen and make the kid flop around like a dying fish before pinning him. during the tournament he didn't pin everyone. the title match he wrestled a kid who hadn't lost since he was 5 years old and that was to his dad so the story went. wade was losing but got the kid in some hold and flipped the kid on his back and pinned him. maybe his hs career wasn't the greatest but that one year was awesome. he also had a great college and international career.

as a senior we had dan brenneman as a state champ. dan had a successful career wrestling for penn state. during senior year of high school I wrestled dan in gym class. I'm proud to say I lasted longest (maybe 20 seconds!) before getting pinned. although I do think dan took it easy on me.

I love stories like this!!
 
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...interestingly, 4 kids from that 1968 bracket ended up at Penn State...

...Clearfield's Norm Palovsik, Easton's Barry Snyder. UD's Andy Matter and Dieruff's Dan Newhard...
 
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It depends on what you mean by dominant. If you are talking strictly HS matches, I would say it was Cary Kolat. However if you're talking about dominant in terms of the ability to compete at any level, I don't know of any other PA HS wrestler who has matched Jimmy Carr. He entered the Midlands tournament as a senior in HS and beat the defending D1 NCAA champion in the finals! Even Kolat didn't do that.

Also made the US Olympic Team as a Jr in high school...
 
Do you all think Spencer would finish on the podium at nationals? Also, I'd put him right up with there with anyone in terms of being punishing pound for pound. He is both slick and a hammer. He annihilates kids from the top position and is brutal with his bar and half series.

No, I don't think Spencer would finish at the top of the podium at nationals right now. Could he? Maybe. Would he? Probably not without a full year of wrestling at the NCAA level.

On the podium? Yeah, probably.
 
Which leads me to ask: How big is the gap between Spencer Lee and Daton Fix? I know InterMat has Lee as only the #2 overall recruit in this year's class behind Fix. Will Lee be wrestling 125 at Iowa? Fix 133 @ OK ST?
 
Which leads me to ask: How big is the gap between Spencer Lee and Daton Fix? I know InterMat has Lee as only the #2 overall recruit in this year's class behind Fix. Will Lee be wrestling 125 at Iowa? Fix 133 @ OK ST?
We'll find out at Dapper Dan.

You're probably right about the college weights.
 
Which leads me to ask: How big is the gap between Spencer Lee and Daton Fix? I know InterMat has Lee as only the #2 overall recruit in this year's class behind Fix. Will Lee be wrestling 125 at Iowa? Fix 133 @ OK ST?
We'll find out at Dapper Dan.

You're probably right about the college weights.
Just read back through all of that....what a great thread!
 
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Marstellar had several regular decisions in his freshman year run and multiple major decisions over the course of the next three years.

Cary Kolat had two regular decisions. One was his first match of states his freshman year, a 12-6 decision. The second was when he was ridden the entire second period by Lewisburg wrestler Joel Toretti. I remember the crowd giving Toretti a standing ovation for doing so. Final score was 12-7 there.

As far as Ty Moore goes, he had a fantastic career (146-1), but probably not in consideration for most dominant or best ever considering he had 6 regular decisions in his 4 state championships. His 10th grade year he had all decisions on his way to the title, 10-3, 2-1, 2-0 and 4-0. He also won 4-3 in the finals his junior year over Brad Silimperi and had one loss going into states that year to Jeff Stepanic in the WPIAL finals.

Joey Wildasin was 132-1 in his career and was a 3-time champ. He lost in the finals his freshman year. He had two regular decisions as a sophomore, 9-8 in the semis and 11-7 in the finals. He had one regular decision in the semis his senior year.

From where I am sitting, what Spencer has been able to do at this point in his career is more dominant than any of the aforementioned wrestlers. Cary Kolat would be a close second with only 2 regular decisions in 4 years.
Also it should be taken into account that Spencer Lee has won some rather easy weight classes in Pa. Ty Moore Cary Kolat etc. Had less people running from their specific weight class. The best competition Lee has faced in the Piaa state tournament pales in comparison to Ty Moore and Cary Kolats competition.
 
Also it should be taken into account that Spencer Lee has won some rather easy weight classes in Pa. Ty Moore Cary Kolat etc. Had less people running from their specific weight class. The best competition Lee has faced in the Piaa state tournament pales in comparison to Ty Moore and Cary Kolats competition.
Pales in comparison ... how many of these guys were that superior to Sasso and DeSanto?

Kolat:
- 1989: Bob Abrams, Chris Waterman, Tom Edwards, Tony Owens
- 1990: Luke Clutter, Jack Grandy, Matt Beaujon, Jim Meckley
- 1991: Tony Lupino, Joel Torretti, David Moore, Greg Budman
- 1992: Craig Reichart, Brad Rowe, Joel Brinker, Chris Bohn

Moore:
- 1987: Pete Valeri, Rob Prebish, Pat Tocci, Brad Silimperi
- 1988: Mark Weindorf, Tocci, Mike Recker, Rob Weis
- 1989: Pete Rinella, Mark Eckenrode, Tim Queen, Silimperi
- 1990: Joe Ierubino, Jacob SImmons, Ryan Nunamaker, Rian Youwakim
 
I personally saw Kolat do his back flip at Hershey ,who I feel was the best wrestler I saw a few times at states. I saw Kortnick almost ripped Northampton's Smith arms out his sockets in state finals. He was the most physical wrestler I saw in person. I will qualify the next 3 wrestlers are the best I saw in person on a regular basis here in District 11. The most physical wrestler I saw locally was probably Christian Luciano from Northampton. He was built like a Greek god, and Rohn taught him cement mixer . It was brutal watching him snap it. Jack Cuvo was the most dominant, nobody could touch him from his feet. He didn't wrestle much on mat. The best all around wrestler I saw was Jordan Oliver. He had all the tools. Should of won 3 Nationals. Went up 2 weight classes his senior year and won title.
 
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I don't follow PIAA like I used to, but I will say this about Kolat, the aura around him in the pre-instant/social media age was insane. In the 1990 final against Jimmy Meckley, Kolat was taken down early and not only called a time out, but was given one by the ref. Not because he was hurt, (despite what the PCN announcers said) not because there was something wrong (although Cary did make a show of removing the headgear and looking at it), just because he could. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He was a god to both the wrestlers and adults. He could have held out his hand and the ref would have knelt and kissed the ring.

Not that it mattered, Meckley promptly cur Kolat loose and let the inevitable destruction to begin, albeit a few seconds later than scheduled.
 
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